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  • T Tristan Rhodes

    Doesn't look like it's cross platform. :S

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    CPallini
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    You cry for the moon! :)

    If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.

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    • T Tom Welch

      "Well yes, it is an Integer, but it's a metrosexual Integer. For all we know, under all that hair gel it could be a Boolean."

      A severed foot is the ultimate stocking stuffer. - Mitch Hedberg

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      Paul Conrad
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      Tom Welch wrote:

      it is an Integer, but it's a metrosexual Integer. For all we know, under all that hair gel it could be a Boolean

      :laugh::laugh::laugh:

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      • P Pete OHanlon

        There's no such thing as strong typing. It's all just a bunch of 1s and 0s.

        Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.

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        John R Shaw
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        Wrong! Unless you are talking about how hard you hit the keys on your keyboard.

        INTP "Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence."Edsger Dijkstra

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        • T Tristan Rhodes

          "Don't bother with it, waste of time." :wtf:

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          John R Shaw
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          What are you talking about? If you are talking about variable type checking in C++, then you are wrong. I wish C was as tight with its type checking. Then again I wish C would allow me to declare a variable where ever I wanted too, instead of forcing me to create a new scope. P.S. I liked C, but I love C++.

          INTP "Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence."Edsger Dijkstra

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          • J John R Shaw

            What are you talking about? If you are talking about variable type checking in C++, then you are wrong. I wish C was as tight with its type checking. Then again I wish C would allow me to declare a variable where ever I wanted too, instead of forcing me to create a new scope. P.S. I liked C, but I love C++.

            INTP "Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence."Edsger Dijkstra

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            Paul Conrad
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            John R. Shaw wrote:

            What are you talking about?

            I am not sure either...

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            • J John R Shaw

              What are you talking about? If you are talking about variable type checking in C++, then you are wrong. I wish C was as tight with its type checking. Then again I wish C would allow me to declare a variable where ever I wanted too, instead of forcing me to create a new scope. P.S. I liked C, but I love C++.

              INTP "Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence."Edsger Dijkstra

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              PIEBALDconsult
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              John R. Shaw wrote:

              Then again I wish C would allow me to declare a variable where ever I wanted

              I prefer to have all the declarations in one place (the top) so in C# I still do that by choice. But requiring such isn't very friendly, flexibility is good.

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                John R. Shaw wrote:

                Then again I wish C would allow me to declare a variable where ever I wanted

                I prefer to have all the declarations in one place (the top) so in C# I still do that by choice. But requiring such isn't very friendly, flexibility is good.

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                Paul Conrad
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                PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                I prefer to have all the declarations in one place (the top) so in C# I still do that by choice.

                Same here, sure beats having to browse through the code looking for the declarations...

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                • P PIEBALDconsult

                  John R. Shaw wrote:

                  Then again I wish C would allow me to declare a variable where ever I wanted

                  I prefer to have all the declarations in one place (the top) so in C# I still do that by choice. But requiring such isn't very friendly, flexibility is good.

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                  John R Shaw
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                  I agree requiring such is not varying friendly, and is a real pain int the <blank>. Here are some thoughts to consider when writing you code.: 1) In C you can wrap a variable declaration in a scope and if that scope is not entered then no space is allocated on the stack for it (saves cycles and memory). This applies to languages other than C, including C#. 2) In C++ you can wrap a class (variable) declaration in a scope and if that scope is not entered then the constructor and destructor are not called.

                  INTP "Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence."Edsger Dijkstra

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                  • P PIEBALDconsult

                    John R. Shaw wrote:

                    Then again I wish C would allow me to declare a variable where ever I wanted

                    I prefer to have all the declarations in one place (the top) so in C# I still do that by choice. But requiring such isn't very friendly, flexibility is good.

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                    Shog9 0
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                    PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                    I prefer to have all the declarations in one place (the top) so in C# I still do that by choice.

                    I hate that. Although it probably doesn't help that most of the functions i see doing it are hundreds of lines long, making it a real chore to track down declarations and ensure variables are being used correctly.

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                      PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                      I prefer to have all the declarations in one place (the top) so in C# I still do that by choice.

                      I hate that. Although it probably doesn't help that most of the functions i see doing it are hundreds of lines long, making it a real chore to track down declarations and ensure variables are being used correctly.

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                      It appears that everybody is under the impression that I approve of the documentation. You probably also blame Ken Burns for supporting slavery.

