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  • R Red Stateler

    Matthew Faithfull wrote:

    I wonder if lets say Switzerland suddenly pulled out of the World Bank and the UN and declared the US a rouge state and an enemy whether you would claim the Swiss were all commies or that they'd all converted to Islam.

    Not being commies or Islamic, they wouldn't do that. But if the UN declared the US a rouge state, I'm sure we'd all better start putting rouge on our cheeks before they issued paperwork condemning us. If they considered us a "rogue" state, we'd just sell their headquarters in NYC for a bunch of money and stop funding them. Then we'd put all their ambassadors in prison for ignoring their parking tickets. Then we'd turn our European mind control satellites from the "control" setting to the "cook" setting and watch the fun.

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    Red, please check your control sensors, there might be a undiagnosed defect, a misdirected shot caused this bloke to do something silly [^]

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      So in the past few days, there have been 3 attempted 'terror strikes' in the UK. Two failed carbombs and one distinctly ineffectual flaming car driven at Glasgow airport. Note that the UK Government refers to these as 'foiled attacks' rather than 'failed attacks'. The vowel change is apparently significant, even though security services intervention had nothing to do with the fact that the devices didn't explode. The two carbombs were abject failures, namely down to their inability to fulfill their raison d'etre as a bomb, that being to explode. One of the cars wasn't even anywhere near its intended target - it was parked illegally, so had been towed to an impound. The car on fire left just one person injured - the driver of the vehicle who, on attempting to fuel the blaze with a can of petrol, managed to set his own trousers on fire. The whole thing wouldn't have looked out of place with Benny Hill music playing in the background. In the 80s, the IRA were carrying out a reign of terror marked by carbombs set off with devastating regularity. In the 00s, it seems we are under seige from a battalion of completely retarded incompetents. How many complete failures to make working explosive devices have we had now? If the IRA could do it every single time, how hard can it be, exactly? Without wishing any offence to those who have had friends or family injured or killed in terrorist attacks, is the reaction of government really proportional to the risk to the public that is demonstrated by these failures to kill? Terrorism? I'm not terrified, I'm frankly embarrassed.

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      Craster wrote:

      In the 80s, the IRA were carrying out a reign of terror marked by carbombs set off with devastating regularity. In the 00s, it seems we are under siege from a battalion of completely retarded incompetents.

      Todays MI5 agents need to learn a lot. Too much knowhow has been lost in the last 20 years. And now young, inexperienced secret servicers are sent out to provide reasons to the neoliberals/neocons reigning caste to take away our civil rights. They are only able to set their trousers on fire. No one would ever believe there is something like a Al-Quaida attack going on. Fanatics have their pride, as you won't get 17 virgins just for dying from burning trousers. Thank you for listening to my conspiration theory.


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        Craster wrote:

        In the 80s, the IRA were carrying out a reign of terror marked by carbombs set off with devastating regularity. In the 00s, it seems we are under siege from a battalion of completely retarded incompetents.

        Todays MI5 agents need to learn a lot. Too much knowhow has been lost in the last 20 years. And now young, inexperienced secret servicers are sent out to provide reasons to the neoliberals/neocons reigning caste to take away our civil rights. They are only able to set their trousers on fire. No one would ever believe there is something like a Al-Quaida attack going on. Fanatics have their pride, as you won't get 17 virgins just for dying from burning trousers. Thank you for listening to my conspiration theory.


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        TClarke
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        That's the silliest thing I've ever heard :laugh:

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          That's the silliest thing I've ever heard :laugh:

          Philosophy: The art of never getting beyond the concept of life.

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          jhwurmbach
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          Seeing to what extend the fanatics (Muslim and Christian) succeeded to turn our liberal western democracies into oppressive dictatorships, I really believe the leaders (like our local minister for domestic affair Mr. Schäuble) pray for more attacks. I the UK, as I have heard, you already can't have a pub license without a camera scanning all customers using face recognition. That is exactly Orwells '1984'.


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          • C Craster

            So in the past few days, there have been 3 attempted 'terror strikes' in the UK. Two failed carbombs and one distinctly ineffectual flaming car driven at Glasgow airport. Note that the UK Government refers to these as 'foiled attacks' rather than 'failed attacks'. The vowel change is apparently significant, even though security services intervention had nothing to do with the fact that the devices didn't explode. The two carbombs were abject failures, namely down to their inability to fulfill their raison d'etre as a bomb, that being to explode. One of the cars wasn't even anywhere near its intended target - it was parked illegally, so had been towed to an impound. The car on fire left just one person injured - the driver of the vehicle who, on attempting to fuel the blaze with a can of petrol, managed to set his own trousers on fire. The whole thing wouldn't have looked out of place with Benny Hill music playing in the background. In the 80s, the IRA were carrying out a reign of terror marked by carbombs set off with devastating regularity. In the 00s, it seems we are under seige from a battalion of completely retarded incompetents. How many complete failures to make working explosive devices have we had now? If the IRA could do it every single time, how hard can it be, exactly? Without wishing any offence to those who have had friends or family injured or killed in terrorist attacks, is the reaction of government really proportional to the risk to the public that is demonstrated by these failures to kill? Terrorism? I'm not terrified, I'm frankly embarrassed.

