The effect of religion
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Awww... You're ok, i was just having a bit of fun. I sit around listening to stoners argue a lot, and it really gets old. But you're right in that it's a whole lot nicer than watching people get into actual physical fights.
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No conclusions can be reached through the personal experiences of one person, or even of everyone who posts in these forums. I'm atheist but consider myself a very moral person and spend a great deal of mental effort defining that morality, because I believe it to be important to be a responsible adult. And I'm not alone. It would be a mistake to attribute religious conviction as the sole or even major determiner of behavior and life choices; even the most devout religious individuals have been known to live depraved lives.
------------ Cheers, Patrick
Patrick Sears wrote:
I'm atheist but consider myself a very moral person and spend a great deal of mental effort defining that morality, because I believe it to be important to be a responsible adult. And I'm not alone.
I strongly suspect, but certainly cannot prove, that you're more alone than you think. My rationale is that if existence (all forms) truly end for "you" when you die there is little or no reason to live a moral life.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Red Stateler wrote:
Oh, of course not! let's just sweep that little episode under the rug!
That is not what I said. Don't put words in my mouth.
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It is hard enough for Red to put coherent words into his own mouth, so don't come down too hard on him when he tries to put them into yours. At least he has the gist of it.
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[dumb] Anyone who disagrees with him is obviously a stupid leftist gay. :rolleyes: [/dumb]
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Nah, that's Henize. Anyone who disagrees with Red is an athiest. :rolleyes:
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Patrick Sears wrote:
I'm atheist but consider myself a very moral person and spend a great deal of mental effort defining that morality, because I believe it to be important to be a responsible adult. And I'm not alone.
I strongly suspect, but certainly cannot prove, that you're more alone than you think. My rationale is that if existence (all forms) truly end for "you" when you die there is little or no reason to live a moral life.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
He is not alone, not by a long shot.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
My rationale is that if existence (all forms) truly end for "you" when you die there is little or no reason to live a moral life.
What about other people, and your children?
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Le Centriste wrote:
I am talking about the idiots who blow themselves up in the name of Allah
could i ask you what will makes you kill you self ?? don't say idiots , they have the brave to die for what they believe in. i don't understand why in your opinion they are idiots ?? please tell me
When you get mad...THINK twice that the only advice Tamimi - Code
Tamimi - Code wrote:
don't say idiots , they have the brave to die for what they believe in
This is the first time I've seen somebody on CP openly support suicide bombing. X| The bravery to die for something one believes in is something to be admired; cold blooded murder of innocent civilians is not. At least that swine Adnan used to only crawl under his bridge and hide when people confronted him on his views on suicide bombing. And before you go into your 'that infidel hates Muslims :((' mode, let me tell you I'm not an Islamophobe. My views on suicide bombing are the same irrespective of whether the terrorist is a Muslim in Kashmir, a Hindu in Sri Lanka or a Christian in Israel/the Occupied Territories. Every time I come to the Soapbox 'just to read the posts' I see more and more justification in just staying away. :sigh:
Cheers, Vikram.
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He is not alone, not by a long shot.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
My rationale is that if existence (all forms) truly end for "you" when you die there is little or no reason to live a moral life.
What about other people, and your children?
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkDavid Wulff wrote:
What about other people, and your children?
Why would I care about other people in this context? The concept of others would be meaningless and I would adopt the most hedonistic approach to life I could find. I might work to cause no pain but I certainly wouldn't work to be moral. That would give me the latitude to steal, maybe not everything somone has but certainly I could convince myself that it was okay to liberate the excess. Ditto diddling someone's wife. etc.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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David Wulff wrote:
What about other people, and your children?
Why would I care about other people in this context? The concept of others would be meaningless and I would adopt the most hedonistic approach to life I could find. I might work to cause no pain but I certainly wouldn't work to be moral. That would give me the latitude to steal, maybe not everything somone has but certainly I could convince myself that it was okay to liberate the excess. Ditto diddling someone's wife. etc.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
I can say with a fair amount of qualified experience that what you describe has absolutely nothing to do with the lack of religious accountability in atheism. Claiming that religion (and let's not beat around the bush -- you mean your flavour of religion) is required for respect, as well as morals, is absurd. The last 2,000 years is merely a second in man's history and yet both concepts existed firmly before that and in many ways we are not alone in such behaviour. Why don't Christians just counter that unfortunate fact by claming that God gives everyone morals regardless of their free will? Sure people would laugh at you, but at least it would be an understandable opinion to hold. I have never understood the whole 'walled' mentality that many religious people have. What does it achieve? In fact I so am truely, honestly, surprised that you could even begin to consider that it may be valid that, quite simply, I don't believe that you think that for a moment. You are trolling. :|
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Yes, so brave to kill innocent people. They are idiots for believing that is what their religion teaches them. One of the cornerstones of the major religions is be nice to your fellow mankind. But these IDIOTS have twisted the words to fit their own needs and lost the roots of their religion.
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leckey wrote:
One of the cornerstones of the major religions is be nice to your fellow mankind
Fellow Muslims. You read the Quran yet? It's quite clear about the fact that non Muslims are to be treated differently.
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leckey wrote:
One of the cornerstones of the major religions is be nice to your fellow mankind
Fellow Muslims. You read the Quran yet? It's quite clear about the fact that non Muslims are to be treated differently.
Ryan Roberts wrote:
Fellow Muslims. You read the Quran yet? It's quite clear about the fact that non Muslims are to be treated differently.
Jews believe the same thing.
