The effect of religion
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While my views are largely on Tamimi's blather the same as yours, I find this ridiculous:
Shog9 wrote:
They are wicked enough to kill for what they believe in
Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose, George Washington, and those who opposed Hitler by fighting him were wicked men? :wtf: I think it's honorable to kill for what you believe in, as long as the ones you kill are legitimate targets - a soldier of an occupying nation, a ruthless dictator, and the like. The problem with suicide bombers is that they consider people buying stuff in markets or travelling in buses legitimate targets.
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byalmightybobVikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose, George Washington, and those who opposed Hitler by fighting him were wicked men?
I never really thought about it that way. Possibly because we don't really talk about it that way. I mean, when's the last time you heard someone say, "democracy survived because it's supporters killed enough people"... I get what you're saying - at some point, it does boil down to killing for your beliefs or being killed for them. But i think there's more to it than just "picking legitimate targets". The people we're talking about aren't killing to protect themselves or their families, no matter how much they might think so. The fact that they are not just willing, but determined to die in the process proves that - kinda hard to say you've protected your beliefs if you're dead. As for Washington... it's not quite apt, but i think there's more to the analogy than i'm willing to get into in this thread. Another day...
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Just wanted to come back and say I enjoyed the discussion.
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Chris-Kaiser wrote:
I hate to say it, but he can't be an atheist if he believes Jesus raped his soul.
I hate to say it, but that's obviously a figurative statement coming from an English major. How could Jesus literally rape his soul? In fact, atheists seem eager to claim that Christianity is responsible for the world's ills, so that's perfectly consistent with atheist dogma.
Its not consistent at all. To be atheist, you'd have to deny Jesus, not blame him.
This statement was never false.
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please don't mix the facts................... what iam talking about is just like what the iraqi people do against the foreign enemies. killing women and children is a crime and have no honor in doing that, what happened in University of Virginia is a damn crime. iam not talking about these things.
When you get mad...THINK twice that the only advice Tamimi - Code
Tamimi - Code wrote:
please don't mix the facts................... what iam talking about is just like what the iraqi people do against the foreign enemies.
Hmmmm...Iraq. Like today[^] where 13 Iraqis were killed in a bomb and 32 others wounded? Yes, clearly I'm mixing up my facts. And obviously it's noble for you cavemen to blow up our soldier who's sole goal is to keep you from blowing up eachother. You're pathetic and will get what you deserve.
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I never came to any of those conclusions. What I specifically said is that, given my personal experience, I will continue to oppose legalized marijuana. That's its use or restriction are subject to the democratic desires of the public. Personally, I believe its detrimental to the nation and to individuals. Your experience, being different than mine, might lead you to a different conclusion. That's where democracy comes into play. Of course, since potheads are too lazy to vote, I'll probably always win.
Not a very "conservative" position considering the amount of money this costs and how ineffective it is. I'm thinking that the term conservative here is a misnomer.
This statement was never false.
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I never came to any of those conclusions. What I specifically said is that, given my personal experience, I will continue to oppose legalized marijuana. That's its use or restriction are subject to the democratic desires of the public. Personally, I believe its detrimental to the nation and to individuals. Your experience, being different than mine, might lead you to a different conclusion. That's where democracy comes into play. Of course, since potheads are too lazy to vote, I'll probably always win.
Red Stateler wrote:
That's where democracy comes into play.
Democracy. You mean when the tobacco and cotton lobbyists pushed for its criminality in the early 30s and the then drug czar joining in since he was having such trouble going after the real drugs? And the point that since mostly ethnic groups would be affected it in effect kills two birds with one stone. They made it schedule 1 in that process, and there was nothing democratic about it. Now another point of federalism verses the states is Health Care. 13 states or something like that, have medical laws concerning cannabis that passed democratically, but the federal govt won't allow the states to legislate. This is akin to your Roe vs Wade debate in that democracy is being usurped. So, in the case of Cannabis, Democracy is absent. And the central federal govt has usurped the power from the states.
This statement was never false.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose, George Washington, and those who opposed Hitler by fighting him were wicked men?
