Secular progressive moral agenda...
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People often ask about what is meant by having a 'secular progressive moral agenda' forced upon our society. Here [^] is a perfect example of what it means. The guy is banished for expressing opinions outside the main stream of modern, secular, moral views. There is absolutely no difference between this kind of social ostricism and what we would have if our society had, in fact, been taken over by a religious orthodoxy of some kind and gay people were banned for their views. It is exactly the same kind of social phenomenon and proof that humanity can never really escape religious-like behavior regardless of how far we push actual religion out of our lives. It is always there.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
Stan Shannon wrote:
The guy is banished for expressing opinions outside the main stream of modern, secular, moral views. There is absolutely no difference between this kind of social ostricism and what we would have if our society had, in fact, been taken over by a religious orthodoxy of some kind and gay people were banned for their views. It is exactly the same kind of social phenomenon and proof that humanity can never really escape religious-like behavior regardless of how far we push actual religion out of our lives. It is always there.
Codes of acceptable behaviour are always there, certainly. However, the degree of authoritarianism of those codes can vary greatly. I think that those who transgress on secular orthodoxy generally get off pretty lightly. Incidentally, did you notice the campaign against the two bloggers who worked for John Edwards but were eventually forced to resign because they had said some critical things about the Catholic church? Neither of them, as far as I know, ever said: "I hate Catholic people...I let it be known I don't like Catholic people and I don't like to be around Catholic people. I am Catholophobic. I don't like it. It shouldn't be in the world or in the United States sports." At least one of the bloggers voted for John Kerry, a Catholic, in the last Presidential election. Apparently, the threshold for "unacceptable hostility" toward Catholics is fairly low.
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Some words and writings can often lead to unpredictability, uncertainty, civil tensions and wars.
And worse yet, some can cause nasty headaches through lack of punctuation and proper phrasing... ;P
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Over time this world has witnessed horrendous and obnoxious words and writings. Some words and writings can often lead to unpredictability, uncertainty, civil tensions and wars. Such words and writings from the likes oh Hitler, Abu Usamah, and many more should be discouraged perhaps even outlawed. And words and writings that attacks a person because of their (1) sexuality, (2) religion, (3) politics, (4) wealth and so on must also be subjected to same restrictions.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Such words and writings from the likes oh Hitler, Abu Usamah, and many more should be discouraged perhaps even outlawed. And words and writings that attacks a person because of their (1) sexuality, (2) religion, (3) politics, (4) wealth and so on must also be subjected to same restrictions.
I disagree fully. Your thoughts and words should not be censored. It is your most basic right as an intelligent being to be able to express your views with text, speech, hand gestures and pictures even if your views are unpopular. Its so important and something that I feel very strongly about. Everyone has the right to express his or her views, if we didn't then this soapbox wouldn't exist and no body would be complaining about Muslims and Christians or Hillery and Chavez.
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Some words and writings can often lead to unpredictability, uncertainty, civil tensions and wars.
And worse yet, some can cause nasty headaches through lack of punctuation and proper phrasing... ;P
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Shog9 wrote:
And worse yet, some can cause nasty headaches through lack of punctuation and proper phrasing...
Don't be so picky, it causes a bigger headache to try to correct endless spelling and grammar errors.
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Shog9 wrote:
And worse yet, some can cause nasty headaches through lack of punctuation and proper phrasing...
Don't be so picky, it causes a bigger headache to try to correct endless spelling and grammar errors.
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Naw. Use Firefox 2.0's spellchecker, and get in the habit of hitting Enter after every thought. That ought to get you most of the way there.
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Naw. Use Firefox 2.0's spellchecker, and get in the habit of hitting Enter after every thought. That ought to get you most of the way there.
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Shog9 wrote:
Use Firefox 2.0's spellchecker
The Firefox spell checker isn't that good. Sometimes I end up doing trial and error on the spelling of the word just to get its spelling right. Its such a pain :| I have always been bad with reading and writing. When I read I end up getting way ahead of my self and start switching words and rephrasing things and I get all mixed up. When I write my thoughts change too quickly and I can't complete recording my thoughts or I will think of many different ways of saying something and mix them together into something scrambled.
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Shog9 wrote:
Use Firefox 2.0's spellchecker
The Firefox spell checker isn't that good. Sometimes I end up doing trial and error on the spelling of the word just to get its spelling right. Its such a pain :| I have always been bad with reading and writing. When I read I end up getting way ahead of my self and start switching words and rephrasing things and I get all mixed up. When I write my thoughts change too quickly and I can't complete recording my thoughts or I will think of many different ways of saying something and mix them together into something scrambled.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
When I write my thoughts change too quickly and I can't complete recording my thoughts or I will think of many different ways of saying something and mix them together into something scrambled.
That's why i usually find it easier to just hammer out a rough draft of what i'm trying to say, and then go back and rework it 'till it sorta makes sense. Or not. Truth is, i write a fair number of emails, posts, and replies that never get posted; once written, it's obvious they're less interesting than i'd previously hoped. And yeah, you can't rely on a spell-checker. I have dict mapped to an online dictionary site in Firefox, so i can quickly open a new tab and look up words when necessary.
