The effect of religion
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73Zeppelin wrote:
It actually doesn't matter, the point being that he was religious and not athiest. For the record, it was a presbyterian church. Seeing as athiests don't go to church, Cho was a Christian.
Ummmm....You just said his parents made him go to church. Also, why would a Christian quote the Koran, as you said? Why would a Christian claim that Jesus "raped his soul"? Why would he admire the Columbine kids, who were noted atheists?
Dude ;P a) I can admire people of most (anti-)religions, provided they say/do smart things. b) The bible and the qur'an both, when taken in correct contexts/extracts, say fine things. In other words, am I a christian if I quote the bible saying "love your neighbour as yourself" and saying IMHO that's a good idea? Am I then in the next breath non-christian if I quote <insert philosophical work of choice>?
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Judah Himango wrote:
I'm a real Jew,
do you want to say tha you are JEW and guys[NKUSA] are not jews or anti Bible? seems a big claim!! If you are a jew then who are zions? do you support zionism? bible doesn't support Zionism does it? if both are different then why motive of you and those zionist extreemist is same?
Judah Himango wrote:
We Jews *want* Israel to exist
Being a believer I believe that it's in your and my hand to decide. It doesn't matter what you want, what's written will be performed. You guys even didn't want to get exiled hundred of years ago but then you got lost and wanderd here and there on earth. It's not in your hand dude and you should know it very well.
Judah Himango wrote:
We will fight to keep our independence and freedom from your Islamic theocracy
so you are dreaming for jewish thecracy? :-). We as Muslims were already told that Children of ISrael will be fighting us back. We were already told that we would face tough time from their hand but then we were already told jews would get let down in the end. As I said, destiny is something else. Despite of all forces against Islam[Neocons,Zions,muslim traitors etc etc etc], Islam is still spreading no matter you call it a terrorist religion or fascism,it's spreading. Ever wonder why is it happening? just ponder once! Ask your genuine Rabbis[not retard psuedo scholars] about it and they would tell you why a nation which is not even united itself and facing infinite external pressure by non-muslims as well as by muslim lefts still exist on earth. Read your sacred books as it might help you to find out the answer. A nation[jews] which was blessed infinite times by God and then same nation who killed several prophets sound lame to deserve something good from God.Very illogical and insane idea.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
If you are a jew then who are zions?
Zions? I've never heard of that. Zion refers to Jerusalem, which is the historic capital of Israel. Zionists, you mean? Zionists are those that believe Israel belongs to the Jews, and yes, I believe that absolutely -- it is the only homeland for Jews for the last 3500 some years.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
bible doesn't support Zionism does it?
Not only the Bible, but the Qur'an[^] as[^] well[^]. Here's another one just for fun[^].
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Ever wonder why is it happening?
Ever wonder how a tiny nation the size of New Jersey fought off 7 Islamic invaders and not only won, but actually wiped out almost the entire Egyptian military and gained Golan Heights, the Sinai Peninsula, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip. (Though technically, those were ours to begin with. You guys just lost them in the war when you invaded us.)
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
A nation[jews] which was blessed infinite times by God and then same nation who killed several prophets sound lame to deserve something good from God.Very illogical and insane idea.
God being merciful is hardly insane. The Scriptures, both Jewish and Christian together, are filled with Jews rebelling against God in one way or another. But if God said, "that's it, I'm done with you forever.", he would be a liar and would've broken his covenant with Israel, a covenant that Islam acknowledges. What I find truly telling is the creation of these books and the founding of these religions: The Jewish Scripture is primarily about Moses leading Israel out of slavery, and additionally, God's great mercy and forgiv
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Judah Himango wrote:
However, we know the people doing the bombings are Islamic radicals
In today's world, the vast majority absolutely are. Israel/the Occupied Territories, Jammu and Kashmir, Sept 11 attacks, London, you name it. The only exception I can think of is the LTTE, whose suicide bombers are primarily Tamil socialists from Hindu families.
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byalmightybobVikram A Punathambekar wrote:
In today's world, the vast majority absolutely are.
