Pants not on?
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Durban - A crowd of about 200 women began marching from Durban's Umlazi Magistrate's Court in protest against a ban on women wearing trousers in an Inkatha Freedom Party (IFP) area on Friday. At least here the government opposes the 'dress code'.
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Durban - A crowd of about 200 women began marching from Durban's Umlazi Magistrate's Court in protest against a ban on women wearing trousers in an Inkatha Freedom Party (IFP) area on Friday. At least here the government opposes the 'dress code'.
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It doesn't say who imposed the 'ban'. Was it local government?
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No, it was idiots in a residential area that is an Inkatha Freedom Party[^] stronghold. The IFP is a predominantly Zulu political party in that province. This is by no means in line with the official party policies of equality and democracy.
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Durban - A crowd of about 200 women began marching from Durban's Umlazi Magistrate's Court in protest against a ban on women wearing trousers in an Inkatha Freedom Party (IFP) area on Friday. At least here the government opposes the 'dress code'.
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K(arl) wrote:
Johann of Arc
Johann of Arc sounds a lot like a man to me. :confused:
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K(arl) wrote:
Johann of Arc
Johann of Arc sounds a lot like a man to me. :confused:
It may then explain why she was nicknamed the 'Virgin of Orleans' :-D You're right, Jeanne d'Arc, sounds better
When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?
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Durban - A crowd of about 200 women began marching from Durban's Umlazi Magistrate's Court in protest against a ban on women wearing trousers in an Inkatha Freedom Party (IFP) area on Friday. At least here the government opposes the 'dress code'.
Brady Kelly wrote:
At least here the government opposes the 'dress code'.
If the ghettofabulous want to march in protest of a law that prevents them from flashing their underwear as they hold their crotch and walk through a public shopping mall (yes...That is how it works), then they're free to do so. Peaceable assembly is a clearly defined and protected right in the United States. It is interesting, though, that the same group that is so eager to proclaim arbitrary rights that are immune from democracy (like walking around in public in front of children in your underwear) seem to have no interest in seeking my "right" not to participate in a social security system that squanders my money. Just who is it that defines that arbitrary "rights" anyway...
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Brady Kelly wrote:
At least here the government opposes the 'dress code'.
If the ghettofabulous want to march in protest of a law that prevents them from flashing their underwear as they hold their crotch and walk through a public shopping mall (yes...That is how it works), then they're free to do so. Peaceable assembly is a clearly defined and protected right in the United States. It is interesting, though, that the same group that is so eager to proclaim arbitrary rights that are immune from democracy (like walking around in public in front of children in your underwear) seem to have no interest in seeking my "right" not to participate in a social security system that squanders my money. Just who is it that defines that arbitrary "rights" anyway...
Red, I never thought you would stoop to hijacking a thread. In fact, I still don't, so I'll politely remind you that I only posted this because the subject of imposed dress codes was raised last night. It was by no means intended to rekindle that thread however.
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Durban - A crowd of about 200 women began marching from Durban's Umlazi Magistrate's Court in protest against a ban on women wearing trousers in an Inkatha Freedom Party (IFP) area on Friday. At least here the government opposes the 'dress code'.
No picture, no proof!;P
Think of it this way...using a Stradivarius violin to pound nails should not be considered a sound construction technique
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Red, I never thought you would stoop to hijacking a thread. In fact, I still don't, so I'll politely remind you that I only posted this because the subject of imposed dress codes was raised last night. It was by no means intended to rekindle that thread however.
Brady Kelly wrote:
It was by no means intended to rekindle that thread however.
You egged it on by saying "At least here the government opposes the 'dress code'"*. Therefore I have this to say: neener neener. *An obvious criticism of my eager support for anti-sag legislation
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Brady Kelly wrote:
It was by no means intended to rekindle that thread however.
You egged it on by saying "At least here the government opposes the 'dress code'"*. Therefore I have this to say: neener neener. *An obvious criticism of my eager support for anti-sag legislation
The government opposes an arbitrarily imposed dress code, one that has not nor will be legislated, and one that indeed does infringe on women's rights. If it was legislated it may be a different issue.
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The government opposes an arbitrarily imposed dress code, one that has not nor will be legislated, and one that indeed does infringe on women's rights. If it was legislated it may be a different issue.
Brady Kelly wrote:
The government opposes an arbitrarily imposed dress code
So you guys are allowed to walk around naked in public over there?
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Brady Kelly wrote:
The government opposes an arbitrarily imposed dress code
So you guys are allowed to walk around naked in public over there?
