Europe restricts free speech
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European Union nations agreed Thursday on new rules to combat racism and hate
crimes across the 27-nation bloc, including setting jail sentences against those who
deny or trivialize the Holocaust.
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EU justice and interior ministers said the rules call for criminalizing "incitement
to hatred and violence and publicly condoning, denying or grossly trivializing crimes
of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes."The mass killing of Jews during World War II was the only genocide specifically
mentioned in the rules. Demands from Baltic nations that major Stalinist atrocities
be included were rejected.So not only is the EU severely restricting and punishing free speech, but they're apparently doing so on a politically selective basis. Why am I completely unsurprised?
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European Union nations agreed Thursday on new rules to combat racism and hate
crimes across the 27-nation bloc, including setting jail sentences against those who
deny or trivialize the Holocaust.
...
EU justice and interior ministers said the rules call for criminalizing "incitement
to hatred and violence and publicly condoning, denying or grossly trivializing crimes
of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes."The mass killing of Jews during World War II was the only genocide specifically
mentioned in the rules. Demands from Baltic nations that major Stalinist atrocities
be included were rejected.So not only is the EU severely restricting and punishing free speech, but they're apparently doing so on a politically selective basis. Why am I completely unsurprised?
Red Stateler wrote:
Why am I completely unsurprised?
Because very little ever goes on up there? :~
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Red Stateler wrote:
Why am I completely unsurprised?
Because very little ever goes on up there? :~
Ðavid Wulff What kind of music should programmers listen to?
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkOh how I wish I'd gotten home 10 minutes earlier so I could have said that! Well done, sir, well done.
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Red Stateler wrote:
Why am I completely unsurprised?
Because very little ever goes on up there? :~
Ðavid Wulff What kind of music should programmers listen to?
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European Union nations agreed Thursday on new rules to combat racism and hate
crimes across the 27-nation bloc, including setting jail sentences against those who
deny or trivialize the Holocaust.
...
EU justice and interior ministers said the rules call for criminalizing "incitement
to hatred and violence and publicly condoning, denying or grossly trivializing crimes
of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes."The mass killing of Jews during World War II was the only genocide specifically
mentioned in the rules. Demands from Baltic nations that major Stalinist atrocities
be included were rejected.So not only is the EU severely restricting and punishing free speech, but they're apparently doing so on a politically selective basis. Why am I completely unsurprised?
Spreading hatred and racism is NOT the motivation behind free speech. What would you say if someone came to you and said "9/11 never happened"?
----- Formerly MP(2) If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby. -- Unknown
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Spreading hatred and racism is NOT the motivation behind free speech. What would you say if someone came to you and said "9/11 never happened"?
----- Formerly MP(2) If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby. -- Unknown
Le Centriste wrote:
What would you say if someone came to you and said "9/11 never happened"?
I would say they're goofy and point to all the evidence. I most certainly would NOT jail them for it. Would you?
"I'm a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work the more I have of it." - Thomas Jefferson
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Spreading hatred and racism is NOT the motivation behind free speech. What would you say if someone came to you and said "9/11 never happened"?
----- Formerly MP(2) If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby. -- Unknown
Le Centriste wrote:
Spreading hatred and racism is NOT the motivation behind free speech.
Apparently the motivation is to allow the government to define history by condemning right-wing extremist governments while denying the wrongdoing of left-wing extremist governments.
Le Centriste wrote:
What would you say if someone came to you and said "9/11 never happened"?
I'd probably say, "whatever, dork". Of course, there are plenty of people who claim it was perpetrated by our government in some grand conspiracy. I'm not out trying to ensure they'll go to prison for three years for saying that.
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So David... what are your thoughts about the EU making such speech a crime?
"I'm a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work the more I have of it." - Thomas Jefferson
He's not allowed to say.
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European Union nations agreed Thursday on new rules to combat racism and hate
crimes across the 27-nation bloc, including setting jail sentences against those who
deny or trivialize the Holocaust.
...
EU justice and interior ministers said the rules call for criminalizing "incitement
to hatred and violence and publicly condoning, denying or grossly trivializing crimes
of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes."The mass killing of Jews during World War II was the only genocide specifically
mentioned in the rules. Demands from Baltic nations that major Stalinist atrocities
be included were rejected.So not only is the EU severely restricting and punishing free speech, but they're apparently doing so on a politically selective basis. Why am I completely unsurprised?
So are you complaining that free speech is restricted, or that the restrictions are restricted?
We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
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So are you complaining that free speech is restricted, or that the restrictions are restricted?
We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
My first real C# project | Linkify!|FoldWithUs! | sighist -
So are you complaining that free speech is restricted, or that the restrictions are restricted?
We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
My first real C# project | Linkify!|FoldWithUs! | sighistpeterchen wrote:
So are you complaining that free speech is restricted, or that the restrictions are restricted?
I'm not complaining. I'm making fun of both. 1. The fact that your government is restricting speech is anti-democratic and ludicrous. 2. The fact that your government just happen to refuse to allow denial of Stalinist atrocities (when your government is left-wing) is expected from an anti-democratic government seeking to ensure its authority.
