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North England temperature data disproves global warming [modified]

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  • K KaRl

    fat_boy wrote:

    it looks flat for the whole century to me.

    It seems to me it is getting hotter since the 70s [^]

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    Lost User
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    Tell you what Karl, plot the rainfall and sunshine figures too. Lets see if the weather is worse, or better and whether there is less cloud cover.

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      Tell you what Karl, plot the rainfall and sunshine figures too. Lets see if the weather is worse, or better and whether there is less cloud cover.

      Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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      Don't you know how to use excel? ;-P

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      • K KaRl

        Don't you know how to use excel? ;-P

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        Not as well as you do...

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        • K KaRl

          Don't you know how to use excel? ;-P

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          Rob Graham
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          I do. the data (converted to monthly average temp (tmax+tmin)/2 )has a very small (0.001 deg/month) positive slope - the newer data is slightly higher (1.4 deg C) than the oldest, but the correlation coefficient (R^2) for the trend line is only 0.0079, which would mean that the data is too noisy to draw any meaningful conclusion(the regression slope accounts for only 0.79% of the variation...)

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            Not as well as you do...

            Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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            KaRl
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            Let's talk about a price then :-D


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            • K KaRl

              Let's talk about a price then :-D


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              I've just spent half an hour messing around and cant get a decent graph. How do you do it?

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                I've just spent half an hour messing around and cant get a decent graph. How do you do it?

                Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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                KaRl
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                I create a column for the X axis, calculated as (year + (month - 1) / 12). Next I create a graph of type 'points cloud' (? "nuages de points" in french, the fifth type in excel 2k).

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                  Year and month when the temperature exceeded 21 degrees Celcius: 1899 7 21.2 1900 7 22.5 1901 7 22.6 1904 7 21.3 1905 7 21.8 1906 8 21.3 1911 7 23.4 1911 8 23.0 1921 7 23.8 1925 7 21.8 1933 7 23.0 1933 8 22.7 1934 7 23.8 1935 7 22.2 1935 8 22.4 1937 8 21.3 1940 6 22.4 1941 7 22.4 1943 7 21.0 1947 8 23.9 1949 7 21.6 1949 8 21.1 1950 6 21.1 1955 7 22.9 1955 8 22.0 1959 7 22.2 1959 8 22.4 1960 6 21.7 1967 7 21.5 1969 7 21.5 1971 7 22.1 1975 7 21.7 1975 8 24.6 1976 6 22.3 1976 7 24.0 1976 8 23.0 1983 7 24.5 1983 8 22.1 1984 7 22.4 1984 8 22.5 1989 7 22.9 1989 8 21.1 1990 7 22.1 1990 8 23.1 1991 7 22.2 1991 8 21.9 1994 7 23.3 1995 7 23.8 1995 8 24.4 1996 7 21.5 1996 8 21.5 1997 7 21.7 1997 8 23.3 1999 7 22.5 2000 8 21.2 2001 7 21.4 2002 8 21.2 2003 6 21.0 2003 7 21.9 2003 8 22.4 2004 8 21.3 2006 6 21.6 2006 7 25.6 [^] Anyone spot a trend? I sure as fuck cant; it looks flat for the whole century to me. And remember AGW freaks, this is real, no bullshit data for the UK Met Office for a weather station in Sheffield. One of the only ones in thecountry with sdata for the whole century. This is FACT, REAL DATA, ,not hyperbole, not computer models, not spin. -- modified at 11:07 Thursday 23rd August, 2007 And thanks to Karl, we have a graph form: http://diderot.free.fr/images/temp.gif[^] Karl hasnt turned from the dark side though, he is just sure he can see a trend.

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                  It certainly seems to be at odds with your model[^] of global warming which predicts that temperatures rise at 16 degrees per year.


                  Peter "Until the invention of the computer, the machine gun was the device that enabled humans to make the most mistakes in the smallest amount of time."

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                  • T TClarke

                    Yeah, but that's the north of England it's been permanently shit there since the dawn of time. :-D

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                    i liked the north of england when i went they're really friendly and the girls are lovely ;) well to us kiwis anyway Bryce

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                    • C cp9876

                      It certainly seems to be at odds with your model[^] of global warming which predicts that temperatures rise at 16 degrees per year.


                      Peter "Until the invention of the computer, the machine gun was the device that enabled humans to make the most mistakes in the smallest amount of time."

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                      I dont even know why I bother replying to such an intentionally stupid post. You know the premis of my 'model' (such as it is by your deffinition) was that the IPCC state there is an extra 1.6 W/m^2 going into the earth. My calculations clearly disprove that. Its impossible. Unless that value isnt really 'extra' but is actually reduced by black body radiation into space. In wich case, why publish the figure?

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                      • K KaRl

                        I create a column for the X axis, calculated as (year + (month - 1) / 12). Next I create a graph of type 'points cloud' (? "nuages de points" in french, the fifth type in excel 2k).

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                        K(arl) wrote:

                        I create a column for the X axis, calculated as (year + (month - 1) / 12).

                        Whats the generic formula for that? ie, can the formulka automatically choose the data from column A for that row?

                        Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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