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Shog9 wrote:
And worse yet, some can cause nasty headaches through lack of punctuation and proper phrasing...
Don't be so picky, it causes a bigger headache to try to correct endless spelling and grammar errors.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
Don't be so picky, it causes a bigger headache to try to correct endless spelling and grammar errors.
If you'd paid attention in school and not been so hell bent on becoming an ignorant lout, you'd write properly without thinking about it.
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People often ask about what is meant by having a 'secular progressive moral agenda' forced upon our society. Here [^] is a perfect example of what it means. The guy is banished for expressing opinions outside the main stream of modern, secular, moral views. There is absolutely no difference between this kind of social ostricism and what we would have if our society had, in fact, been taken over by a religious orthodoxy of some kind and gay people were banned for their views. It is exactly the same kind of social phenomenon and proof that humanity can never really escape religious-like behavior regardless of how far we push actual religion out of our lives. It is always there.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
Stan Shannon wrote:
People often ask about what is meant by having a 'secular progressive moral agenda' forced upon our society.
I never heard that term before, not in a question, or otherwise. But then, I am not people :)
Hardaway said:
It shouldn't be in the world or in the United States sports."
There's a point. He turns his personal aversity into a call for a witch hunt. Is the NBA is somehow tax sponsored? Because if it were a private company I'd expect you to be the first to tell me "It's their own business who they dump and who they keep"
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Such words and writings from the likes oh Hitler, Abu Usamah, and many more should be discouraged perhaps even outlawed. And words and writings that attacks a person because of their (1) sexuality, (2) religion, (3) politics, (4) wealth and so on must also be subjected to same restrictions.
I disagree fully. Your thoughts and words should not be censored. It is your most basic right as an intelligent being to be able to express your views with text, speech, hand gestures and pictures even if your views are unpopular. Its so important and something that I feel very strongly about. Everyone has the right to express his or her views, if we didn't then this soapbox wouldn't exist and no body would be complaining about Muslims and Christians or Hillery and Chavez.
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Debating an issue is an excellent mechanism to get across a point of view. But debating an issue is rather different from a forceful abuse intended to harm thus the need for self-moderation and where that is conspicuous by its absence, then lawful enforcement becomes a need.
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Debating an issue is an excellent mechanism to get across a point of view. But debating an issue is rather different from a forceful abuse intended to harm thus the need for self-moderation and where that is conspicuous by its absence, then lawful enforcement becomes a need.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
forceful abuse intended to harm
I don't think saying "I hate gays" causes any real harm, just as saying "I hate Vista" or "I hate Hillery" causes no harm. Preventing people from speaking their mind does not solve any problems, it is oppressive. -- modified at 13:00 Saturday 17th February, 2007
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
Don't be so picky, it causes a bigger headache to try to correct endless spelling and grammar errors.
If you'd paid attention in school and not been so hell bent on becoming an ignorant lout, you'd write properly without thinking about it.
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance idiots like CSS.
Tim Craig wrote:
If you'd paid attention in school and not been so hell bent on becoming an ignorant lout, you'd write properly without thinking about it.
Don't fucking talk to me you son of a bitch. You obviously have some kind of problem that needs to be resolved. Did mommy not love you? :laugh: Is your wifey cheating on you while spending your money?
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
forceful abuse intended to harm
I don't think saying "I hate gays" causes any real harm, just as saying "I hate Vista" or "I hate Hillery" causes no harm. Preventing people from speaking their mind does not solve any problems, it is oppressive. -- modified at 13:00 Saturday 17th February, 2007
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
I don't think saying "I hate gays" causes any real harm, just as saying "I hate Vista" or "I hate Hillery" causes no harm
Go into any public street and shout "I hate blacks" or "I hate jews". In fact, don't -- because if you aren't killed, you will be arrested. Encouraging discrimination against entire groups of people based on nothing more than the colour of their skin or their sexual orientation does do real harm. Let's not forget what started with "Jews should not be tolerated" and ended with the murders of millions of people. For perspective, there are more gay people in the world than [by race] Jews...
Captain See Sharp wrote:
it is oppressive
You are damned right it is. But not how you introduced it.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
I don't think saying "I hate gays" causes any real harm, just as saying "I hate Vista" or "I hate Hillery" causes no harm
Go into any public street and shout "I hate blacks" or "I hate jews". In fact, don't -- because if you aren't killed, you will be arrested. Encouraging discrimination against entire groups of people based on nothing more than the colour of their skin or their sexual orientation does do real harm. Let's not forget what started with "Jews should not be tolerated" and ended with the murders of millions of people. For perspective, there are more gay people in the world than [by race] Jews...
Captain See Sharp wrote:
it is oppressive
You are damned right it is. But not how you introduced it.
