Benefits of atheism

[Lost User]

Stan, do you need examples?

[Jorgen Sigvardsson]

You ought to change your name to Red Herring.

[Al Beback]

Looks like people are beginning to take notice: link[^] :)

[Ilion]

Why him alone? The original post was full of red herrings and other logical flaws.

[Stan Shannon]

Sure, give me a few.

Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about

[Stan Shannon]

Colin Angus Mackay wrote:

If I should be in extreme pain at the end of my life, I can prematurely terminate my life without fear of some hideous reprisal.

Hell, why wait?

Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about

[Ilion]

Christian Graus wrote:

... I don't believe you are free to decide that it's moral to kill people and take their stuff, for example.

Sure you are free to decide that. Your decision would be false (in this case, 'false' meaning that the attempted redefinition of what is and is not "moral" is itself an immoral decision) ... which, of course, means there exists some objective criteria to differentiate 'moral' from 'immoral' ... but one is certainly *free* to decide to do anything one want to decide to do. One is free to decide that "up" is really "down." One's decision doesn't affect the truth of the matter.

[Jorgen Sigvardsson]

He's special...

[Ilion]

Humorous photo-shopping aside, of course, the truth is that as *reality* would have it, it is 'atheism' which is closing up shop. Damn, man! don't you pay attention to current events? Haven't you noticed that, as Europe is so clearly demonstrating, 'atheism' is a one-way ticket to national/cultural suicide. By the way, knowing how important predictions are to those who claim to have a "scientific" mind-set, what is happening to the European nations (what they are doing to themselves, actually) just happens to be a prediction of the Bible.

[Colin Angus Mackay]

Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:

Herring

Herring sandwiches......

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[Jorgen Sigvardsson]

Why give you the satisfaction?

[Ilion]

But so are you special, at least, according to Christianity. Stars and galaxies die, but you are eternal.

[Ssswamii]

Ilíon wrote:

Haven't you noticed that, as Europe is so clearly demonstrating, 'atheism' is a one-way ticket to national/cultural suicide.

Blunt, but I like it. :)

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[Christian Graus]

Exactly, but no-one is celebrating his freedom to choose his own morality. That's kind of my point. Morality is defined by society, more than the individual, and enforced by society when an individual strays to far from the accepted norm.

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[Christian Graus]

Of course it is. And the morality society defined at the time allowed for that. That really just proves my point, morality is a construct of the society we live in. Some things that seem obviously right or wrong to us, did not seem that way to people who lived in the past.

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[Ilion]

I'm blunt. Except when I'm not.

[Christian Graus]

Ilíon wrote:

One is free to decide that "up" is really "down." One's decision doesn't affect the truth of the matter.

That's hardly the point. The original article is obviously a joke, most of it could not be taken seriously, but on this one point, it's worth mentioning that if you don't derive your morality from the bible, then you still derive it from your childhood and your life experiences, more than anything by what people around you accept.

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[Ilion]

Ilíon: "One is free to decide that "up" is really "down." One's decision doesn't affect the truth of the matter." Christian Graus: "That's hardly the point." But that is the point. AND, you're taking the last bit of what I said out of the context of what I said and then reading it far too literally.

Christian Graus wrote:

The original article is obviously a joke, most of it could not be taken seriously, but on this one point, it's worth mentioning that if you don't derive your morality from the bible, then you still derive it from your childhood and your life experiences, more than anything by what people around you accept.

Of course, and I didn't dispute any of that. However, you followed the above idea with this statement: "I don't believe you are free to decide that it's moral to kill people and take their stuff, for example." And this statement is literally not true. One *is* free to decide that it's moral to kill kill people and take their stuff. That one decides to say it's moral to do this doesn't make it so. One is as free to lie to oneself as to others. But the truth remains what it is regardless of the lie one has decided to tell oneself.

[Ssswamii]

:) That seems to be your posting style, at least here in the Lounge and on my blog as well. :) Take care, God bless.

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[Christian Graus]

Wow, this is convoluted.

Ilíon wrote:

That one decides to say it's moral to do this doesn't make it so.

Exactly my point, NO-ONE is free to decide what is moral, society will enforce it's values, if your values deviate too far from the norm.

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