                      --Raymond Chen on MSDN

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                      PIEBALDconsult
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                      Yeah, if you can't the declaration then your method is too big (size matters). On the other hand, if they're all at the top, they're easy to find.

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                      • P PIEBALDconsult

                        John R. Shaw wrote:

                        Then again I wish C would allow me to declare a variable where ever I wanted

                        I prefer to have all the declarations in one place (the top) so in C# I still do that by choice. But requiring such isn't very friendly, flexibility is good.

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                        eggsovereasy
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                        Lol I think I was using C# for about 4 months before I realized I didn't have to do it. Its a tough choice though, all declarations at the top make it much easier for someone to come in and read your code, whereas its easier to code when I can make a variable whenever I need one. You can definitely look at my code and see the days on which I was lazy, because there is nothing in our coding guidelines about where to put variable declarations.

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                        • P Paul Conrad

                          PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                          I prefer to have all the declarations in one place (the top) so in C# I still do that by choice.

                          Same here, sure beats having to browse through the code looking for the declarations...

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                          jhwurmbach
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                          Paul Conrad wrote:

                          browse through the code

                          But you did know about the existence of the CTRL-F feature of your editor? Or (with any modern IDE) even the context menus 'Go to Declaration' feature? :~


                          Failure is not an option - it's built right in.

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                          • J jhwurmbach

                            Paul Conrad wrote:

                            browse through the code

                            But you did know about the existence of the CTRL-F feature of your editor? Or (with any modern IDE) even the context menus 'Go to Declaration' feature? :~


                            Failure is not an option - it's built right in.

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                            dighn
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                            But then you have to go back to where you were. Sure you could take note of the position but it would still be annoying.

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                            • T Tristan Rhodes

                              "Don't bother with it, waste of time." :wtf:

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                              breaks keyboards too

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                              • D dighn

                                But then you have to go back to where you were. Sure you could take note of the position but it would still be annoying.

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                                jhwurmbach
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                                Those points that are the hotspots of my current working are CTRL-F2-bookmarked anyway. And if I only want to know the type of a variable, Intellisense would open that little tooltip for me. I all boils down to being simply personal style, I guess.


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                                • J John R Shaw

                                  Wrong! Unless you are talking about how hard you hit the keys on your keyboard.

                                  INTP "Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence."Edsger Dijkstra

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                                  Pete OHanlon
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                                  Errm - I'm not sure if you are being subtly ironic here, or you missed the joke icon on my post. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and go with subtly ironic.

                                  Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.

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                                  • J John R Shaw

                                    What are you talking about? If you are talking about variable type checking in C++, then you are wrong. I wish C was as tight with its type checking. Then again I wish C would allow me to declare a variable where ever I wanted too, instead of forcing me to create a new scope. P.S. I liked C, but I love C++.

                                    INTP "Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence."Edsger Dijkstra

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                                    Tristan Rhodes
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                                    Actualy it arose from some code i wrote in .Net. I wrapped a generic HttpSession collection in something that exposed typed properties for each of the items it contained, And was told it was a total waste of my time. T

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                                    • T Tristan Rhodes

                                      Actualy it arose from some code i wrote in .Net. I wrapped a generic HttpSession collection in something that exposed typed properties for each of the items it contained, And was told it was a total waste of my time. T

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                                      Marcus J Smith
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                                      Tristan Rhodes wrote:

                                      And was told it was a total waste of my time.

                                      Why?


                                      CleaKO

                                      "I think you'll be okay here, they have a thin candy shell. 'Surprised you didn't know that.'" - Tommy (Tommy Boy)
                                      "Fill it up again! Fill it up again! Once it hits your lips, it's so good!" - Frank the Tank (Old School)

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                                        Tristan Rhodes wrote:

                                        And was told it was a total waste of my time.

                                        Why?


                                        CleaKO

                                        "I think you'll be okay here, they have a thin candy shell. 'Surprised you didn't know that.'" - Tommy (Tommy Boy)
                                        "Fill it up again! Fill it up again! Once it hits your lips, it's so good!" - Frank the Tank (Old School)

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                                        Tristan Rhodes
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                                        Because the general concencus was that "It's the most pointless piece of code" they had ever seen. :S

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                                        • T Tristan Rhodes

                                          Because the general concencus was that "It's the most pointless piece of code" they had ever seen. :S

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                                          PIEBALDconsult
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                                          I'd have to see the code.

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