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So are you complaining that free speech is restricted, or that the restrictions are restricted?
We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
My first real C# project | Linkify!|FoldWithUs! | sighist -
Spreading hatred and racism is NOT the motivation behind free speech. What would you say if someone came to you and said "9/11 never happened"?
----- Formerly MP(2) If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby. -- Unknown
No, but it is an unavoidable consequence.
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European Union nations agreed Thursday on new rules to combat racism and hate
crimes across the 27-nation bloc, including setting jail sentences against those who
deny or trivialize the Holocaust.
...
EU justice and interior ministers said the rules call for criminalizing "incitement
to hatred and violence and publicly condoning, denying or grossly trivializing crimes
of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes."The mass killing of Jews during World War II was the only genocide specifically
mentioned in the rules. Demands from Baltic nations that major Stalinist atrocities
be included were rejected.So not only is the EU severely restricting and punishing free speech, but they're apparently doing so on a politically selective basis. Why am I completely unsurprised?
Joy, and it plays right into the hands of the Islamist critics who falsely stated that holocaust denial was illegal in Europe, and therefore drawing cocks on pictures of Old Mo was hypocritical. Just wait for the blasphemy legislation that's sure to follow. Oh, and holocaust schmolocaust, it never happened.
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Spreading hatred and racism is NOT the motivation behind free speech. What would you say if someone came to you and said "9/11 never happened"?
----- Formerly MP(2) If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby. -- Unknown
Le Centriste wrote:
Spreading hatred and racism is NOT the motivation behind free speech.
The motivation behind free speech is quite simple: speech should be free. Counter bad speech with good speech, not thought-crime laws.
Le Centriste wrote:
What would you say if someone came to you and said "9/11 never happened"?
Like these[^] douchebags[^]? There are plenty of others like them as well, I don't feel like listing all of them. (If you dig into their sites any, you'll find links to all the others, however, as it's mostly one big circle disaster-bation). They should not be put in jail. They should not be charged with crimes. They should not be attacked upon sight. Their ideas should be challenged with good speech[^]. All should be able to see and participate in the debate.
-- Russell Morris Morbo: "WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!"
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Joy, and it plays right into the hands of the Islamist critics who falsely stated that holocaust denial was illegal in Europe, and therefore drawing cocks on pictures of Old Mo was hypocritical. Just wait for the blasphemy legislation that's sure to follow. Oh, and holocaust schmolocaust, it never happened.
Ryan Roberts wrote:
Just wait for the blasphemy legislation that's sure to follow.
The Pope noted concern over the increasing secularization of Europe and its tendency to criminalize opposing viewpoints such as this. Once they decide that opposing abortion or gay marriage constitutes a bigoted or sexist hate crime...poof. The Catholic Church is gone.
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So David... what are your thoughts about the EU making such speech a crime?
"I'm a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work the more I have of it." - Thomas Jefferson
To be honest I thought the things covered by that bill were already crimes, at least here. Sounds to me like an excuse to justify their jobs.
Ðavid Wulff What kind of music should programmers listen to?
Join the Code Project Last.fm group | dwulff
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European Union nations agreed Thursday on new rules to combat racism and hate
crimes across the 27-nation bloc, including setting jail sentences against those who
deny or trivialize the Holocaust.
...
EU justice and interior ministers said the rules call for criminalizing "incitement
to hatred and violence and publicly condoning, denying or grossly trivializing crimes
of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes."The mass killing of Jews during World War II was the only genocide specifically
mentioned in the rules. Demands from Baltic nations that major Stalinist atrocities
be included were rejected.So not only is the EU severely restricting and punishing free speech, but they're apparently doing so on a politically selective basis. Why am I completely unsurprised?
It's worse then what you think. Tobacco companies aren't free to deny that smoking is bad for your health. Imagine that!
"Throughout human history, we have been dependent on machines to survive. Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony. " - Morpheus "Real men use mspaint for writing code and notepad for designing graphics." - Anna-Jayne Metcalfe
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European Union nations agreed Thursday on new rules to combat racism and hate
crimes across the 27-nation bloc, including setting jail sentences against those who
deny or trivialize the Holocaust.
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EU justice and interior ministers said the rules call for criminalizing "incitement
to hatred and violence and publicly condoning, denying or grossly trivializing crimes
of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes."The mass killing of Jews during World War II was the only genocide specifically
mentioned in the rules. Demands from Baltic nations that major Stalinist atrocities
be included were rejected.So not only is the EU severely restricting and punishing free speech, but they're apparently doing so on a politically selective basis. Why am I completely unsurprised?
The right-wing never ceases to amaze me. Criminalizing speech only drives it underground. When will conservatives learn that social problems are not solvable by throwing more laws and regulations at them? And why is the Holocaust considered the only genocide? What about 10s of millions slaughtered by communist regimes in Russia and China? What about Cambodia and Rwanda?
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To be honest I thought the things covered by that bill were already crimes, at least here. Sounds to me like an excuse to justify their jobs.
Ðavid Wulff What kind of music should programmers listen to?
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkDavid Wulff wrote:
Sounds to me like an excuse to justify their jobs.
Sounds to me like you're avoiding expressing an opinion.