Stupid Wonders of the World

lost in transition

give some examples of different books.

God Bless, Jason

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Lost User

Uh, the Quran perhaps?

The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams

lost in transition

How does the story of creation go in the koran?

God Bless, Jason

Paul Conrad wrote:

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Lost User

I think it is the same as Genesis. But there is also the QU'RET AL-YEZID that says Satan is the creator of humanity. I think the bottom line is that simple minds look for simple explanations. Believing in God makes eveything easy to understand, and provides a way of coping with death.

The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams

Red Stateler

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Believing in God makes eveything easy to understand

I always thought materialism was much easier to understand since it removes metaphysical consideration altogether. Maybe that's what's wrong with atheists. They're just not smart enough.

Lost User

You obviously have a very poor understanding of atheism.

The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams

Red Stateler

You wish... Atheism is a self-defining word: Without God. Materialism is the extent of the modern atheist's metaphysical beliefs. That is to say...They believe in a lack of metaphysics. So theists deal both in the physical world (i.e. its material attributes) and the metaphysical world (i.e. its unseen spiritual attributes), whereas atheists deal only in the former. The fact that you believe theism creates a more simplified worldview (when it actually adds a very significant layer of complexity) tells me you have a poor understanding of both atheism and theism.

peterchen

envy?

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peterchen

I'm just imagening you bickering if some french tower would have made it :rolleyes:

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Al Beback

Matthew Faithfull wrote:

Only the greatest moment in history so far.

Yep, must have been something: Jesus turning into a zombie and nobody freaking out. ;P

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Rama Krishna Vavilala

Red Stateler wrote:

Atheism is a self-defining word: Without God

You got that part right: But Athiesm and Materialism are independent. An athiest may or may not subscribe to the materialistic world view.

Andy Brummer

With the title of the post I thought it was going to be about you. :-D

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Bassam Abdul Baki

On that, I agree. Now cut it out, you're freaking me out.

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Red Stateler

Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

But Athiesm and Materialism are independent. An athiest may or may not subscribe to the materialistic world view.

I know, which is why I said "Materialism is the extent of the modern atheist's metaphysical beliefs". You'd be very hard-pressed to find an atheist these days that is not a materialist since atheism is basically the adoption of science as religion.

Tim Craig

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Al Beback

Red Stateler wrote:

atheism is basically the adoption of science as religion.

Yep, see my sig. Praise Science! :rolleyes: Without scientific exploration, who knows what superstitious nonsense we'd still be attributing to rain, lightning, volcanoes, stars, etc.

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hairy_hats

Matthew Faithfull wrote:

He specifically avoided allegory and that is one reason why he did not write that Gandalf was resurrected, merely that he was sent back, which you have conveniently interpreted.

In both cases something akin to a soul went to another (holy/blessed) place. In both cases that soul/spirit was returned to the body to reanimate it. The difference between the stories is less than a 4-thou feeler gauge.

Matthew Faithfull

Which clearly demonstrates that in common with Kyle you have little or no knowledge of the biblical resurrection account.

Steve_Harris wrote:

In both cases something akin to a soul went to another (holy/blessed) place.

You forget or perhaps never understood that Jesus did not spend 3 days in heaven but rather in hell before the ressurection.

Steve_Harris wrote:

In both cases that soul/spirit was returned to the body to reanimate it.

Jesus returned not with a reanimated body but with a resurrection body. A new body made out of or at least resembling the state of the old one but capable of existing in both earthly and heavenly planes. A truly immortal body which cannot die like that which we will all recieve whatever our final destination.

Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.

hairy_hats

Matthew Faithfull wrote:

Which clearly demonstrates that in common with Kyle you have little or no knowledge of the biblical resurrection account.

I take great offence at being lumped in with Kyle under any circumstances! X|

Matthew Faithfull wrote:

You forget or perhaps never understood that Jesus did not spend 3 days in heaven but rather in hell before the ressurection.

Not so. I copy-and-paste: "The New Testament Greek word that is used for hell is "Hades," which also refers to “the place of the dead.” Other Scriptures in the New Testament indicate that Sheol / Hades is a temporary place, where souls are kept as they await the final resurrection and judgment. Revelation 20:11-15 gives a clear distinction between the two. Hell (the lake of fire) is the permanent and final place of judgment for the lost. Hades is a temporary place. So, no, Jesus did not go to “Hell” because “Hell” is a future realm, only put into effect after the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15)." Also: "After His death, the soul of Jesus, still united to the divinity, descended into the realm of the dead, which the Creed calls "hell", in the old English usage. It does not mean at all the hell of the damned." Also: "Some believe that while Jesus' body was in the tomb, His spirit was in hell. Scripture does not support that position when it is taken in context and we look at the meaning of the word "hell." In the Old Testament, the place of the dead or the place of departed souls was called "Sheol." It was to this place that all souls of the dead went to await resurrection. " Need I go on? OK, maybe it wasn't exactly heaven but in both stories the 'souls' went elsewhere and returned to their original bodies which came back to life. Neither body was the same as before and both had additional "abilities".

Matthew Faithfull

Steve_Harris wrote:

I take great offence at being lumped in with Kyle under any circumstances!

My apologies. Your theological points are interesting. I agree with your Hades/Hell distinction to a point although I have always considered Sheol a Jewish cultural idea rather than a genuinely biblical concept.

Steve_Harris wrote:

After His death, the soul of Jesus, still united to the divinity

This is where we disagree. Separation from the father is a key aspect of Jesus becoming sin for us. The essense of Hell is separation from God and therefore I would say the creed got the usage right which is or rather should be no different then than now. Where I think we can agree is that Kyle's petty attempt to belittle the resurection by comparing it with a clearly derived idea in the mere book of the 20th Century fails in every respect. The central event of history bears no such comparison and Professor Tolkien would certainly not have stood for one.:)

Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.