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  • A AndyKEnZ

    Ryan Roberts wrote:

    Is a code word for 'no development',

    Perhaps you should visit the sustainable development of forests in Germany, Austria and many Scandinavian countries.

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    Ryan Roberts
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    And Canada and the US and UK.. Friends of the earth et al moan about commercial forestry too, you should read some of the criticism of Patrick Moore's[^] for working with logging and fish farming companies.

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      ... raping this planet? http://environment.guardian.co.uk/conservation/story/0,,2124251,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=12[^]

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      Le centriste
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      When the human race get extinct.

      ----- If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby. -- Unknown

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        When the human race get extinct.

        ----- If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby. -- Unknown

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        Ryan Roberts
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        What a lovely greenie thought for the day. Who goes first?

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          When the human race get extinct.

          ----- If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby. -- Unknown

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          AndyKEnZ
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          Have you considered changing your user name to something appropriate like Charlie Chuckles? :)

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            What a lovely greenie thought for the day. Who goes first?

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            Le centriste
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            Q: When are we going to stop raping this planet? A: When the human race gets extinct. What I mean here is that we are going to rape this planet until there is none of us left. After that, the earth will take a few million years to recover and heal. If we want to avoid this, the solution is not to complain about companies that are raping the planet, but more to us consumers of the products made by those companies. If we stop buying stuff we don't need, they will stop raping the planet. But this is utopia, so my first answer still holds.

            ----- If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby. -- Unknown

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            • A AndyKEnZ

              Have you considered changing your user name to something appropriate like Charlie Chuckles? :)

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              Le centriste
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              ... or "Le Fataliste".

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                Q: When are we going to stop raping this planet? A: When the human race gets extinct. What I mean here is that we are going to rape this planet until there is none of us left. After that, the earth will take a few million years to recover and heal. If we want to avoid this, the solution is not to complain about companies that are raping the planet, but more to us consumers of the products made by those companies. If we stop buying stuff we don't need, they will stop raping the planet. But this is utopia, so my first answer still holds.

                ----- If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby. -- Unknown

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                Ryan Roberts
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                Le Centriste wrote:

                If we want to avoid this, the solution is not to complain about companies that are raping the planet

                But 'raping' our not actually anthropomorphic planet has allowed us to increase our population to levels that can sustain the forms of society we currently enjoy. And we thrived during the incredibly hostile environment of last ice age with nothing more than stone tools, animal skins and a illiterate hunter-gatherer culture. What do you think is going to bump us off, the great old ones[^]?

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                few million years to recover and heal

                You think humanity is a disease? And I hope you realise quite how religious your position sounds for a supposed atheist.

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                  ... raping this planet? http://environment.guardian.co.uk/conservation/story/0,,2124251,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=12[^]

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                  R Giskard Reventlov
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                  Nothing quite like a little melodrama to get your point across, ey? Besides, you read this in the Guardian: you're either a left-wing pinko commie tree-hugging hippie or... No, that must be it. In any case we're NOT raping it, we're just using it and it'll still be here long after we're all dust so quit whining and get a life. :)

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                    Le Centriste wrote:

                    If we want to avoid this, the solution is not to complain about companies that are raping the planet

                    But 'raping' our not actually anthropomorphic planet has allowed us to increase our population to levels that can sustain the forms of society we currently enjoy. And we thrived during the incredibly hostile environment of last ice age with nothing more than stone tools, animal skins and a illiterate hunter-gatherer culture. What do you think is going to bump us off, the great old ones[^]?

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                    few million years to recover and heal

                    You think humanity is a disease? And I hope you realise quite how religious your position sounds for a supposed atheist.

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                    Le centriste
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                    Ryan Roberts wrote:

                    And I hope you realise quite how religious your position sounds for a supposed atheist.

                    An atheist is one who denies the existence of a deity or of divine beings. Does religion always involves at least one god? Was I citing any god here? At least you did not call me a communist, which is a more common reply.

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                    • A AndyKEnZ

                      ... raping this planet? http://environment.guardian.co.uk/conservation/story/0,,2124251,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=12[^]

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                      Stan Shannon
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                      Kind of ironic that this is occuring very near to the area of our species' origins. You know, where nature evolved us to be planet rapers.

                      Pardon Libby!

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                        Ryan Roberts wrote:

                        And I hope you realise quite how religious your position sounds for a supposed atheist.

                        An atheist is one who denies the existence of a deity or of divine beings. Does religion always involves at least one god? Was I citing any god here? At least you did not call me a communist, which is a more common reply.

                        ----- If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby. -- Unknown

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                        Ryan Roberts
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                        Le Centriste wrote:

                        Does religion always involves at least one god?

                        Nope, see Taoism and Buddhism, both are agnostic faiths.

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                        At least you did not call me a communist

                        Not really, though the deep green stuff has been adopted by lefties who offer left wing solutions to their fear mongering it probably has its philosophical origins on the naturalistic right rather than the humanist left. Workers owning the means of production != Reverting to an agrarian society and becoming vegans because mother earth is angry. My favourite commies[^] despise the environmental movement.

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                          Le Centriste wrote:

                          Does religion always involves at least one god?

                          Nope, see Taoism and Buddhism, both are agnostic faiths.

                          Le Centriste wrote:

                          At least you did not call me a communist

                          Not really, though the deep green stuff has been adopted by lefties who offer left wing solutions to their fear mongering it probably has its philosophical origins on the naturalistic right rather than the humanist left. Workers owning the means of production != Reverting to an agrarian society and becoming vegans because mother earth is angry. My favourite commies[^] despise the environmental movement.

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                          Le centriste
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                          Ryan Roberts wrote:

                          naturalistic right

                          I did a search on this term and found nothing.

                          ----- If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby. -- Unknown

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                            Ryan Roberts wrote:

                            naturalistic right

                            I did a search on this term and found nothing.

                            ----- If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby. -- Unknown

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                            Ryan Roberts
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                            Is badly phrased, sorry. Romanticism[^] would be better. Nature and Nationalism[^].

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                              And Canada and the US and UK.. Friends of the earth et al moan about commercial forestry too, you should read some of the criticism of Patrick Moore's[^] for working with logging and fish farming companies.

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                              AndyKEnZ
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                              A good read thanks.

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                                ... raping this planet? http://environment.guardian.co.uk/conservation/story/0,,2124251,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=12[^]

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                                TClarke
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                                there is always the chance that the world may follow a self similar pattern observed in most of the life forms on its surface. That is: 1. Grow. 2. Store up food. 3. Breed. 4. Expend most of the stored food bringing up the offspring. 5. Hope they learn enough to make it on their own. 6. When they've gone, recover, repeating from step 2. We may simply be the breeding mechanism of this planet. Billions of years of life on earth has completely loaded the place with fuels. An intelligent life form evolves. It either figures out how to leave home and procreate into the univers before the fuel and food runs out or... well, the world just statrs again. So to answeryour question: not until we've grown up and left.

                                Philosophy: The art of never getting beyond the concept of life.
                                Religion: Morality taking credit for the work of luck.

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                                  ... raping this planet? http://environment.guardian.co.uk/conservation/story/0,,2124251,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=12[^]

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                                  ednrgc
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                                  The planet is in far more danger from idiots, with their ideologies, trying to wipe out others would do not see things their way.

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