I never really thought about it that way. Possibly because we don't really talk about it that way. I mean, when's the last time you heard someone say, "democracy survived because it's supporters killed enough people"... I get what you're saying - at some point, it does boil down to killing for your beliefs or being killed for them. But i think there's more to it than just "picking legitimate targets". The people we're talking about aren't killing to protect themselves or their families, no matter how much they might think so. The fact that they are not just willing, but determined to die in the process proves that - kinda hard to say you've protected your beliefs if you're dead. As for Washington... it's not quite apt, but i think there's more to the analogy than i'm willing to get into in this thread. Another day...
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Shog9 wrote:
I never really thought about it that way.
Glad I was able to give you a different POV. :)
Shog9 wrote:
I mean, when's the last time you heard someone say, "democracy survived because it's supporters killed enough people"...
Simply because most people don't think like that. Just reflect on it, though - how many independence movements succeeded by peaceful means, esp. before 1940? Your own country fought for its independence. Mexico did. All the states of Indo-China did. Indonesia did. Bangladesh did. The countries of South America did. The Arab states did. Those of Africa, by and large, fought for their independence. The only exceptions that come to mind are India from the UK, and South Africa from apartheid. Even Mandela was a Gandhian...
Shog9 wrote:
The fact that they are not just willing, but determined to die
I read that samurai went into battle looking to die - they thought a man looking to escape alive would fight poorly. To reiterate, I think it's honorable to be willing to die for your beliefs, but not if you're going to take down a dozen people shopping for vegetables along with you.
Shog9 wrote:
As for Washington... it's not quite apt, but i think there's more to the analogy than i'm willing to get into in this thread. Another day...
Well, today is another day, and I'd be glad to actually learn something in the SB. :-D
Cheers, Vikram.
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Yeah Lebanon used to be a Catholic nation, believe it or not. Unfortunately, after the last 20 some years of civil war, the nation has been hijacked Islamic fundamentalists, and is now strong-armed by the Party of Allah (Hezbollah).
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Judah Himango wrote:
Yeah Lebanon used to be a Catholic nation
As did Syria. But then, the boundaries of Lebanon and Syria are pretty blurred. An Indian friend of mine living in Oman said most of the countries of the ME were just 'lines drawn in the sand' by the colonial powers. Heck, Syrian Catholicism is big in India.
Judah Himango wrote:
Unfortunately, after the last 20 some years of civil war
Did the civil war last that long? I thought it lasted 12-15 years, not 20+. I happen to know a bit about Lebanon - it's a beautiful country. Unfortunately, it's been torn apart both from within and outside. I'm not a scholar of Gibran's works, but I like some of his writings. Lebanese is the only ME cuisine I find palatable - because they have a LOT of vegetarian dishes. Where'd that drool smiley go?
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Ok Vikram. :) You're right that a small minority of Palestinians are Christians; same goes for Israelis. However, we know the people doing the bombings are Islamic radicals; the whole "Allah ahkbar" thing is a sure giveaway. ;) The groups primarily carrying out the suicide bombings are Hamas, the newly elected Islamic organization whose stated goal is the destruction of Israel, replacing it with an Islamic theocracy, and Al Aqsa Martyr's Brigade, another happy-happy-fun-gang of Palestinian peaceniks. :rolleyes:
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Judah Himango wrote:
However, we know the people doing the bombings are Islamic radicals
In today's world, the vast majority absolutely are. Israel/the Occupied Territories, Jammu and Kashmir, Sept 11 attacks, London, you name it. The only exception I can think of is the LTTE, whose suicide bombers are primarily Tamil socialists from Hindu families.
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Shog9 wrote:
I never really thought about it that way.
Glad I was able to give you a different POV. :)
Shog9 wrote:
I mean, when's the last time you heard someone say, "democracy survived because it's supporters killed enough people"...
Simply because most people don't think like that. Just reflect on it, though - how many independence movements succeeded by peaceful means, esp. before 1940? Your own country fought for its independence. Mexico did. All the states of Indo-China did. Indonesia did. Bangladesh did. The countries of South America did. The Arab states did. Those of Africa, by and large, fought for their independence. The only exceptions that come to mind are India from the UK, and South Africa from apartheid. Even Mandela was a Gandhian...
Shog9 wrote:
The fact that they are not just willing, but determined to die
I read that samurai went into battle looking to die - they thought a man looking to escape alive would fight poorly. To reiterate, I think it's honorable to be willing to die for your beliefs, but not if you're going to take down a dozen people shopping for vegetables along with you.