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkThose are good points but it should not be illegal. If I went outside on the street corner with a sign "DAMN THE NIGGERS" people would be pulling over and spitting on me and kicking my ass and demoralizing me and the police might find me and arrest me for instigating fights and whatnot. That is completely understandable however if I want to have a conversation with some people who share those beliefs I should not be punished for sharing my hatred with them. Also in America people have the right for peaceful protest including the KKK. It makes people's blood boil so others will be protesting too, there would be a lot of shouting, name calling, and footstomping but thats OK because they both have the right to express their views. It may end up in violence but that is because some people lost control. With freedom comes responsibility and humans are such capable beings and responsibility should be encouraged rather than restrictions on thoughts and behaviors. Think about it, the people creating and enforcing the laws are people just like you and me and it is unreasonable for any group of people to have control over hundreds of millions of others. Thats why freedom and personal responsibility must be encouraged. If people use common sense and represent them selves in a reasonable manner then things would be alright. Fight words with words and fight fists with fists. You might say that words turn into violence but if personal responsibility is taught and encouraged then it would be much less of a problem. An example would be if the protesters would not get up into people's faces and block their way while they are shouting whatever they are shouting then violence would be much less likely. I am a very tolerant person, I can tolerate stupid, loud, hostile, and all kinds of other people, but some things can cause me to "protest" such as being forced to believe something, or just being forced into anything, I value freedom to the highest extent and I would like everyone to have freedom because freedom makes happy people.
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Those are good points but it should not be illegal. If I went outside on the street corner with a sign "DAMN THE NIGGERS" people would be pulling over and spitting on me and kicking my ass and demoralizing me and the police might find me and arrest me for instigating fights and whatnot. That is completely understandable however if I want to have a conversation with some people who share those beliefs I should not be punished for sharing my hatred with them. Also in America people have the right for peaceful protest including the KKK. It makes people's blood boil so others will be protesting too, there would be a lot of shouting, name calling, and footstomping but thats OK because they both have the right to express their views. It may end up in violence but that is because some people lost control. With freedom comes responsibility and humans are such capable beings and responsibility should be encouraged rather than restrictions on thoughts and behaviors. Think about it, the people creating and enforcing the laws are people just like you and me and it is unreasonable for any group of people to have control over hundreds of millions of others. Thats why freedom and personal responsibility must be encouraged. If people use common sense and represent them selves in a reasonable manner then things would be alright. Fight words with words and fight fists with fists. You might say that words turn into violence but if personal responsibility is taught and encouraged then it would be much less of a problem. An example would be if the protesters would not get up into people's faces and block their way while they are shouting whatever they are shouting then violence would be much less likely. I am a very tolerant person, I can tolerate stupid, loud, hostile, and all kinds of other people, but some things can cause me to "protest" such as being forced to believe something, or just being forced into anything, I value freedom to the highest extent and I would like everyone to have freedom because freedom makes happy people.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
With freedom comes responsibility
It is good to put that principle into practice. Wherever you find irresponsibility - be it against you or whosoever - remind yourself of the price paid for that freedom.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
I value freedom to the highest extent and I would like everyone to have freedom because freedom makes happy people
Freedom should ensure that a society is at ease with itself. A society is not at ease with itself where bigotry and the likes is evident.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
With freedom comes responsibility
It is good to put that principle into practice. Wherever you find irresponsibility - be it against you or whosoever - remind yourself of the price paid for that freedom.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
I value freedom to the highest extent and I would like everyone to have freedom because freedom makes happy people
Freedom should ensure that a society is at ease with itself. A society is not at ease with itself where bigotry and the likes is evident.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
A society is not at ease with itself where bigotry and the likes is evident.
I disagree, most people are blissfully numb and happy as they drive their SUVs to the mall and watch American Idol on the TV and chat on their cell phones. One important thing to remember is that preventing people from speaking their minds causes more "uneasiness" than a few KKK wackos and it only makes such issues as racism hidden, it does not abolish it. People laugh when they hear KKK people talk on the TV, I know I do. Its important for people to see and hear everything that goes on in the world. Nothing should be hidden and all information should be available to everyone.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
I don't think saying "I hate gays" causes any real harm, just as saying "I hate Vista" or "I hate Hillery" causes no harm
Go into any public street and shout "I hate blacks" or "I hate jews". In fact, don't -- because if you aren't killed, you will be arrested. Encouraging discrimination against entire groups of people based on nothing more than the colour of their skin or their sexual orientation does do real harm. Let's not forget what started with "Jews should not be tolerated" and ended with the murders of millions of people. For perspective, there are more gay people in the world than [by race] Jews...
Captain See Sharp wrote:
it is oppressive
You are damned right it is. But not how you introduced it.
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkDavid Wulff wrote:
Let's not forget what started with "Jews should not be tolerated" and ended with the murders of millions of people.
Hatred is not what killed the Jews. What killed them was the concentration of political power and a social moral agenda that would not let those opposed to the hatred speak out. That is precisely the situation growing in the west, once again thanks to leftist ideals. It is you who are now saying that something should not be tolerated. It is someone else being forced to bow to your social imperative. That is not going to end any better this time than it did last time. Hatred is merely a harmless emotion. It doesn't hurt anyone. People should be allowed to freely express and act on their hatred so long as they otherwise cause no physical harm to anyone.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about