Local approach to illegal immigrants
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This runs against your previous support of privacy rights. This law forces businesses and individuals to invade the privacy of customers. Are you for or against privacy?
The legality of your U.S. residential status is hardly a matter of personal privacy.
Ian
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This runs against your previous support of privacy rights. This law forces businesses and individuals to invade the privacy of customers. Are you for or against privacy?
It's no different than requiring merchants to verify the age of someone purchasing alcohol or cigarettes. It's the merchant's responsibility to make a good faith effort to ensure that the purchaser is legally qualified to make the purchase...
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This runs against your previous support of privacy rights. This law forces businesses and individuals to invade the privacy of customers. Are you for or against privacy?
Ed Gadziemski wrote:
This runs against your previous support of privacy rights. This law forces businesses and individuals to invade the privacy of customers. Are you for or against privacy?
That is your spin on what I said. If there is just cause to believe that a business or individual is breaking the law, a warrent is issued, and privacy becomes a moot point.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
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a bottom up approach - since the Fed is doing squat[^]
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
I read the article and there are exceptions allowed for children, the elderly etc. so it has leeway. Seems reasonable from what I can see.
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Ed Gadziemski wrote:
This runs against your previous support of privacy rights. This law forces businesses and individuals to invade the privacy of customers. Are you for or against privacy?
That is your spin on what I said. If there is just cause to believe that a business or individual is breaking the law, a warrent is issued, and privacy becomes a moot point.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
Stan Shannon wrote:
If there is just cause to believe that a business or individual is breaking the law
What is the just cause in this instance? That the renter has dark hair and skin? This sounds like a case of situational ethics. Conservatives are well-known for that. Supposedly pro-life, but only for the unborn, because killing people through war or capital punishment is cool. Against regulation of business unless it's forcing landlords to verify residency status. For privacy unless a person wants to smoke dope or hire a prostitute. Support the bill of rights, but only the 2nd, 9th and 10th, while not giving a crap about the 1st, 4th or 5th. Consistency is not a strong point of rightists.
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It's no different than requiring merchants to verify the age of someone purchasing alcohol or cigarettes. It's the merchant's responsibility to make a good faith effort to ensure that the purchaser is legally qualified to make the purchase...
Rob Graham wrote:
It's the merchant's responsibility to make a good faith effort to ensure that the purchaser is legally qualified to make the purchase...
And the tax man's responsibility to make sure all income is reported. Oh, wait. Stan doesn't believe in that particular law. He doesn't want anyone violating his right to financial privacy.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
If there is just cause to believe that a business or individual is breaking the law
What is the just cause in this instance? That the renter has dark hair and skin? This sounds like a case of situational ethics. Conservatives are well-known for that. Supposedly pro-life, but only for the unborn, because killing people through war or capital punishment is cool. Against regulation of business unless it's forcing landlords to verify residency status. For privacy unless a person wants to smoke dope or hire a prostitute. Support the bill of rights, but only the 2nd, 9th and 10th, while not giving a crap about the 1st, 4th or 5th. Consistency is not a strong point of rightists.
Ed, where in my post to which you are responding did I say anything aside from the government listening to the will of the people? Why does that scare you so much, you sad, delusional, paranoid little man?
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
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Too bad the courts will throw it out in no time.
Nope. There is nothing in the constitution that mentions immigration. Unless you want to consider illegal immigrant to be "Foreign invaders". AND under the tenth Amendment
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved for the States respectively, or to the people."The people being the local citizens.
Ron Paul for President of the United States of America
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Stan Shannon wrote:
If there is just cause to believe that a business or individual is breaking the law
What is the just cause in this instance? That the renter has dark hair and skin? This sounds like a case of situational ethics. Conservatives are well-known for that. Supposedly pro-life, but only for the unborn, because killing people through war or capital punishment is cool. Against regulation of business unless it's forcing landlords to verify residency status. For privacy unless a person wants to smoke dope or hire a prostitute. Support the bill of rights, but only the 2nd, 9th and 10th, while not giving a crap about the 1st, 4th or 5th. Consistency is not a strong point of rightists.
Ed Gadziemski wrote:
Supposedly pro-life, but only for the unborn
that should read: only for the innocent who cannot speak for themselves. as to:
Ed Gadziemski wrote:
Support the bill of rights, but only the 2nd, 9th and 10th, while not giving a crap about the 1st, 4th or 5th.
a lot of drivel, how about some examples - and you've completely forgotten about the distortion of the 14th, which was meant to clarify the standing of individuals previously known as slaves, not for the creation of anchor babies.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Ed, where in my post to which you are responding did I say anything aside from the government listening to the will of the people? Why does that scare you so much, you sad, delusional, paranoid little man?