Shog9 wrote:
As for Washington... it's not quite apt, but i think there's more to the analogy than i'm willing to get into in this thread. Another day...
Well, today is another day, and I'd be glad to actually learn something in the SB. :-D
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byalmightybobVikram A Punathambekar wrote:
To reiterate, I think it's honorable to be willing to die for your beliefs, but not if you're going to take down a dozen people shopping for vegetables along with you.
Well, being willing to die is one thing, killing yourself is another. It's a fine distinction, perhaps... but to me, the former sees his own death as an acceptable cost, while the latter sees death as a noble goal. And yes i'm aware that this belief isn't uncommon, but i don't agree with it at all. If your plan to change the world involves leaving it, then your plan sucks. :rolleyes:
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Well, today is another day, and I'd be glad to actually learn something in the SB.
Fair 'nuff then, this leads into your earlier comments quite nicely. Trite answer: the winners write the history books. Our country was founded by terrorists and insurgents. But, they persevered and won. Our constitution reflects these origins, with specific allowances for the sort of things that we are all too ready to outlaw elsewhere, and specific prohibitions for things that we do elsewhere. Make no mistake - i'm not equating the founders of my republic to the vile dogs that kill innocents in misguided tribute to a false ideology... but there are some similarities; certainly more than our current Gov't would care to reflect on. So, was it worth it? The bloodshed and loss of life, was this a fair price for the nation it bore? I'm not entirely convinced that it was. Certainly there were those at the time who thought it wasn't, and they were driven out. Indeed, our inability to ask or answer this question, apart from "if you enjoy the freedoms you have, then it was worthwhile", strikes me as profoundly sad. But our nation has rarely gone a time without knowing war, and often the reasons for war are far more practical and far less idealistic than those so often ascribed to The Revolution. Perhaps then, i am being unfair to state that it is wrong to kill for your beliefs. After all, you might say that killing an attacker to protect yourself or your family is simply killing for the belief that you and your family should not be dead... Killing to gain or protect land is but killing for the belief that the land should be yours... ...but that's not what i meant, and i apologize if i was trite there as well. When your land is occupied, you attack those occupying it. When your comrade is imprisoned,
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Damn, I agree with everything you just said. However, that doesn't change the fact that my forefathers sacrificed to give me liberty while yours gave you a totalitarian state and a dark age tribalistic culture precisely because they, like you, were not men enough to stand up with backs straight and heads held high to strive for anything more. And even if it succeeds in its goal to destroy the west, Islam will collapse from its own inability to control its urge to destroy. Islam has become nothing but a dark force for death and destruction and if it ever succeeds at destroying everything else it will then turn and destroy itself. It has no future because it has too few men worthy of the name.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Damn, I agree with everything you just said.
I know where were you coming from, this is why i clarified how you idiots brought up lame tings like fascism,terrorism etc which so far have not worked yet.
Stan Shannon wrote:
And even if it succeeds in its goal to destroy the west, Islam will collapse from its own inability to control its urge to destroy. Islam has become nothing but a dark force for death and destruction and if it ever succeeds at destroying everything else it will then turn and destroy itself. It has no future because it has too few men worthy of the name.
Destiny says something else Uncle. contact your priests rather rubbing your ass here for fruitless argument. As I said, no matter whateva you do, do remember that Islam is not communism[a faithless cult]. The more you play against it,more people will be leaving you.
Stan Shannon wrote:
like you, were not men enough to stand up with backs straight and heads held high to strive for anything more.
it seems you have forgot crusades or wait.. you do remember it this is why you guys are still frustrated. Have fun dude!
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
To reiterate, I think it's honorable to be willing to die for your beliefs, but not if you're going to take down a dozen people shopping for vegetables along with you.
Well, being willing to die is one thing, killing yourself is another. It's a fine distinction, perhaps... but to me, the former sees his own death as an acceptable cost, while the latter sees death as a noble goal. And yes i'm aware that this belief isn't uncommon, but i don't agree with it at all. If your plan to change the world involves leaving it, then your plan sucks. :rolleyes:
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Well, today is another day, and I'd be glad to actually learn something in the SB.