No, but women are legally entitled to wear trousers if they so choose, without restriction. We do however have a few nude beaches[^], where nudity is still strictly illegal, but tolerated. Nudity is also allowed in some traditional cultural contexts, but certainly not in 'public' in the conventional sense. BTW, one of our academics has a different concept of conservative to the one we are used to you espousing. he even has a name that almost sounds familiar in the soapbox. Professor Anand Singh, a social anthropologist at the University of KwaZulu-Natal, said that some would view the perpetrators as "die-hard conservatives" as many Africans had progressed beyond viewing women as second-class citizens.
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No picture, no proof!;P
Think of it this way...using a Stradivarius violin to pound nails should not be considered a sound construction technique
What do you want proof of?
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No, but women are legally entitled to wear trousers if they so choose, without restriction. We do however have a few nude beaches[^], where nudity is still strictly illegal, but tolerated. Nudity is also allowed in some traditional cultural contexts, but certainly not in 'public' in the conventional sense. BTW, one of our academics has a different concept of conservative to the one we are used to you espousing. he even has a name that almost sounds familiar in the soapbox. Professor Anand Singh, a social anthropologist at the University of KwaZulu-Natal, said that some would view the perpetrators as "die-hard conservatives" as many Africans had progressed beyond viewing women as second-class citizens.
Brady Kelly wrote:
No, but women are legally entitled to wear trousers if they so choose, without restriction.
Hmmmmm...Can't be naked? That seems like a pretty arbitrary dress code. What if you go shopping wearing nothing but a sheer thong and high heels (be it man or woman). Is that permitted?
Brady Kelly wrote:
BTW, one of our academics has a different concept of conservative to the one we are used to you espousing. he even has a name that almost sounds familiar in the soapbox.
The term "conservative" probably has a different meaning there and its meaning has even changed here over time.
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What do you want proof of?
That a mob of women were wandering the streets knicker-less?
Think of it this way...using a Stradivarius violin to pound nails should not be considered a sound construction technique
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That a mob of women were wandering the streets knicker-less?
Think of it this way...using a Stradivarius violin to pound nails should not be considered a sound construction technique
Say what? The story I linked to was about a mob that attacked a woman for contravening their self imposed dress code by wearing trousers. :confused:
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Brady Kelly wrote:
No, but women are legally entitled to wear trousers if they so choose, without restriction.
Hmmmmm...Can't be naked? That seems like a pretty arbitrary dress code. What if you go shopping wearing nothing but a sheer thong and high heels (be it man or woman). Is that permitted?
Brady Kelly wrote:
BTW, one of our academics has a different concept of conservative to the one we are used to you espousing. he even has a name that almost sounds familiar in the soapbox.
The term "conservative" probably has a different meaning there and its meaning has even changed here over time.
Red Stateler wrote:
Hmmmmm...Can't be naked? That seems like a pretty arbitrary dress code. What if you go shopping wearing nothing but a sheer thong and high heels (be it man or woman). Is that permitted?
We have a common law offence of public indecency. Prosecution would probably hinge on precedent and custom to define just what is indecent.
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Red Stateler wrote:
Hmmmmm...Can't be naked? That seems like a pretty arbitrary dress code. What if you go shopping wearing nothing but a sheer thong and high heels (be it man or woman). Is that permitted?
We have a common law offence of public indecency. Prosecution would probably hinge on precedent and custom to define just what is indecent.
Brady Kelly wrote:
custom to define just what is indecent
And what authority is vested with the power to determine just what is indecent? My point with the other thread was simply that, whether anybody is willing to admit it or not, there is universal agreement that there should be SOME limits imposed on personal behavior by law because oftentimes personal behavior affects the public in some way. There will always be debate as to the extent of restrictions that should be imposed, but in a self-directed democratic society, the authority to define that extent is ultimately vested with the people. The notion that behavior is protected by "rights" is often just a red herring designed to force the minority's will on the majority in an undemocratic way. But FYI, the US constitution would actually prevent a law outlawing the use of pants by women unless pants were outlawed for men as well (i.e. the equal protections clause).
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Brady Kelly wrote:
custom to define just what is indecent
And what authority is vested with the power to determine just what is indecent? My point with the other thread was simply that, whether anybody is willing to admit it or not, there is universal agreement that there should be SOME limits imposed on personal behavior by law because oftentimes personal behavior affects the public in some way. There will always be debate as to the extent of restrictions that should be imposed, but in a self-directed democratic society, the authority to define that extent is ultimately vested with the people. The notion that behavior is protected by "rights" is often just a red herring designed to force the minority's will on the majority in an undemocratic way. But FYI, the US constitution would actually prevent a law outlawing the use of pants by women unless pants were outlawed for men as well (i.e. the equal protections clause).
Red Stateler wrote:
And what authority is vested with the power to determine just what is indecent?
The judiciary.
Red Stateler wrote:
My point with the other thread was simply that,
I know what your point was, and although I disagree with the proposed bill, I do agree with you there.