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            KaRl
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            It could be also a proof that anti-terrorist police actions are efficient enough to block bombing needing some organization.


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            • J jhwurmbach

              Craster wrote:

              In the 80s, the IRA were carrying out a reign of terror marked by carbombs set off with devastating regularity. In the 00s, it seems we are under siege from a battalion of completely retarded incompetents.

              Todays MI5 agents need to learn a lot. Too much knowhow has been lost in the last 20 years. And now young, inexperienced secret servicers are sent out to provide reasons to the neoliberals/neocons reigning caste to take away our civil rights. They are only able to set their trousers on fire. No one would ever believe there is something like a Al-Quaida attack going on. Fanatics have their pride, as you won't get 17 virgins just for dying from burning trousers. Thank you for listening to my conspiration theory.


              Failure is not an option - it's built right in.

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              Piffle and balderdash best describes your theory

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              • L Lost User

                I am not convinced that self-destruction and/or self-loathing is the exclusive domain of the left. But in terms of population, this planet can only support so many. You can indeed attempt to eliminate hunger throughout this world but if the population continues, with the effect that cities will ever grow, the countrysides just will not be able to furnish us with our daily dietary needs and hunger followed inevitably by death can only be the result. After all, if there are good quantity of antelopes, cheeters will flourish, but if the rains fail, the antelope will not breed, consequently, the cheeters will die from hunger etc. So shouldn't the same kind-of analogy be applied to us humans? In terms of immigration, I like the (misquoted) premise of "when in Rome..."

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                Ryan Roberts
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                Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                the countrysides just will not be able to furnish us with our daily dietary needs and hunger followed inevitably by death can only be the result.

                With greatest respect, bollocks :) Starvation in the modern world is caused by politics and war, not for want of the ability to grow food. There is a hard population, but it's one hell of a lot higher than our current population figures.

                Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                o shouldn't the same kind-of analogy be applied to us humans?

                Not since the invention of agriculture, no.

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                • L Lost User

                  Piffle and balderdash best describes your theory

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                  jhwurmbach
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                  Being not a native speaker, I had to look the words up. By now, you are still entitled to have your own opinion. At least about most themes. Modified from the original: "Being not a native speaker, I take this as meaning "Your theory is completely rubbish!". Correct?"


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                  • J jhwurmbach

                    Being not a native speaker, I had to look the words up. By now, you are still entitled to have your own opinion. At least about most themes. Modified from the original: "Being not a native speaker, I take this as meaning "Your theory is completely rubbish!". Correct?"


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                    TClarke
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                    Correct

                    Philosophy: The art of never getting beyond the concept of life.

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                    • J jhwurmbach

                      Being not a native speaker, I had to look the words up. By now, you are still entitled to have your own opinion. At least about most themes. Modified from the original: "Being not a native speaker, I take this as meaning "Your theory is completely rubbish!". Correct?"


                      Failure is not an option - it's built right in.

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                      Your knowledge of the British Intelligence services is astonishing.

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                      • L Lost User

                        Your knowledge of the British Intelligence services is astonishing.

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                        jhwurmbach
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                        Sure. I have seen all of "Smiley's People"!


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                        • R Ryan Roberts

                          Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                          the countrysides just will not be able to furnish us with our daily dietary needs and hunger followed inevitably by death can only be the result.

                          With greatest respect, bollocks :) Starvation in the modern world is caused by politics and war, not for want of the ability to grow food. There is a hard population, but it's one hell of a lot higher than our current population figures.

                          Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                          o shouldn't the same kind-of analogy be applied to us humans?

                          Not since the invention of agriculture, no.

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                          You are partly correct. Politics and war plays an important role. But the land and the oceans can only provide so much of our foodstuffs. There is a cut off point where production is maximised. I don't know how close we are to that point after which, how are all of the people to be fed?

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                            You are partly correct. Politics and war plays an important role. But the land and the oceans can only provide so much of our foodstuffs. There is a cut off point where production is maximised. I don't know how close we are to that point after which, how are all of the people to be fed?

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                            Red Stateler
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                            Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                            You are partly correct. Politics and war plays an important role. But the land and the oceans can only provide so much of our foodstuffs. There is a cut off point where production is maximised. I don't know how close we are to that point after which, how are all of the people to be fed?

                            We're nowhere near it. However, we hit a population inflection point about 6 years ago. If population follows a logistic curve, as it usually does, then population will max out at about 12 billion people.