Fair 'nuff then, this leads into your earlier comments quite nicely. Trite answer: the winners write the history books. Our country was founded by terrorists and insurgents. But, they persevered and won. Our constitution reflects these origins, with specific allowances for the sort of things that we are all too ready to outlaw elsewhere, and specific prohibitions for things that we do elsewhere. Make no mistake - i'm not equating the founders of my republic to the vile dogs that kill innocents in misguided tribute to a false ideology... but there are some similarities; certainly more than our current Gov't would care to reflect on. So, was it worth it? The bloodshed and loss of life, was this a fair price for the nation it bore? I'm not entirely convinced that it was. Certainly there were those at the time who thought it wasn't, and they were driven out. Indeed, our inability to ask or answer this question, apart from "if you enjoy the freedoms you have, then it was worthwhile", strikes me as profoundly sad. But our nation has rarely gone a time without knowing war, and often the reasons for war are far more practical and far less idealistic than those so often ascribed to The Revolution. Perhaps then, i am being unfair to state that it is wrong to kill for your beliefs. After all, you might say that killing an attacker to protect yourself or your family is simply killing for the belief that you and your family should not be dead... Killing to gain or protect land is but killing for the belief that the land should be yours... ...but that's not what i meant, and i apologize if i was trite there as well. When your land is occupied, you attack those occupying it. When your comrade is imprisoned,
Shog9 wrote:
the former sees his own death as an acceptable cost, while the latter sees death as a noble goal.
Point taken. I think we are essentially looking at the same thing, albeit from different angles. :) As for the rest of your post about America, Josh, I'm speechless. It's rare to come across somebody with such clarity, honesty, and the ability to *think* for oneself. I'm so sick of "America is the only free country" and "Americans are evil and must be converted to Islam" and similar bile. You, sir, have an admirer.
Cheers, Vikram.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Even JEWS Don't want Israel to be existed. I hope yo know the difference between zions and real jews.
That's simply not true, Adnan. I'm a real Jew, and I want Israel to exist. I speak for a vast majority of Jews. There are s tiny minority of anti-semitic Jews who hate the Jewish idea, Jewish principles, and the Jewish state. The world never seems short of dumb people. But don't add yourself to that list by claiming such people represent a majority of Jews. We Jews *want* Israel to exist. Understand? We will fight to keep our independence and freedom from your Islamic theocracy and oppressive dhimmitude.
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Judah Himango wrote:
I'm a real Jew,
do you want to say tha you are JEW and guys[NKUSA] are not jews or anti Bible? seems a big claim!! If you are a jew then who are zions? do you support zionism? bible doesn't support Zionism does it? if both are different then why motive of you and those zionist extreemist is same?
Judah Himango wrote:
We Jews *want* Israel to exist
Being a believer I believe that it's in your and my hand to decide. It doesn't matter what you want, what's written will be performed. You guys even didn't want to get exiled hundred of years ago but then you got lost and wanderd here and there on earth. It's not in your hand dude and you should know it very well.
Judah Himango wrote:
We will fight to keep our independence and freedom from your Islamic theocracy
so you are dreaming for jewish thecracy? :-). We as Muslims were already told that Children of ISrael will be fighting us back. We were already told that we would face tough time from their hand but then we were already told jews would get let down in the end. As I said, destiny is something else. Despite of all forces against Islam[Neocons,Zions,muslim traitors etc etc etc], Islam is still spreading no matter you call it a terrorist religion or fascism,it's spreading. Ever wonder why is it happening? just ponder once! Ask your genuine Rabbis[not retard psuedo scholars] about it and they would tell you why a nation which is not even united itself and facing infinite external pressure by non-muslims as well as by muslim lefts still exist on earth. Read your sacred books as it might help you to find out the answer. A nation[jews] which was blessed infinite times by God and then same nation who killed several prophets sound lame to deserve something good from God.Very illogical and insane idea.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Even JEWS Don't want Israel to be existed. I hope yo know the difference between zions and real jews.
That's simply not true, Adnan. I'm a real Jew, and I want Israel to exist. I speak for a vast majority of Jews. There are s tiny minority of anti-semitic Jews who hate the Jewish idea, Jewish principles, and the Jewish state. The world never seems short of dumb people. But don't add yourself to that list by claiming such people represent a majority of Jews. We Jews *want* Israel to exist. Understand? We will fight to keep our independence and freedom from your Islamic theocracy and oppressive dhimmitude.