Right.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Israel/the Occupied Territories
Man, that's not right, calling them the occupied territories. The land of Israel has been the only Jewish homeland for 3500+ years. Even the pieces that are contested (in particular, the West Bank, the Golan Heights, Gush Katif, the Sinai Peninsula, the Gaza Strip) we didn't take offensively -- we took those lands after we were invaded by 7 Islamic neighbors (citation[^]). Even of those contested lands, we've given back a much of; for example, all of Sinai now belongs to Egypt. Hell, just the other summer we forced 8000+ Jews out of their homes, handing it over to the Palestinians (citation[^]). Unfortunately, 8000 Jews aren't enough for the evil, death-loving Islamic Hamas -- the ruling Palestinian party. They don't want a Palestinian state -- they want no Jews in Israel. Given that Israel is the only Jewish homeland for the last 3-4 thousand years, calling Israelis "occupiers" is as silly as calling the native Americans "occupiers", as dumb as saying Indians are "occupying" British India. It's sad that Islamics who want Israel destroyed have repeated this "occupier" lie enough that some people believe it. It's offensive to me, frankly.
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I'll give you an honest answer. In our culture, the taking on one's life is considered cowardice and childish. Why? Because we see that there is virtue in dealing with the problems one has in life and that suicide is the easy way out. Personally, I agree with this unapologetically. I see people who kill themselves as childish and weak; the world is probably a better place without them.
Chris Austin wrote:
Personally, I agree with this unapologetically. I see people who kill themselves as childish and weak; the world is probably a better place without them.
Having had a close family member take thier own life all I can say is you dont have a fucking clue.
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Judah Himango wrote:
Yeah Lebanon used to be a Catholic nation
As did Syria. But then, the boundaries of Lebanon and Syria are pretty blurred. An Indian friend of mine living in Oman said most of the countries of the ME were just 'lines drawn in the sand' by the colonial powers. Heck, Syrian Catholicism is big in India.
Judah Himango wrote:
Unfortunately, after the last 20 some years of civil war
Did the civil war last that long? I thought it lasted 12-15 years, not 20+. I happen to know a bit about Lebanon - it's a beautiful country. Unfortunately, it's been torn apart both from within and outside. I'm not a scholar of Gibran's works, but I like some of his writings. Lebanese is the only ME cuisine I find palatable - because they have a LOT of vegetarian dishes. Where'd that drool smiley go?
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byalmightybobVikram A Punathambekar wrote:
I thought it lasted 12-15 years, not 20+
Mmm...I was just shooting an estimate. It seems there's still a struggle between Hezbollah and the government there, but officially, I see Wikipedia has the civil war starting in 1975 and ending in 1990, so that'd be 15 years like you said.
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Chris Austin wrote:
Personally, I agree with this unapologetically. I see people who kill themselves as childish and weak; the world is probably a better place without them.
Having had a close family member take thier own life all I can say is you dont have a fucking clue.
Having had the same, I do have a fucking clue and I don't apologize for it.
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Having had the same, I do have a fucking clue and I don't apologize for it.
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Chris Austin wrote:
Having had the same, I do have a f****ing clue and I don't apologize for it.
You sugest that the world is a better place without my family member. Fuck you, you dont have a fucking clue, cunt. The world would be a better place without you ya cunt.
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Chris Austin wrote:
Having had the same, I do have a f****ing clue and I don't apologize for it.
You sugest that the world is a better place without my family member. Fuck you, you dont have a fucking clue, cunt. The world would be a better place without you ya cunt.
Real mature there. Kiss your mother with that mouth? And I didn't suggest, I stated it. And, this conversation is done as far as I am concerned. I don't have the energy to spend on children who can only respond with curses and insults.
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Real mature there. Kiss your mother with that mouth? And I didn't suggest, I stated it. And, this conversation is done as far as I am concerned. I don't have the energy to spend on children who can only respond with curses and insults.
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Real mature there. Kiss your mother with that mouth? And I didn't suggest, I stated it. And, this conversation is done as far as I am concerned. I don't have the energy to spend on children who can only respond with curses and insults.
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You know, I like this place and I've learnt to take it with a grain of salt over the last few years but your comments really upset me, I guess you struck a very raw nerve. If your experience with suicide was anything like mine then I guess you might understand why I feel that way and why I reacted the way I did, if not then fine. The question 'why?' is something that can never be answered, to dismiss it with "well they are weak and we've better off without them" is one way of dealing with it I guess. Just not my way. Its also pretty bloody offensive.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
In today's world, the vast majority absolutely are.
