Darfur
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K(arl) wrote:
Why is there no international reaction to the widespread massacres?
The USA is too busy with a political civil war in the USA House and Senate and with insurgents in Afganistan and Iraq. France busy? Maybe you guys could take the lead at the UN on this one.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
I wonder if 'we' have many troops available left[^]. There are some in Chad that could give a hand. On the political side, I agree, France should take the lead at the UN, and if possible integrate this in an european process.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Another thing I realize is that you came a long way to get to the US to join a band of treasonous scum trying to destroy the country. Why did'nt you just pick a country already set up the way you wanted - Canada or Cuba for example.
I always thought the point behind the worlds greatest democracy was that it's citizens could think what they want, regardless of whether that personally suits you or not.
Johnny ² wrote:
I always thought the point behind the worlds greatest democracy was that it's citizens could think what they want, regardless of whether that personally suits you or not.
It is. That is precisely what I was doing - giving my opinion of Manderson whether it personally suits you or not. You have a problem with that?
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
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Stan Shannon wrote:
It just seems to me that either one would be more to the liking of someone of Manderson's ilk. It is certainly what that type wants to turn the US into.
Canada has beer and hockey, Cuba has beautiful water and beaches, who wouldn't want that stuff?
Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
And if you combine all that, you have Australia (except trade hocky for rugby I suppose). So why did he ever leave?
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
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Remember Liberia Sierra Leone, Ivory Coast, or Bosnia when the western powers stopped at last to play it nice. An interposition force can work, if it has the authorization to protect the civilians using any necessary mean. Political and economic sanctions can be a first step: no more business with Sudan, no more travel for sudanese officials.
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K(arl) wrote:
Political and economic sanctions can be a first step: no more business with Sudan, no more travel for sudanese officials.
At which time the US will be blamed for purposefully starving children (if a republican is in office, ok otherwise).
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
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Another thing I realize is that you came a long way to get to the US to join a band of treasonous scum trying to destroy the country. Why did'nt you just pick a country already set up the way you wanted - Canada or Cuba for example.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
I'm in Canada right now. How is it like Cuba ?
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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I'm in Canada right now. How is it like Cuba ?
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
Christian Graus wrote:
I'm in Canada right now. How is it like Cuba ?
They are both examples of places Manderson would like to see the US turned into. Just as long as we become Marxist, the degree doesn't matter.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
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That's certainly true with regard to our affairs abroad. We don't do anything for the sake of helping the people. Its always in another interest. We certainly aren't helping the Iraqis. Every country we touch is spoiled by it. Maybe Serbia is doing better. But then, we were ignoring Rowanda then. So, nah, we aren't so concerned with the oppressd of the world or genocide. We have targeted interests.
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Chris-Kaiser wrote:
We don't do anything for the sake of helping the people.
We (the US) or we (the world)? I for one don't understand why the rest of the world seems to sit on their hands most of the time and whine that the US isn't doing enough for cause A or cause B. Also, what are the people of Darfur doing to help themselves?
"If you drink, don't drive. Don't even putt." - Dean Martin
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K(arl) wrote:
Political and economic sanctions can be a first step: no more business with Sudan, no more travel for sudanese officials.
At which time the US will be blamed for purposefully starving children (if a republican is in office, ok otherwise).
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
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What do you suggest? Invading a mostly Islamic nation to prevent its ruthless leader from systematically killing its minority population? Place a UN sanctioned force in between them? March in the streets with signs saying "Free Darfur" while wearing Che T-shirts ? Roundly condemn them in the UN? Apply sanctions to the government of Sudan? Any other really effective methods that have been tried in the past and failed miserably that I might have missed? Bueller? Anyone?
I'm pretty sure I would not like to live in a world in which I would never be offended. I am absolutely certain I don't want to live in a world in which you would never be offended. Dave
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And if you combine all that, you have Australia (except trade hocky for rugby I suppose). So why did he ever leave?
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
Stan Shannon wrote:
And if you combine all that, you have Australia (except trade hocky for rugby I suppose). So why did he ever leave?
