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Dang so it was oil afterall

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  • L Le centriste

    You're disgusting. http://icasualties.org/oif/[^] http://www.alertnet.org/thefacts/reliefresources/116066724942.htm[^] If it was your children that died there, you would speak otherwise.

    ----- If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby. -- Unknown

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    Red Stateler
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    Le Centriste wrote:

    You're disgusting

    How many people would die if the lights suddenly went off?

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    • R Red Stateler

      If that's the case, why didn't we just invade Venezuela? They're much closer and far less prone to blowing themselves up.

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      Red Stateler wrote:

      If that's the case, why didn't we just invade Venezuela?

      It was probably some complex reason, like the toss of a coin ;P

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      • R Red Stateler

        If that's the case, why didn't we just invade Venezuela? They're much closer and far less prone to blowing themselves up.

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        The US doesn't do jungles, only vast flat sand dunes.

        Philosophy: The art of never getting beyond the concept of life.

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        • L Le centriste

          You're disgusting. http://icasualties.org/oif/[^] http://www.alertnet.org/thefacts/reliefresources/116066724942.htm[^] If it was your children that died there, you would speak otherwise.

          ----- If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby. -- Unknown

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          KaRl
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          No, from a State's point of view, he's right.


          Change of fashion is the tax levied by the industry of the poor on the vanity of the rich Fold with us! ¤ flickr

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            No, from a State's point of view, he's right.


            Change of fashion is the tax levied by the industry of the poor on the vanity of the rich Fold with us! ¤ flickr

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            Le centriste
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            Then State's point of vue is a sick one. I would like to see how the U.S. would react if the Chinese decided to invade Saudi Arabia (or whatever oil-rich country) to secure its oil future.

            ----- If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby. -- Unknown

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            • A AndyKEnZ

              The Australian defence minister today triggered a political storm when he suggested that protecting Iraq's huge oil reserves was a reason for the continuing deployment of foreign troops in the war-torn country. http://www.guardian.co.uk/australia/story/0,,2119110,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront[^] And there was me getting swayed by some of the eloquent arguments put forward by the red-necked neo-cons around here, ho hum.

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              KaRl
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              I don't even get how some people can believe Iraq was not targetted because of this.


              Change of fashion is the tax levied by the industry of the poor on the vanity of the rich Fold with us! ¤ flickr

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              • L Le centriste

                Then State's point of vue is a sick one. I would like to see how the U.S. would react if the Chinese decided to invade Saudi Arabia (or whatever oil-rich country) to secure its oil future.

                ----- If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby. -- Unknown

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                KaRl
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                Le Centriste wrote:

                Then State's point of vue is a sick one.

                More exactly, a State has no morality.

                Le Centriste wrote:

                U.S. would react if the Chinese decided to invade Saudi Arabia (or whatever oil-rich country) to secure its oil future

                hey would probably help guerilla movements to destabilize China's military occupation. Or strike nuclearly the Chinese if neocons are still in power.


                Change of fashion is the tax levied by the industry of the poor on the vanity of the rich Fold with us! ¤ flickr

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                • K KaRl

                  Le Centriste wrote:

                  Then State's point of vue is a sick one.

                  More exactly, a State has no morality.

                  Le Centriste wrote:

                  U.S. would react if the Chinese decided to invade Saudi Arabia (or whatever oil-rich country) to secure its oil future

                  hey would probably help guerilla movements to destabilize China's military occupation. Or strike nuclearly the Chinese if neocons are still in power.


                  Change of fashion is the tax levied by the industry of the poor on the vanity of the rich Fold with us! ¤ flickr

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                  K(arl) wrote:

                  More exactly, a State has no morality.

                  This does not mean that we should accept it.

                  ----- If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby. -- Unknown

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                  • R Red Stateler

                    If that's the case, why didn't we just invade Venezuela? They're much closer and far less prone to blowing themselves up.

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                    Red Stateler wrote:

                    If that's the case, why didn't we just invade Venezuela?

                    Because the Bush administration believed it could gain control over Venezueka another way[^] the US has a bad experience with Jungles - they don't make good tankodromes.


                    Change of fashion is the tax levied by the industry of the poor on the vanity of the rich Fold with us! ¤ flickr

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                    • K KaRl

                      Red Stateler wrote:

                      If that's the case, why didn't we just invade Venezuela?

                      Because the Bush administration believed it could gain control over Venezueka another way[^] the US has a bad experience with Jungles - they don't make good tankodromes.


                      Change of fashion is the tax levied by the industry of the poor on the vanity of the rich Fold with us! ¤ flickr

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                      AndyKEnZ
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                      K(arl) wrote:

                      Because the Bush administration believed it could gain control over Venezueka another way[^]

                      A very dirty and underhand way, excellent link well worth reading.

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                      • R Red Stateler

                        If that's the case, why didn't we just invade Venezuela? They're much closer and far less prone to blowing themselves up.

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                        Oh, come on now. To get the public's backing they had to have sufficient cause. The public would not allow a war for oil. That's unconstitutional. We can only defend ourselves. The constitution allows for the defense of the nation not the offense of another. So they got backing declaring Saddam's WMDs. Hence the defensive line. There was nothing we could do against Venezuela along those lines, but we would have if we could have.

                        This statement was never false.

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                          Oh, come on now. To get the public's backing they had to have sufficient cause. The public would not allow a war for oil. That's unconstitutional. We can only defend ourselves. The constitution allows for the defense of the nation not the offense of another. So they got backing declaring Saddam's WMDs. Hence the defensive line. There was nothing we could do against Venezuela along those lines, but we would have if we could have.

                          This statement was never false.

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                          Red Stateler
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                          Chris-Kaiser wrote:

                          The constitution allows for the defense of the nation not the offense of another

                          What? Where does it say that???

                          Chris-Kaiser wrote:

                          There was nothing we could do against Venezuela along those lines, but we would have if we could have.

                          Really? They're communists that have signed an anti-American treaty with a terrorist state, aligned themselves with communist Cuba and seized billions worth of US property within Venezuela.

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                          • A AndyKEnZ

                            The Australian defence minister today triggered a political storm when he suggested that protecting Iraq's huge oil reserves was a reason for the continuing deployment of foreign troops in the war-torn country. http://www.guardian.co.uk/australia/story/0,,2119110,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront[^] And there was me getting swayed by some of the eloquent arguments put forward by the red-necked neo-cons around here, ho hum.

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                            Lost User
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                            Well the reason was WMD, then liberation, then fighting terrorism, then "we have to stay the course" now its oil just as the price of petrol is starting to go up again and there is an election coming. Dont believe a word of it.

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