Right.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Israel/the Occupied Territories
Man, that's not right, calling them the occupied territories. The land of Israel has been the only Jewish homeland for 3500+ years. Even the pieces that are contested (in particular, the West Bank, the Golan Heights, Gush Katif, the Sinai Peninsula, the Gaza Strip) we didn't take offensively -- we took those lands after we were invaded by 7 Islamic neighbors (citation[^]). Even of those contested lands, we've given back a much of; for example, all of Sinai now belongs to Egypt. Hell, just the other summer we forced 8000+ Jews out of their homes, handing it over to the Palestinians (citation[^]). Unfortunately, 8000 Jews aren't enough for the evil, death-loving Islamic Hamas -- the ruling Palestinian party. They don't want a Palestinian state -- they want no Jews in Israel. Given that Israel is the only Jewish homeland for the last 3-4 thousand years, calling Israelis "occupiers" is as silly as calling the native Americans "occupiers", as dumb as saying Indians are "occupying" British India. It's sad that Islamics who want Israel destroyed have repeated this "occupier" lie enough that some people believe it. It's offensive to me, frankly.
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Judah Himango wrote:
Man, that's not right
I don't think anybody recognizes them as sovereign Israeli territory. Wikipedia says the UNSC and the ICJ consider these areas 'occupied'. What do you think the West Bank and Gaza should be called?
Judah Himango wrote:
Given that Israel is the only Jewish homeland for the last 3-4 thousand years, calling Israelis "occupiers"
I am not saying all of Israel is occupied - it *is* a sovereign nation which deserves to exist as any other. It is the West Bank and Gaza under Israeli control that I refer to as 'occupied'.
Judah Himango wrote:
as dumb as saying Indians are "occupying" British India
Wrong analogy - the British, as a colonial power, were the occupiers of India. Don't get me wrong - I'm an admirer of Israel and consider it one of India's friends. However, that doesn't blind me to what Israel does, or even what India does. :)
Cheers, Vikram.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
If you are a jew then who are zions?
Zions? I've never heard of that. Zion refers to Jerusalem, which is the historic capital of Israel. Zionists, you mean? Zionists are those that believe Israel belongs to the Jews, and yes, I believe that absolutely -- it is the only homeland for Jews for the last 3500 some years.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
bible doesn't support Zionism does it?
Not only the Bible, but the Qur'an[^] as[^] well[^]. Here's another one just for fun[^].
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Ever wonder why is it happening?
Ever wonder how a tiny nation the size of New Jersey fought off 7 Islamic invaders and not only won, but actually wiped out almost the entire Egyptian military and gained Golan Heights, the Sinai Peninsula, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip. (Though technically, those were ours to begin with. You guys just lost them in the war when you invaded us.)
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
A nation[jews] which was blessed infinite times by God and then same nation who killed several prophets sound lame to deserve something good from God.Very illogical and insane idea.
God being merciful is hardly insane. The Scriptures, both Jewish and Christian together, are filled with Jews rebelling against God in one way or another. But if God said, "that's it, I'm done with you forever.", he would be a liar and would've broken his covenant with Israel, a covenant that Islam acknowledges. What I find truly telling is the creation of these books and the founding of these religions: The Jewish Scripture is primarily about Moses leading Israel out of slavery, and additionally, God's great mercy and forgiv
Judah Himango wrote:
Zions? I've never heard of that. Zion refers to Jerusalem, which is the historic capital of Israel.
yep! same[^].Are these not zions? a/c to definition these ain't jews. do you agree with the definition?
Judah Himango wrote:
how a tiny nation
Tiny? you can't say yourself tiny. Before 1948, you were being backed by other nations. DO remeber that you guys couldnt grab land unless you were not backed by US and Uk. That's other thing your lobby was powerful that time as well to convince those people to favor for a "Promised" land. Israelities can't be compared with muslims. Unlike muslims you guys have everything organized to propagate your religion or religious agenda in world. It's very insane that you called yourself tiny.
Judah Himango wrote:
You guys just lost them in the war when you invaded us.)