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Judah Himango wrote:
We Jews *want* Israel to exist. Understand? We will fight to keep our independence and freedom from your Islamic theocracy and oppressive dhimmitude.
From the comfort of the states? I'm not intentionally trolling here. One of my best friends is Jewish and an American citizen now, and he always says his first allegience is to the Jewish state. He's not religious at all. But he says that if they were really in trouble he'd fly over there and fight for the cause. Although, so far, nothing has been serious enough for him to act on it. Why not move to Israel if you feel that strongly about it? If you identify with the State of Israel more than America, why live here and not there? This has always confused me. Only half of my Jewish friends express this though, and largely they are the ones that immigrated here. This guy in particular came through the expulsion from Russia back in the 80s. He landed in Italy and they had the choice to go to Israel or Minnesota. They chose Minnesota. Dunno... some inconsistencies there.
This statement was never false.
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Shog9 wrote:
the former sees his own death as an acceptable cost, while the latter sees death as a noble goal.
Point taken. I think we are essentially looking at the same thing, albeit from different angles. :) As for the rest of your post about America, Josh, I'm speechless. It's rare to come across somebody with such clarity, honesty, and the ability to *think* for oneself. I'm so sick of "America is the only free country" and "Americans are evil and must be converted to Islam" and similar bile. You, sir, have an admirer.
Cheers, Vikram.
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byalmightybobVikram A Punathambekar wrote:
It's rare to come across somebody with such clarity, honesty, and the ability to *think* for oneself.
Heh, thanks. It's not that uncommon, once you get past the shrill voices. I had a similar discussion with my landlord the other day, a veteran and hardly a fan of Islam - but he didn't hesitate to note the similarities between the current situation in Iraq and that of the American Colonies after the French and Indian War, which left us suffering under a British Army occupation and heavy debt. IMHO, it's the freedom to discuss these things openly that makes the US such a great place to live.
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The title- I don't understand why are you bringing me in the middle. I ask again what's relation of my point of view with the other guy?
I think they are referencing the fact that you hold a somewhat extreme position on Islam and its relation to the rest of the world. Hence, this is almost an acceptance of you. Although that might be a stretch.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Damn, I agree with everything you just said.
I know where were you coming from, this is why i clarified how you idiots brought up lame tings like fascism,terrorism etc which so far have not worked yet.
Stan Shannon wrote:
And even if it succeeds in its goal to destroy the west, Islam will collapse from its own inability to control its urge to destroy. Islam has become nothing but a dark force for death and destruction and if it ever succeeds at destroying everything else it will then turn and destroy itself. It has no future because it has too few men worthy of the name.
Destiny says something else Uncle. contact your priests rather rubbing your ass here for fruitless argument. As I said, no matter whateva you do, do remember that Islam is not communism[a faithless cult]. The more you play against it,more people will be leaving you.
Stan Shannon wrote:
like you, were not men enough to stand up with backs straight and heads held high to strive for anything more.
it seems you have forgot crusades or wait.. you do remember it this is why you guys are still frustrated. Have fun dude!
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
it seems you have forgot crusades or wait.. you do remember it this is why you guys are still frustrated. Have fun dude!
You know, historically, winning the crusades was the worst thing that ever happened to Islam and losing them the best thing that ever happened to Europe. But, hey, I'm happy you have that one little bright spot in your history.
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Judah Himango wrote:
We Jews *want* Israel to exist. Understand? We will fight to keep our independence and freedom from your Islamic theocracy and oppressive dhimmitude.
From the comfort of the states? I'm not intentionally trolling here. One of my best friends is Jewish and an American citizen now, and he always says his first allegience is to the Jewish state. He's not religious at all. But he says that if they were really in trouble he'd fly over there and fight for the cause. Although, so far, nothing has been serious enough for him to act on it. Why not move to Israel if you feel that strongly about it? If you identify with the State of Israel more than America, why live here and not there? This has always confused me. Only half of my Jewish friends express this though, and largely they are the ones that immigrated here. This guy in particular came through the expulsion from Russia back in the 80s. He landed in Italy and they had the choice to go to Israel or Minnesota. They chose Minnesota. Dunno... some inconsistencies there.
This statement was never false.
Chris-Kaiser wrote:
Why not move to Israel if you feel that strongly about it?