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
Stan Shannon wrote:
Why does that scare you so much, you sad, delusional, paranoid little man?
I don't get the scared part at all. "Delusional", you just skip right past all the fact based arguments and jump on delusional without refuting his statements? Oh yeah, I forgot, you can't refute them because they are true. "paranoid little man"... Wasn't it (D)espeir that said when leftists can't support their argument they resort to "name calling". Notice that Ed's argument did not fall apart, yours did and you resorted to name calling. Now I am no rocket scientist but it seems obvious to me that if the two of you represent the average right wing supporter... well nuf said.
"When your argument falls apart...resort to name-calling."
Red Stateler aka (D)espeir in the SoapboxWhereas "liberal" is just a moron.
Red Stateler aka (D)espeir in the Soapboxtypical left-wing pseudo-intellectual crackpot
Red Stateler aka (D)espeir in the SoapboxYour logic is really really bad.
Red Stateler aka (D)espeir in the SoapboxI'm kind of incoherent today.
Red Stateler aka (D)espeir in the Soapboxled mike
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Ed Gadziemski wrote:
Supposedly pro-life, but only for the unborn
that should read: only for the innocent who cannot speak for themselves. as to:
Ed Gadziemski wrote:
Support the bill of rights, but only the 2nd, 9th and 10th, while not giving a crap about the 1st, 4th or 5th.
a lot of drivel, how about some examples - and you've completely forgotten about the distortion of the 14th, which was meant to clarify the standing of individuals previously known as slaves, not for the creation of anchor babies.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
that should read: only for the innocent who cannot speak for themselves.
Good one Mike, because as (D)espeir pointed out about all those women and children dying in Lebanon and Israel during the Hezbollah Israel fighting "there are no innocent people there". And of course rightists views on abortion want to completely ignore the voice of the mother who can speak for herself, you know the mother, without whom the fetus cannot survive, but yeah you guys have a solid stance on that issue.
led mike
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I read the article and there are exceptions allowed for children, the elderly etc. so it has leeway. Seems reasonable from what I can see.
Trollslayer wrote:
Seems reasonable from what I can see.
Is it still reasonable if it is extended to the purchase of groceries? After all, buying food is just another commercial transaction, so it seems reasonable that everyone should produce citizenship papers before they are allowed to eat.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
that should read: only for the innocent who cannot speak for themselves.
Good one Mike, because as (D)espeir pointed out about all those women and children dying in Lebanon and Israel during the Hezbollah Israel fighting "there are no innocent people there". And of course rightists views on abortion want to completely ignore the voice of the mother who can speak for herself, you know the mother, without whom the fetus cannot survive, but yeah you guys have a solid stance on that issue.
led mike
Do you have a crush on me or something? :~
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
that should read: only for the innocent who cannot speak for themselves.
Good one Mike, because as (D)espeir pointed out about all those women and children dying in Lebanon and Israel during the Hezbollah Israel fighting "there are no innocent people there". And of course rightists views on abortion want to completely ignore the voice of the mother who can speak for herself, you know the mother, without whom the fetus cannot survive, but yeah you guys have a solid stance on that issue.
led mike
led mike wrote:
Good one Mike
thank you
led mike wrote:
(D)espeir pointed out about all those women and children dying in Lebanon and Israel during the Hezbollah Israel fighting "there are no innocent people there".
I think that is called war and it had absolutely no bearing on my commenst to good ole Eddy.
led mike wrote:
And of course rightists views on abortion want to completely ignore the voice of the mother who can speak for herself, you know the mother, without whom the fetus cannot survive, but yeah you guys have a solid stance on that issu
I just love the way you fuckers justify murder, then protest the death penalty. what a boat load of fools.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Trollslayer wrote:
Seems reasonable from what I can see.
Is it still reasonable if it is extended to the purchase of groceries? After all, buying food is just another commercial transaction, so it seems reasonable that everyone should produce citizenship papers before they are allowed to eat.
Ed Gadziemski wrote:
Is it still reasonable
to do nothing? hell, I'm all for pure anarchy.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Why does that scare you so much, you sad, delusional, paranoid little man?
I don't get the scared part at all. "Delusional", you just skip right past all the fact based arguments and jump on delusional without refuting his statements? Oh yeah, I forgot, you can't refute them because they are true. "paranoid little man"... Wasn't it (D)espeir that said when leftists can't support their argument they resort to "name calling". Notice that Ed's argument did not fall apart, yours did and you resorted to name calling. Now I am no rocket scientist but it seems obvious to me that if the two of you represent the average right wing supporter... well nuf said.