I don't have knowledge about which "seven islamic invaders" are you referring here. All I know that when our 2nd Caliph Umar[RA] conqured Jeruslem without any fight and took care of your people. Even Jewish History admit that. The 2nd big war I remember was crusade which was started by Bible followers who than got lost in the hands of Saladin. Now I know it was frustrated for jews and Christians this why they spreaded things tht Islam spread by Sword which doesnt hold water. Islam is spreading today is for precisely the same reasons it spread back then: conquest and forced conversion. You're carrying along in Muhammad's footsteps just fine *yawn*-This is some prpaganda we have been hearing for long time. Lets I agree here for sake of argument that Islam spreds with sword only. If that is true then why its Spreading NOW? unlike past we dont have emos. we have been invaded everywhere by so called beloved children of israels . we were blamed for 9/11 and was tried to create haterd against Islam but by grace of God, the thing happened in reverse order, as it's Quran that They planned and Allah planned and Allah is the best planner, so things happened in more favor of us. Today Islam is not being spreaded by Muslims but rather non-muslims. Too much propaganda was done against Islam on Media and everywhere. The human natur
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
In today's world, the vast majority absolutely are.
Right.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Israel/the Occupied Territories
Man, that's not right, calling them the occupied territories. The land of Israel has been the only Jewish homeland for 3500+ years. Even the pieces that are contested (in particular, the West Bank, the Golan Heights, Gush Katif, the Sinai Peninsula, the Gaza Strip) we didn't take offensively -- we took those lands after we were invaded by 7 Islamic neighbors (citation[^]). Even of those contested lands, we've given back a much of; for example, all of Sinai now belongs to Egypt. Hell, just the other summer we forced 8000+ Jews out of their homes, handing it over to the Palestinians (citation[^]). Unfortunately, 8000 Jews aren't enough for the evil, death-loving Islamic Hamas -- the ruling Palestinian party. They don't want a Palestinian state -- they want no Jews in Israel. Given that Israel is the only Jewish homeland for the last 3-4 thousand years, calling Israelis "occupiers" is as silly as calling the native Americans "occupiers", as dumb as saying Indians are "occupying" British India. It's sad that Islamics who want Israel destroyed have repeated this "occupier" lie enough that some people believe it. It's offensive to me, frankly.
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But it is occupied territory and no amount of sophistry will change it. By your logic we should be returning the US to the Native Americans. Answer me one question. Who was displaced when Israel was returned? And did they have no right to be there? Hell, just the other summer we forced 8000+ Jews out of their homes, handing it over to the Palestinians (citation[^]). Unfortunately, 8000 Jews aren't enough for the evil, death-loving Islamic Hamas -- the ruling Palestinian party. They don't want a Palestinian state -- they want no Jews in Israel. If you continually color your language thus, then its also apparent you don't want a Palestinian state either. Given that Israel is the only Jewish homeland for the last 3-4 thousand years, calling Israelis "occupiers" is as silly as calling the native Americans "occupiers", as dumb as saying Indians are "occupying" British India. It's sad that Islamics who want Israel destroyed have repeated this "occupier" lie enough that some people believe it. It's offensive to me, frankly. Truth often is offensive. But the truth is that the Palestinians have to also have a homeland. I also remember reading in the bible that the Palestinians have been there about as long. So, claiming 3000 years of territorial crap doesn't interest me. They have a right to exist. You have a right to exist. Yet, there are roads where only Jewish people can travel within Palestinian borders. Those Settlements you are referring to as "being forced from their homes" shouldn't have been nabbed to begin with. I really is a prison for Palestinians, so tell me again how its not occupied?
This statement was never false.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
If you are a jew then who are zions?
Zions? I've never heard of that. Zion refers to Jerusalem, which is the historic capital of Israel. Zionists, you mean? Zionists are those that believe Israel belongs to the Jews, and yes, I believe that absolutely -- it is the only homeland for Jews for the last 3500 some years.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
bible doesn't support Zionism does it?
Not only the Bible, but the Qur'an[^] as[^] well[^]. Here's another one just for fun[^].
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Ever wonder why is it happening?