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                              Of all the places on earth to try to scare Glasgow has got to be the dumbest. I noticed there was no shortage of passers by who put a boot in. Probably the only reason they put the men out was so they could continue beating ten bells out of them. I guess we're seeing the down side of suicide bombing. It looks like the stock of competant bombers has run a little low. The serious ones must have gone to Afganistan or Iraq. Strangley this was part of the western strategy: If they want to fight better it's on their land. One thing that really bemused me was the use of gas canisters. There is NO WAY that surrounding them with pertrol would cause them to explode. They're built to withstand that. You would have to strap a good amount of explosive to the side of one to get that effect.

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                              Colin Angus Mackay
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                              TClarke wrote:

                              Of all the places on earth to try to scare Glasgow has got to be the dumbest. I noticed there was no shortage of passers by who put a boot in.

                              That's very true. You don't want to inconvenience a Glaswegian. On day-to-day basis in a fight between a Glaswegian pedestrian and a double decker bus, it would be the bus that comes off worst.


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                              • J jhwurmbach

                                Seeing to what extend the fanatics (Muslim and Christian) succeeded to turn our liberal western democracies into oppressive dictatorships, I really believe the leaders (like our local minister for domestic affair Mr. Schäuble) pray for more attacks. I the UK, as I have heard, you already can't have a pub license without a camera scanning all customers using face recognition. That is exactly Orwells '1984'.


                                Failure is not an option - it's built right in.

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                                Colin Angus Mackay
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                                jhwurmbach wrote:

                                I the UK, as I have heard, you already can't have a pub license without a camera scanning all customers using face recognition

                                That is utter bollocks. I've been in plenty pubs that don't have CCTV. And the reason is becuase they don't attract binge drinkers who will wreck the place.


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                                • V Vasudevan Deepak Kumar

                                  Don't you think that there might be supporters from within the Airport staff on this attack? Otherwise the car-on-flames might not have crossed that many hurdles/security barriers and reached the place where it collapsed.

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                                  David Wulff
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                                  In most airports I have been to, you can get dropped off right outside the door.


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                                  • R Red Stateler

                                    AndyKEnZ wrote:

                                    The problem is with fundamentalism; be it Christian or Islamic.

                                    What about atheist fundamentalism[^]?

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                                    VonHagNDaz
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                                    im not theology expert or anything but arent the mormans basically christian?

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                                      im not theology expert or anything but arent the mormans basically christian?

                                      -------------------- If modern science was founded by the Catholic Church, why do Christians believe Jesus is magic?

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                                      Red Stateler
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                                      VonHagNDaz wrote:

                                      im not theology expert or anything but arent the mormans basically christian?

                                      Mark Hoffman was raised a Mormon, but became an atheist as a teenager. He sought to bring down the Mormon Church in the name of atheism by forging church documents and killing a couple people along the way. He was an atheist fundamentalist terrorist.

                                      VonHagNDaz wrote:

                                      If modern science was founded by the Catholic Church, why do Christians believe Jesus is magic?

                                      Is this an actual quote from somebody? Because it's pretty dumb.

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                                      • L Lost User

                                        Craster wrote:

                                        If the IRA could do it every single time, how hard can it be, exactly?

                                        Not always - I recall at least one IRA member blowing himself up (on a bus IIRC) by mistake. But yes, these attempted 'attacks' are almost funny in their ineptitude. If that's the calibre of a typical Al-Qaeda 'cell' operating in Britain then we don't have much to fear do we? I read somewhere that one of Glasgow 'bombers' was shouting 'Allah! Allah!' whilst being subdued by a member of the public who then promptly punched him in the face. he he. Bunch of cocks.


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                                        Ed Gadziemski
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                                        Rob Caldecott wrote:

                                        If that's the calibre of a typical Al-Qaeda 'cell' operating in Britain then we don't have much to fear do we?

                                        Not until seasoned veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan adventures start pouring into the country.

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                                        • R Red Stateler

                                          VonHagNDaz wrote:

                                          im not theology expert or anything but arent the mormans basically christian?

                                          Mark Hoffman was raised a Mormon, but became an atheist as a teenager. He sought to bring down the Mormon Church in the name of atheism by forging church documents and killing a couple people along the way. He was an atheist fundamentalist terrorist.

                                          VonHagNDaz wrote:

                                          If modern science was founded by the Catholic Church, why do Christians believe Jesus is magic?

                                          Is this an actual quote from somebody? Because it's pretty dumb.

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                                          apparently work is now blocking emails from the code project, so i cant tell if anyone is replying

                                          Red Stateler wrote:

                                          Is this an actual quote from somebody? Because it's pretty dumb.

                                          its a combination of Sarah Silverman and George Carlin quotes. Sarah Silverman had a stand up routine about her boy friend being christian and her being jewish and how they should raise their child. blah blah blah, the child asks something about its parents religion, blah blah blah, well mommy is one of the chosen people and well, dad believes jesus is magic... George Carlin has a skit about god being the imaginary friend for adults, and surprise surprise, he does talk about science being founded by the church, and how it applies to everything except them. none of these are exact quotes. i havent seen any of these specials in a while.

                                          -------------------- If modern science was founded by the Catholic Church, why do Christians believe Jesus is magic?

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