My brother is moving to Israel and joining the IDF this summer. I've always wanted to live there, however, there are barriers: I'd need to find a job, a place to live, a language I barely speak, not to mention I have a wife and a son. Combine that with the fact that I believe that Jesus is the Messiah of Israel, which is frowned upon and overrides Israel's "right of return" policy for ethnic Jews, making it harder to immigrate there. That said, I do believe I will move to the land at some point in my life.
Chris-Kaiser wrote:
they had the choice to go to Israel or Minnesota. They chose Minnesota
Poor choice, IMO (I say that as a Minnesotan myself :)). Of course, Minnesota isn't hit by crazy Islamic terrorism every week, so I can't blame people for that.
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73Zeppelin wrote:
It actually doesn't matter, the point being that he was religious and not athiest. For the record, it was a presbyterian church. Seeing as athiests don't go to church, Cho was a Christian.
Ummmm....You just said his parents made him go to church. Also, why would a Christian quote the Koran, as you said? Why would a Christian claim that Jesus "raped his soul"? Why would he admire the Columbine kids, who were noted atheists?
Dude ;P a) I can admire people of most (anti-)religions, provided they say/do smart things. b) The bible and the qur'an both, when taken in correct contexts/extracts, say fine things. In other words, am I a christian if I quote the bible saying "love your neighbour as yourself" and saying IMHO that's a good idea? Am I then in the next breath non-christian if I quote <insert philosophical work of choice>?
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Judah Himango wrote:
I'm a real Jew,
do you want to say tha you are JEW and guys[NKUSA] are not jews or anti Bible? seems a big claim!! If you are a jew then who are zions? do you support zionism? bible doesn't support Zionism does it? if both are different then why motive of you and those zionist extreemist is same?
Judah Himango wrote:
We Jews *want* Israel to exist
Being a believer I believe that it's in your and my hand to decide. It doesn't matter what you want, what's written will be performed. You guys even didn't want to get exiled hundred of years ago but then you got lost and wanderd here and there on earth. It's not in your hand dude and you should know it very well.
Judah Himango wrote:
We will fight to keep our independence and freedom from your Islamic theocracy
so you are dreaming for jewish thecracy? :-). We as Muslims were already told that Children of ISrael will be fighting us back. We were already told that we would face tough time from their hand but then we were already told jews would get let down in the end. As I said, destiny is something else. Despite of all forces against Islam[Neocons,Zions,muslim traitors etc etc etc], Islam is still spreading no matter you call it a terrorist religion or fascism,it's spreading. Ever wonder why is it happening? just ponder once! Ask your genuine Rabbis[not retard psuedo scholars] about it and they would tell you why a nation which is not even united itself and facing infinite external pressure by non-muslims as well as by muslim lefts still exist on earth. Read your sacred books as it might help you to find out the answer. A nation[jews] which was blessed infinite times by God and then same nation who killed several prophets sound lame to deserve something good from God.Very illogical and insane idea.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
If you are a jew then who are zions?
Zions? I've never heard of that. Zion refers to Jerusalem, which is the historic capital of Israel. Zionists, you mean? Zionists are those that believe Israel belongs to the Jews, and yes, I believe that absolutely -- it is the only homeland for Jews for the last 3500 some years.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
bible doesn't support Zionism does it?
Not only the Bible, but the Qur'an[^] as[^] well[^]. Here's another one just for fun[^].
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Ever wonder why is it happening?
Ever wonder how a tiny nation the size of New Jersey fought off 7 Islamic invaders and not only won, but actually wiped out almost the entire Egyptian military and gained Golan Heights, the Sinai Peninsula, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip. (Though technically, those were ours to begin with. You guys just lost them in the war when you invaded us.)
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
A nation[jews] which was blessed infinite times by God and then same nation who killed several prophets sound lame to deserve something good from God.Very illogical and insane idea.
God being merciful is hardly insane. The Scriptures, both Jewish and Christian together, are filled with Jews rebelling against God in one way or another. But if God said, "that's it, I'm done with you forever.", he would be a liar and would've broken his covenant with Israel, a covenant that Islam acknowledges. What I find truly telling is the creation of these books and the founding of these religions: The Jewish Scripture is primarily about Moses leading Israel out of slavery, and additionally, God's great mercy and forgiv