Ever wonder how a tiny nation the size of New Jersey fought off 7 Islamic invaders and not only won, but actually wiped out almost the entire Egyptian military and gained Golan Heights, the Sinai Peninsula, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip. (Though technically, those were ours to begin with. You guys just lost them in the war when you invaded us.)
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
A nation[jews] which was blessed infinite times by God and then same nation who killed several prophets sound lame to deserve something good from God.Very illogical and insane idea.
God being merciful is hardly insane. The Scriptures, both Jewish and Christian together, are filled with Jews rebelling against God in one way or another. But if God said, "that's it, I'm done with you forever.", he would be a liar and would've broken his covenant with Israel, a covenant that Islam acknowledges. What I find truly telling is the creation of these books and the founding of these religions: The Jewish Scripture is primarily about Moses leading Israel out of slavery, and additionally, God's great mercy and forgiv
Judah Himango wrote:
(Though technically, those were ours to begin with. You guys just lost them in the war when you invaded us.)
Just one question. Have you ever lived in Israel? Oh yeah, and technically, Allah is the same God, just a different culture's interpretation. Anyone preaching "one god" is talking about the same one even if their interpretation is skewed.
This statement was never false.
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Chris-Kaiser wrote:
Why not move to Israel if you feel that strongly about it?
My brother is moving to Israel and joining the IDF this summer. I've always wanted to live there, however, there are barriers: I'd need to find a job, a place to live, a language I barely speak, not to mention I have a wife and a son. Combine that with the fact that I believe that Jesus is the Messiah of Israel, which is frowned upon and overrides Israel's "right of return" policy for ethnic Jews, making it harder to immigrate there. That said, I do believe I will move to the land at some point in my life.
Chris-Kaiser wrote:
they had the choice to go to Israel or Minnesota. They chose Minnesota
Poor choice, IMO (I say that as a Minnesotan myself :)). Of course, Minnesota isn't hit by crazy Islamic terrorism every week, so I can't blame people for that.
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Fair enough. I just find it interesting. I'd never consider myself German. Nor Irish, nor English, from the perspective of nationality even though I descend from these country's peoples. I'm an American.
This statement was never false.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Are you 'in line' with anything?
Probably not. It depends how many people agree with me exactly and whether there are enough of us to form a movement. Then I might be in lline with something.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
fat_boy wrote:
It depends how many people agree with me exactly and whether there are enough of us to form a movement.
You mean kind of like the principle that 'religion is bad'? That kind of a movement?
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But it is occupied territory and no amount of sophistry will change it. By your logic we should be returning the US to the Native Americans. Answer me one question. Who was displaced when Israel was returned? And did they have no right to be there? Hell, just the other summer we forced 8000+ Jews out of their homes, handing it over to the Palestinians (citation[^]). Unfortunately, 8000 Jews aren't enough for the evil, death-loving Islamic Hamas -- the ruling Palestinian party. They don't want a Palestinian state -- they want no Jews in Israel. If you continually color your language thus, then its also apparent you don't want a Palestinian state either. Given that Israel is the only Jewish homeland for the last 3-4 thousand years, calling Israelis "occupiers" is as silly as calling the native Americans "occupiers", as dumb as saying Indians are "occupying" British India. It's sad that Islamics who want Israel destroyed have repeated this "occupier" lie enough that some people believe it. It's offensive to me, frankly. Truth often is offensive. But the truth is that the Palestinians have to also have a homeland. I also remember reading in the bible that the Palestinians have been there about as long. So, claiming 3000 years of territorial crap doesn't interest me. They have a right to exist. You have a right to exist. Yet, there are roads where only Jewish people can travel within Palestinian borders. Those Settlements you are referring to as "being forced from their homes" shouldn't have been nabbed to begin with. I really is a prison for Palestinians, so tell me again how its not occupied?
This statement was never false.
Chris-Kaiser wrote:
I also remember reading in the bible that the Palestinians have been there about as long.
Maybe you're thinking of Philistines, not Palestinians? I've said it before, the term "Palestinian" is like the term "Wiccan": it sounds ancient, but is actually a recent invention. Modern Palestinians are largely ex-Jordanian refugees, booted out of the country in 1929. This is gonna be a short reply -- wife is saying "let's go!" so I'll just post this so far, maybe reply again later. :) Take care Chris.
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