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Tamimi - Code wrote:
don't say idiots , they have the brave to die for what they believe in
This is the first time I've seen somebody on CP openly support suicide bombing. X| The bravery to die for something one believes in is something to be admired; cold blooded murder of innocent civilians is not. At least that swine Adnan used to only crawl under his bridge and hide when people confronted him on his views on suicide bombing. And before you go into your 'that infidel hates Muslims :((' mode, let me tell you I'm not an Islamophobe. My views on suicide bombing are the same irrespective of whether the terrorist is a Muslim in Kashmir, a Hindu in Sri Lanka or a Christian in Israel/the Occupied Territories. Every time I come to the Soapbox 'just to read the posts' I see more and more justification in just staying away. :sigh:
Cheers, Vikram.
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byalmightybobVikram A Punathambekar wrote:
a Christian in Israel/the Occupied Territories
:confused: Vik, there are no Christian bombings in Israel. In fact, there's hardly any Christians in Israel, period. Simply put, the war going on in Israel is between the state of Israel and Muslims that don't want Israel to exist. None of which are Christian -- you'll find Christians and Jews generally get along quite well. See IFCJ[^].
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Ryan Roberts wrote:
Fellow Muslims. You read the Quran yet? It's quite clear about the fact that non Muslims are to be treated differently.
Jews believe the same thing.
Yep. They don't however tend believe that non Jews are to be subjugated, converted or killed, so its much easier to deal. Wouldn't the notion of the 'Elect' among some protestant sects also qualify?
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
a Christian in Israel/the Occupied Territories
:confused: Vik, there are no Christian bombings in Israel. In fact, there's hardly any Christians in Israel, period. Simply put, the war going on in Israel is between the state of Israel and Muslims that don't want Israel to exist. None of which are Christian -- you'll find Christians and Jews generally get along quite well. See IFCJ[^].
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There were a few Marxist terrorists from Christian backgrounds in the PLO I think. I distinctly doubt they were motivated by their religious faith however.
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Yep. They don't however tend believe that non Jews are to be subjugated, converted or killed, so its much easier to deal. Wouldn't the notion of the 'Elect' among some protestant sects also qualify?
Ryan Roberts wrote:
Wouldn't the notion of the 'Elect' among some protestant sects also qualify?
I dunno. Never heard of it.
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Le Centriste wrote:
I am talking about the idiots who blow themselves up in the name of Allah
could i ask you what will makes you kill you self ?? don't say idiots , they have the brave to die for what they believe in. i don't understand why in your opinion they are idiots ?? please tell me
When you get mad...THINK twice that the only advice Tamimi - Code
Tamimi - Code wrote:
they have the brave to die for what they believe in.
Gosh, that's a sad statement. They are wicked enough to kill for what they believe in. They're cowardly enough to kill themselves in the process. Bravery is doing what is right in spite of fear - there's nothing "right" in killing God's children so that your megalomaniacal leader can make it on the evening news. "idiot" is being kind.
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Ryan Roberts wrote:
Wouldn't the notion of the 'Elect' among some protestant sects also qualify?
I dunno. Never heard of it.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
a Christian in Israel/the Occupied Territories
:confused: Vik, there are no Christian bombings in Israel. In fact, there's hardly any Christians in Israel, period. Simply put, the war going on in Israel is between the state of Israel and Muslims that don't want Israel to exist. None of which are Christian -- you'll find Christians and Jews generally get along quite well. See IFCJ[^].
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Judah Himango wrote:
Vik
Vikram. Please. :)
Judah Himango wrote:
Vik, there are no Christian bombings in Israel.
I recall reading somewhere about Hamas and other groups in the ME - a study showed that the number of radical Muslims amongst suicide bombers was not as high as most people think. A few were Christians, and some were Muslims, but not high on the 'militant Islam' scale. I'll be the first to admit I could easily be wrong though. :)
Judah Himango wrote:
the war going on in Israel is between the state of Israel and Muslims that don't want Israel to exist
To a large extent, I agree, but 30 seconds of googling turned up this[^] Doesn't exactly look like the best site for unbiased information, though.
Cheers, Vikram.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
a Christian in Israel/the Occupied Territories
:confused: Vik, there are no Christian bombings in Israel. In fact, there's hardly any Christians in Israel, period. Simply put, the war going on in Israel is between the state of Israel and Muslims that don't want Israel to exist. None of which are Christian -- you'll find Christians and Jews generally get along quite well. See IFCJ[^].
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Judah Himango wrote:
Vik, there are no Christian bombings in Israel.
OK, I found the link[^]. I got the wrong country, though.
In Lebanon in the 1980s, of those suicide attackers, only eight were Islamic fundamentalists. Twenty-seven were Communists and Socialists. Three were Christians.
Cheers, Vikram.
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Patrick Sears wrote:
I'm atheist but consider myself a very moral person and spend a great deal of mental effort defining that morality, because I believe it to be important to be a responsible adult. And I'm not alone.
I strongly suspect, but certainly cannot prove, that you're more alone than you think. My rationale is that if existence (all forms) truly end for "you" when you die there is little or no reason to live a moral life.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
My rationale is that if existence (all forms) truly end for "you" when you die there is little or no reason to live a moral life.
The unspoken assumption here seems to be that the purpose of living a moral life is finally realized at the END of life - that is, the afterlife. If one accepts, however, that what we do here on earth, to each other, matters (and certainly it does, else we wouldn't bother to define morality in the first place) then there is still a place for morality even for those who don't believe in divine reward or punishment. Morality tells us how to live with each other. I should think that to be very, very important during a lifetime.
------------ Cheers, Patrick
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Hmmmm...That's actually the first I've heard of that. I would argue that it differs in that (according to the link) Calvinists don't claim to know who the elect are, so they aren't proclaiming they're chosen. Just that some people are.