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Jim Crafton

Because Cameron is pretending to use "science" as his methodology. Claiming DNA testing as a way to verify this (what the hell is testing *against*????) pretends to use scientific methods to back up his claim. If he had simply said, look we found this tomb, we think this is where Jesus was buried, then that would be one thing. But to claim that DNA (and whatever other absurd "technology" is helping this along) is being used as a tool puts the burden on him. In other words, he is *not* asking you take his word as faith.

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Marcus J Smith

The funny thing is that I am Christian but I still believe the Bible is just a collection of stories written over a period of time. If someone is to believe in God/Jesus/whatever, they need to do it understanding that there is not much in factual evidence to backup that belief.

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Ilion

Stan Shannon wrote:

Strawman!!!!!!!

Which doubtless explains why he had to roll his eyes at what he himself had written.

Ilion

Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:

But there's a grain of sincerity in my post. What makes Cameron's claim any less credible than the "official version"? Faith is the proverbial can of worms, because it allows for pretty much any argument. Regardless of what is known and not known.

But this isn't so. Christian faith does not (and never has) "allow[ed] for pretty much any argument" and certainly not "[r]egardless of what is known and not known." That you don't know what you're talking about, and apparently have no interest in knowing, doesn't change reality.

Ssswamii

Archaelogists Criticize Cameron's Claim About Jesus[^]

Amos Kloner, the first archaeologist to examine the site, said, "the idea fails to hold up by archaeological standards but makes for profitable television."

'Nuff said. :)

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Colin Angus Mackay

Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:

religious people start waving their hands and shout "you have no proof!"

Talking of proof here are some interesting statistics[^]

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Ilion

Way too funny, and way too much cherry picking.

Jorgen Sigvardsson

You're missing the big picture. It's not christianity alone I have a beef with. It's faith in general. Faith is nothing but irrational beliefs. Beliefs that cannot be justified unless you want to believe. Christianity is just one loose set of irrational beliefs.

Ilíon wrote:

That you don't know what you're talking about, and apparently have no interest in knowing, doesn't change reality.

Oh, I know exactly what I'm talking about.

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Jorgen Sigvardsson

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Stan Shannon

I'm sure - but I owned him a strawman anyway.

Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about

Ilion

The "big picture" is that you said: "Faith is the proverbial can of worms, because it allows for pretty much any argument. Regardless of what is known and not known." and what you said is false. It doesn't apply to Christianity. Though, it clearly does apply to *your* religion. "It's not christianity alone I have a beef with." Of course. That's why any second now you're going to run out into the street and yell something like: "Mohammad is a big doodie-head!" Hell, I'd be surprised if you even have the guts to write "Islam" with a small "i." I'll bet you're even very punctual to write "Qur'an," as though that spelling were more correct (and less likely to cost you your head) than "Koran."

Ilion

And here I thought he was doing a fine, fine job of producing his own.

Tim Craig

Christian Graus wrote:

the athiests will be the ones more likely to be arrogant about it.

I've never met an arrogant christian. :rolleyes:

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Jorgen Sigvardsson

Islam, mohammed, dillweed allah? And for your information, the quran is spelled koran in Swedish. You know, I couldn't care less about these superstitious figures.

Ilíon wrote:

and what you said is false. It doesn't apply to Christianity.

You're still not seeing the point. But that's ok. Your only box seem to be the one with a big cross on it. Life is shiny and happy inside that box of yours, and damn those who wants you to take a peek outside it...?

Ilíon wrote:

*your* religion

Go get a dictionary and lookup the word religion.

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Tim Craig

islam koran quoran mohammed was a big doodle head. Sorry, Joergen, I couldn't wait to jump on that one. :-D You sound like you're assuming Joergen is islamic. Talk about not paying attention. :laugh:

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Ilion

"Islam, mohammed, dillweed allah?" You ran out in the street and mocked the sensibilities of the "Religionists of Pieces?" Where some of them can actually respond in that manner we've all come to know and love? "And for your information, the quran is spelled koran in Swedish." It's also spelled "Koran" in English. But there are a great number of people who seem to think spelling it "Qur'an" will earn them brownie-points. And, by some odd coincidence, there is a great deal of overlap in those who are punctilious to spell it "Qur'an" and those who are punctilious to spell it "christ" and "xtianity."

You're still not seeing the point. But that's ok. Your only box seem to be the one with a big cross on it. Life is shiny and happy inside that box of yours, and damn those who wants you to take a peek outside it...?

I'd say that *you* are not getting the point. I can arm-chair psychoanalyze you, too. And my "diagnosis" is going to be closer to the mark. You 'atheists' are such interesting folk. You like to dish it out, but you don't like to get it back. Yet, there is an odd logic to that, considering that the dish you serve was dead and stale 100 years ago and the one we're serving it still biting. "Go get a dictionary and lookup the word religion." Open your eyes and get a clue.

Ilion

"You sound like you're assuming Joergen is islamic. Talk about not paying attention." Just how dense are you? No, seriously, I want to know.

Tim Craig

Ilíon wrote:

You 'atheists' are such interesting folk. You like to dish it out, but you don't like to get it back.

You don't seem so full of the milk of human kindness, brotherly love, and turning the other cheek. Sounds like we're getting under your skin to me. I guess self righteous applies, too. :suss:

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Tim Craig

Ilíon wrote:

Just how dense are you?

A little less dense than water overall. I float. Does that make me a witch?

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Ilion

Oh, now *that* hurts. I am just wounded to the quick. I don't know where you 'atheists' get this strange idea that "turning the other cheek" has anything to do with being a door-mat or allowing obvious falsefoods and irrationalities to go unchallenged. But wherever you get this strange idea, you'd really better get over it. If you can't handle me, you're really not going to like the next generation of us. Oh, I'm sorry. Was that offensive the mention that we have a next generation?