So - was he Muslim?
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A family friend, who didn't want to be identified, told us Talovic's upbringing may have played a role. He was a Muslim-Bosnian, born in war-torn Bosnia. Talovic has lived in Utah for the past several years. He dropped out of high school in 2004.[^]
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
So if a Muslim commits a crime for which Fox news doesnt state a motive, it must be Jihad related and its because of those bloody lefties in the media that they wont publish the motive? Talk about damned if you do damned if you dont. And your solution is to carry a gun? Its no wonder people laugh at the paranoia in the US
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So if a Muslim commits a crime for which Fox news doesnt state a motive, it must be Jihad related and its because of those bloody lefties in the media that they wont publish the motive? Talk about damned if you do damned if you dont. And your solution is to carry a gun? Its no wonder people laugh at the paranoia in the US
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So if Josh Gray opens one of its mouths does that mean that people are going to listen to any of them ramble? Perhaps it types with its 13 fingers and types non-sense and then I vote 1 on its message.
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So if a Muslim commits a crime for which Fox news doesnt state a motive, it must be Jihad related and its because of those bloody lefties in the media that they wont publish the motive? Talk about damned if you do damned if you dont. And your solution is to carry a gun? Its no wonder people laugh at the paranoia in the US
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Josh Gray wrote:
And your solution is to carry a gun?
which happens to be the only reason why there were not more deaths in the mall terrorism incident. So, yes.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Josh Gray wrote:
And your solution is to carry a gun?
which happens to be the only reason why there were not more deaths in the mall terrorism incident. So, yes.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
which happens to be the only reason why there were not more deaths in the mall terrorism incident.
terrorism? Geez i could fart terrorism by your definition :) I thought a cop shot him not a private citizen?
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
which happens to be the only reason why there were not more deaths in the mall terrorism incident.
terrorism? Geez i could fart terrorism by your definition :) I thought a cop shot him not a private citizen?
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Josh Gray wrote:
I thought a cop shot him not a private citizen?
An off duty Cop who happened to be carrying his weapon...
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
which happens to be the only reason why there were not more deaths in the mall terrorism incident.
terrorism? Geez i could fart terrorism by your definition :) I thought a cop shot him not a private citizen?
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Josh Gray wrote:
Geez i could fart terrorism by your definition
as long as your stink kills 5, yep.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Josh Gray wrote:
I thought a cop shot him not a private citizen?
An off duty Cop who happened to be carrying his weapon...
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So if Josh Gray opens one of its mouths does that mean that people are going to listen to any of them ramble? Perhaps it types with its 13 fingers and types non-sense and then I vote 1 on its message.
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Ok, put the alcohol down and have another try at making a cohesive sentance.
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Join the Code Project Last.fm group | dwulff
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So if Josh Gray opens one of its mouths does that mean that people are going to listen to any of them ramble? Perhaps it types with its 13 fingers and types non-sense and then I vote 1 on its message.
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Rob Graham wrote:
An off duty Cop who happened to be carrying his weapon...
So where did the shooter get his gun?
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Which gun? Reports are he carried 3 or 4 weapons (including a shotgun) , all of which he purchased legally (since he was 18 and a legal resident with no criminal record).
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Ok, put the alcohol down and have another try at making a cohesive sentance.
Ðavid Wulff What kind of music should programmers listen to?
Join the Code Project Last.fm group | dwulff
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Josh Gray wrote:
Geez i could fart terrorism by your definition
as long as your stink kills 5, yep.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
as long as your stink kills 5, yep.
So if you kill five or more your a terrorist? To me the word terrorism means that someone is causing terror in order to advance their own cause.
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Which gun? Reports are he carried 3 or 4 weapons (including a shotgun) , all of which he purchased legally (since he was 18 and a legal resident with no criminal record).
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
as long as your stink kills 5, yep.
So if you kill five or more your a terrorist? To me the word terrorism means that someone is causing terror in order to advance their own cause.
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Josh Gray wrote:
o me the word terrorism means that someone is causing terror in order to advance their own cause.
I think it sufficient that they cause terror. Randomly gunning down strangers in a public shopping center may not be as dramatic as blowing oneself to bits in the same setting, but it just as effectively terrified everyone there. And I have yet to see how any example of terrorism to date has advanced the terrorist's cause (that may be motive, but it is rarely if ever the result that the cause is advanced).
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Rob Graham wrote:
all of which he purchased legally
Amazing
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Josh Gray wrote:
Amazing
Why so? Can't you purchase firearms legally in Australia? Even for sporting purposes (which were likely the reasons he gave when he signed for the weapons)?
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Which gun? Reports are he carried 3 or 4 weapons (including a shotgun) , all of which he purchased legally (since he was 18 and a legal resident with no criminal record).
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Rob Graham wrote:
all of which he purchased legally
If he had any pistols then he did not purchase them legally. You have to be 21 years or older to purchase a pistol.
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You are correct. He had a .38 pistol and the ATF is investigating how he obtained that.
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Josh Gray wrote:
Amazing
Why so? Can't you purchase firearms legally in Australia? Even for sporting purposes (which were likely the reasons he gave when he signed for the weapons)?
Rob Graham wrote:
Why so?
Well we dont grow up with the idea of firearms being common in our community and I find the general US attitude towrads guns very foreign.
Rob Graham wrote:
Can't you purchase firearms legally in Australia? Even for sporting purposes
Yes and no. As far as I know you can have a shotgun (but not one that re-loads itself automatically) but there are very strict rules about where you can keep it etc. If you live in a city you have to be a member of a gun club and usually the guns are stored there. Gun owneship is not seen as a basic right here.
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Josh Gray wrote:
o me the word terrorism means that someone is causing terror in order to advance their own cause.
I think it sufficient that they cause terror. Randomly gunning down strangers in a public shopping center may not be as dramatic as blowing oneself to bits in the same setting, but it just as effectively terrified everyone there. And I have yet to see how any example of terrorism to date has advanced the terrorist's cause (that may be motive, but it is rarely if ever the result that the cause is advanced).
This is a common definition of terrorism The calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological. [^] You may find a definition of terrorist that doesn't include motive but there is clearly a difference between the terrorism of this shooter or the Columbine shooters and the terrorism of Timothy McVeigh or Hamas.
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This is a common definition of terrorism The calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological. [^] You may find a definition of terrorist that doesn't include motive but there is clearly a difference between the terrorism of this shooter or the Columbine shooters and the terrorism of Timothy McVeigh or Hamas.
oilFactotum wrote:
there is clearly a difference between the terrorism of this shooter or the Columbine shooters and the terrorism of Timothy McVeigh or Hamas.
That seems a bit presumptuous. I don't believe we know enough at this point to draw any conclusions as to the motivation. It may turn out that his motivations were similar to those Hamas, or it may not.