"When your argument falls apart...resort to name-calling."
Red Stateler aka (D)espeir in the SoapboxWhereas "liberal" is just a moron.
Red Stateler aka (D)espeir in the Soapboxtypical left-wing pseudo-intellectual crackpot
Red Stateler aka (D)espeir in the SoapboxYour logic is really really bad.
Red Stateler aka (D)espeir in the SoapboxI'm kind of incoherent today.
Red Stateler aka (D)espeir in the Soapboxled mike
There isn't a shred of fact in anything Ed posted (as usual). It is all leftist propaganda and talking points aimed at making Americans afraid of themselves - which works to make them support the left - which has obviously worked on Ed and you. You are correct that the "little man" comment was too much. But I was pissed at the time. However, I would ask you to note that I didn't refer to him as 'ignorant' and 'pathetic'. I'm a bigger man than that. :rolleyes:
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
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led mike wrote:
Good one Mike
thank you
led mike wrote:
(D)espeir pointed out about all those women and children dying in Lebanon and Israel during the Hezbollah Israel fighting "there are no innocent people there".
I think that is called war and it had absolutely no bearing on my commenst to good ole Eddy.
led mike wrote:
And of course rightists views on abortion want to completely ignore the voice of the mother who can speak for herself, you know the mother, without whom the fetus cannot survive, but yeah you guys have a solid stance on that issu
I just love the way you fuckers justify murder, then protest the death penalty. what a boat load of fools.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
I just love the way you f***ers justify murder
Please quote a post from me that reflects your statement. I have repeatedly stated that I do not personally believe in abortion as a means of contraception, while simultaneously supporting the courts decision regarding the sad sad attempts at legislating solutions to problems such as this one. As Ed points out the rightist platform claims to be against governmental interference but then contradicts itself time and time again by passing new law after law that does just that, interfere, under the guise of "solving problems". You can't solve every problem with new legislation, it's just not possible and, as a principle, is supposed to be part of a true conservative platform. Meanwhile you never addressed the gaps, putting it mildly, in the rightist stance on Abortion. But in true (D)espeiresque quality, resorted to name calling when your argument falls apart.
led mike
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
I just love the way you f***ers justify murder
Please quote a post from me that reflects your statement. I have repeatedly stated that I do not personally believe in abortion as a means of contraception, while simultaneously supporting the courts decision regarding the sad sad attempts at legislating solutions to problems such as this one. As Ed points out the rightist platform claims to be against governmental interference but then contradicts itself time and time again by passing new law after law that does just that, interfere, under the guise of "solving problems". You can't solve every problem with new legislation, it's just not possible and, as a principle, is supposed to be part of a true conservative platform. Meanwhile you never addressed the gaps, putting it mildly, in the rightist stance on Abortion. But in true (D)espeiresque quality, resorted to name calling when your argument falls apart.
led mike
led mike wrote:
Meanwhile you never addressed the gaps, putting it mildly, in the rightist stance on Abortion. But in true (D)espeiresque quality, resorted to name calling when your argument falls apart.
There it is again. Why are you so obsessed with me? Are you in love?
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Ed Gadziemski wrote:
Is it still reasonable
to do nothing? hell, I'm all for pure anarchy.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
You miss the point Mike. We have existing laws that make illegal immigrants, well "illegal". That fact that they are not enforced does not mean we need to make new laws that interfere with actual citizens. Not to mention has anyone considered how these new laws will/can be enforced? Stop making more and more stupid laws just because we can't figure out how to enforce the laws we already have! Is this the same problem solving approach you use to develop software? Bad, bad… really bad.
led mike
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There isn't a shred of fact in anything Ed posted (as usual). It is all leftist propaganda and talking points aimed at making Americans afraid of themselves - which works to make them support the left - which has obviously worked on Ed and you. You are correct that the "little man" comment was too much. But I was pissed at the time. However, I would ask you to note that I didn't refer to him as 'ignorant' and 'pathetic'. I'm a bigger man than that. :rolleyes:
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
Stan Shannon wrote:
note that I didn't refer to him as 'ignorant' and 'pathetic'.
Right because it's not name calling in general that you guys railed on about it was the actual names themselves. :rolleyes:
Stan Shannon wrote:
There isn't a shred of fact in anything Ed posted (as usual).
Wow. I don't even know how to respond to that. Ed's post speaks for itself, it is almost nothing but facts. The sad facts of the contradictions in the right wing platform.
led mike