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  • S starcraft4ever

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E8xUXkpWNk&mode=related&search=[^]

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    Lost User
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    The only reason Windows crashes is because of shity third party drivers. If Mac was as popular as Windows it wold have the same problem.

    Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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      The only reason Windows crashes is because of shity third party drivers. If Mac was as popular as Windows it wold have the same problem.

      Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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      Christian Graus
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      ain't it the truth ?

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        The only reason Windows crashes is because of shity third party drivers. If Mac was as popular as Windows it wold have the same problem.

        Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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        Totally agree. Windows is instable because applications not doing what they are supposed to do, usually corrupting memory that not belong to the process, also is Windows fault for not been protected as it should be, although from Windows 2000 everything changed a lot. So far what I know in Windows XP 64 all drivers run on user mode, if that is true I'm wondering if on Windows Vista all drivers will be running at user mode or some of them will keep running at kernel mode as for example the video drivers.

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          The only reason Windows crashes is because of shity third party drivers. If Mac was as popular as Windows it wold have the same problem.

          Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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          If Mac OS X was as popular as Windows, they would still not have a hardware problem because Apple *controls* the hardware. Microsoft does not have that option. It is not an "apples to apples" comparison. The only thing one needs to do on a PC is to stay with reputed manufacturers. Thomas

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            Totally agree. Windows is instable because applications not doing what they are supposed to do, usually corrupting memory that not belong to the process, also is Windows fault for not been protected as it should be, although from Windows 2000 everything changed a lot. So far what I know in Windows XP 64 all drivers run on user mode, if that is true I'm wondering if on Windows Vista all drivers will be running at user mode or some of them will keep running at kernel mode as for example the video drivers.

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            Lets not even mention the DOS based windows, just the NT based ones, NT4, 2K, XP, 2003, Vista. XP 64 (version 5.2, same as Sserver 2003) doesn not have user mode drivers, it is the same as all NT systems after NT 3.5, all drivers run in the kernel. Vista has user mode drivers though, which will be slower, but wont kill the system when they break.

            Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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              If Mac OS X was as popular as Windows, they would still not have a hardware problem because Apple *controls* the hardware. Microsoft does not have that option. It is not an "apples to apples" comparison. The only thing one needs to do on a PC is to stay with reputed manufacturers. Thomas

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              Thomas George wrote:

              Apple *controls* the hardware

              In the same way IBM controlled the hardware till Compaq came along?

              Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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                Thomas George wrote:

                Apple *controls* the hardware

                In the same way IBM controlled the hardware till Compaq came along?

                Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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                Apple does not license Mac OS X to be run on any other hardware. Windows never did that. They made it clear when asked about running Intel processor OS X on PCs.

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                  Apple does not license Mac OS X to be run on any other hardware. Windows never did that. They made it clear when asked about running Intel processor OS X on PCs.

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                  Thomas George wrote:

                  Apple does not license Mac OS X

                  Sure, and Microsoft only license their SW for one installation.

                  Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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                    Thomas George wrote:

                    Apple *controls* the hardware

                    In the same way IBM controlled the hardware till Compaq came along?

                    Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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                    R Giskard Reventlov
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                    Indeed: do you recall MCA Architecture? An excellent technology that IBM came up with. Recall being taken on a tour of the production line in Greenock many years ago. Never heard of it? Hardly surprising; went the same way as BetaMax. BetaWho??? Exactly. :-)

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                      Thomas George wrote:

                      Apple does not license Mac OS X

                      Sure, and Microsoft only license their SW for one installation.

                      Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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                      I am not sure what you are saying. Are all the people complaining about BSODs running illegal versions of software? Apple makes hardware, and sells an operating system for it. Microsoft makes an Operating system that can run on computers made to a certain open standard. They have to deal with all the hardware -- including chipsets, disk controllers and the like, which OS X does not have to deal with. The closed hardware is one of the reasons why OS X does not have mass appeal. It is not easy to pirate it. I mean, if you are pirating it, you already have an Apple computer. Thomas

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                      • R R Giskard Reventlov

                        Indeed: do you recall MCA Architecture? An excellent technology that IBM came up with. Recall being taken on a tour of the production line in Greenock many years ago. Never heard of it? Hardly surprising; went the same way as BetaMax. BetaWho??? Exactly. :-)

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                        Sure Ive heard of MCA. It was good. Very good, but proprietary, and no one else bought into it and it died.

                        Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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                          Sure Ive heard of MCA. It was good. Very good, but proprietary, and no one else bought into it and it died.

                          Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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                          R Giskard Reventlov
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                          No one else was offered the chance to buy in. IBM took the proprietary position and it died: they would not licence it out nor allow any others to produce hardware for it. Dumb as a dumb person in a dumb finder competition being judged by dumb people. And it was bloody good: unlimited address space so no 64k page limits: cried out for CP/M for Windows :-)

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                            The only reason Windows crashes is because of shity third party drivers. If Mac was as popular as Windows it wold have the same problem.

                            Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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                            Diego Moita
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                            I can't understand why people voted you down; it is a very coherent argument and since this is a programmer's site people should have known that. Geez, I had Oracle 9.0 client command line crashing under Linux! Bugs happen! That's why lots of software is now release in an eternal "Beta" stage.:)


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                              I can't understand why people voted you down; it is a very coherent argument and since this is a programmer's site people should have known that. Geez, I had Oracle 9.0 client command line crashing under Linux! Bugs happen! That's why lots of software is now release in an eternal "Beta" stage.:)


                              'My country, right or wrong' is a thing no patriot would ever think of saying except in a desperate case. It is like saying 'My mother, drunk or sober.'
                              GK Chesterton

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                              Diego Moita wrote:

                              I can't understand why people voted you down

                              Because I defended Windows.

                              Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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                                The only reason Windows crashes is because of shity third party drivers. If Mac was as popular as Windows it wold have the same problem.

                                Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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                                I would like to see a better model from microsoft though. If they had a better system for drivers then the drivers written for 98 could still be used and the teams could focus on improving them.

                                Brad Australian - Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript" A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.

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                                  The only reason Windows crashes is because of shity third party drivers. If Mac was as popular as Windows it wold have the same problem.

                                  Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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                                  fat_boy wrote:

                                  If Mac was as popular as Windows it wold have the same problem.

                                  Of course, what you really meant to say was... "If the Mac had twenty billion fucking combinations of hardware like the PC does, it would have the same problem." The Mac isn't near as big of a moving target as the PC is.

                                  "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                                    fat_boy wrote:

                                    If Mac was as popular as Windows it wold have the same problem.

                                    Of course, what you really meant to say was... "If the Mac had twenty billion fucking combinations of hardware like the PC does, it would have the same problem." The Mac isn't near as big of a moving target as the PC is.

                                    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                                    "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                                    and cheap shitty made hardware at that.

                                    Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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