Crap, you're right. I'm moving to Australia!
Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
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No! That would be treason...
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
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I'm in Canada right now. How is it like Cuba ?
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
Christian Graus wrote:
I'm in Canada right now. How is it like Cuba ?
I was wondering that myself: Canada: Large, cold Cuba: Small, warm :confused:
Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
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Did ever international criticism modify the behavior of an US president?
Where do you expect us to go when the bombs fall?
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I wonder if 'we' have many troops available left[^]. There are some in Chad that could give a hand. On the political side, I agree, France should take the lead at the UN, and if possible integrate this in an european process.
Anyone who is not a misanthropist at 40 never loved men at any time Fold with us! ¤ flickr
Karl - your link referenced, "national police". Are all police departments in France a part of the National Police or is that something like our FBI? Just curious, I have a son who spent 4 or 5 years in South Korea and they have a national police system with nothing locally controlled. It sort of makes sense except for the negatives of central control.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Why is there no international reaction to the widespread massacres?
Where do you expect us to go when the bombs fall?
There is, but the Anglosphere is currently busy with its own mess in Iraq. As we are the only international group who likes to play world policeman nothing will get done.
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K(arl) wrote:
Did ever international criticism modify the behavior of an US president?
Carter and Clinton... every minute of every day.
"If you drink, don't drive. Don't even putt." - Dean Martin
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Karl - your link referenced, "national police". Are all police departments in France a part of the National Police or is that something like our FBI? Just curious, I have a son who spent 4 or 5 years in South Korea and they have a national police system with nothing locally controlled. It sort of makes sense except for the negatives of central control.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
There are two kind of national polices. There are also 'town polices', but they have not the same rights and legal possibilities than the others. So, for the two national polices: - The "Gendarmerie[^]", which is a military corps and ensures police tasks in rural areas - The "Police Nationale[^]", which is a civilian corps and ensures police tasks in large towns. We are a centralized State, with a great emphasis on the equality in rights amongst all citizens. For the respect of the law, only a national police corps can ensure national continuity.
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Why is there no international reaction to the widespread massacres?
Where do you expect us to go when the bombs fall?
K(arl) wrote:
no international reaction
Unless the Wikipedia page on Darfur is "wrong" there has been international reaction for years. Bush was there last year making a deal. It didn't help, but he was there and he tried. The UN :rolleyes: has done, you know ... the normal UN stuff.
led mike
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Remember Liberia Sierra Leone, Ivory Coast, or Bosnia when the western powers stopped at last to play it nice. An interposition force can work, if it has the authorization to protect the civilians using any necessary mean. Political and economic sanctions can be a first step: no more business with Sudan, no more travel for sudanese officials.
Last modified: 11mins after originally posted --
military justice is to justice what military music is to music Fold with us! ¤ flickr
Considering that China is doing booming business with Sudan I doubt very much that any sanctions will be passed, or, if they are, that they will be ignored by China (and probably Russia, Germany, France, Great Britain, the US,... :-D ) China doesn't give a crap what the world thinks of it (see Tibet) so hysterical condemnation won't change anything there. Darfur is screwed - there is not enough will in the west to help it. :(
I'm pretty sure I would not like to live in a world in which I would never be offended. I am absolutely certain I don't want to live in a world in which you would never be offended. Dave
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Chris-Kaiser wrote:
We don't do anything for the sake of helping the people.
We (the US) or we (the world)? I for one don't understand why the rest of the world seems to sit on their hands most of the time and whine that the US isn't doing enough for cause A or cause B. Also, what are the people of Darfur doing to help themselves?
"If you drink, don't drive. Don't even putt." - Dean Martin
We the US. I was being somewhat facetious, but not really. We do things in the world for our own interests.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
I for one don't understand why the rest of the world seems to sit on their hands most of the time and whine that the US isn't doing enough for cause A or cause B.
Heh. And then complain that we screwed it up. If that's the case.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Also, what are the people of Darfur doing to help themselves?
Don't know that they can in this case. Leave their country? What's available to them?
This statement was never false.