Irresponsability
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Red Stateler wrote:
The West has decided (wisely or not) to battle its communism with capitalism rather than war.
Rubbish. The western corporations are only dealing with China because it can manufacture products at a cheaper rate. It absolutely has nothing to do with fighting communism.
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Le Centriste wrote:
Rubbish. The western corporations are only dealing with China because it can manufacture products at a cheaper rate. It absolutely has nothing to do with fighting communism.
The only reason US corporations are allowed to do business with China is America's policies. I don't see any corporations manufacturing anything in Cuba...
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Le Centriste wrote:
hey cannot, China makes 99% of what is consumed in America.
BS. I challenge you to support that absurd statement with a link to some factual source.
I think he was using hyperbole.
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Le Centriste wrote:
Rubbish. The western corporations are only dealing with China because it can manufacture products at a cheaper rate. It absolutely has nothing to do with fighting communism.
The only reason US corporations are allowed to do business with China is America's policies. I don't see any corporations manufacturing anything in Cuba...
I know about the Cuba embargo. It is amazing that you are fighting communism in China while Cuba is so close to you. :rolleyes:
----- If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby. -- Unknown God is the only being who, to rule, does not need to exist. -- Charles Baudelaire
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You don't need a link. Make a survey of what is made where in your house.
----- If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby. -- Unknown God is the only being who, to rule, does not need to exist. -- Charles Baudelaire
China trade totals $287 billion[^]. Given that's only 2% of US GDP, I think your estimate might be slightly off...
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Le Centriste wrote:
I know about the Cuba embargo. It is amazing that you are fighting communism in China while Cuba is so close to you.
That's my point. The US government used an embargo to fight communism in Cuba (which didn't work so well) and is using capitalism to fight it in China. I'm not saying it will work...But that's the approach.
It works in your imagination.
----- If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby. -- Unknown God is the only being who, to rule, does not need to exist. -- Charles Baudelaire
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I know about the Cuba embargo. It is amazing that you are fighting communism in China while Cuba is so close to you. :rolleyes:
----- If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby. -- Unknown God is the only being who, to rule, does not need to exist. -- Charles Baudelaire
Le Centriste wrote:
I know about the Cuba embargo. It is amazing that you are fighting communism in China while Cuba is so close to you.
That's my point. The US government used an embargo to fight communism in Cuba (which didn't work so well) and is using capitalism to fight it in China. I'm not saying it will work...But that's the approach.
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You don't need a link. Make a survey of what is made where in your house.
----- If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby. -- Unknown God is the only being who, to rule, does not need to exist. -- Charles Baudelaire
Le Centriste wrote:
trade totals
I buy very few "made in china" goods (all though I recognize that it is impossible to completely avoid Chinese content in some things, like electronics). I prefer "made in America" even if it costs a bit more (you get what you pay for). I'll even stoop to the occasional Canadian or French import...;P
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It works in your imagination.
----- If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby. -- Unknown God is the only being who, to rule, does not need to exist. -- Charles Baudelaire
Le Centriste wrote:
It works in your imagination.
It neither works in reality or my imagination. That's just the approach.
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I think he was using hyperbole.
No, based on his reply to me, he actually believes that bullshit.
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Le Centriste wrote:
trade totals
I buy very few "made in china" goods (all though I recognize that it is impossible to completely avoid Chinese content in some things, like electronics). I prefer "made in America" even if it costs a bit more (you get what you pay for). I'll even stoop to the occasional Canadian or French import...;P
I think then that you are a responsible consumer, but you probably do not represent the average North American. For instance, most supermarkets here only carry chinese garlic. It takes 2 weeks to one month to get it here, and it is half rotten when we buy it. I found a place where they have local garlic, and the difference is amazing, and it does not cost more, especially since I just threw the chinese one in the trash.
Rob Graham wrote:
I'll even stoop to the occasional Canadian or French import...
:->
----- If atheism is a religion, then not collecting stamps is a hobby. -- Unknown God is the only being who, to rule, does not need to exist. -- Charles Baudelaire
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K(arl) wrote:
And Bush's policy made the things worse. Except for Iran, of course.
By what measure? Is Afghanistan worse now? Arguably Iraq is "worse", but primarily because the shackles of an oppresive dictatorship were removed. Now Iraqis are just killing themselves. Is it your opinion that a dictator responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of his own people (if not millions) is preferable?
Red Stateler wrote:
Arguably Iraq is "worse", but primarily because the shackles of an oppresive dictatorship were removed.
Maybe the same applies to all the world the problems you attribute to the rise of atheism. The shackles of an oppressive dictatorship are being removed, and for a while people will experience trouble getting used to their new-found freedom.
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K(arl) wrote:
Iran is now the major, unchallenged power of the region. Its influence has never been that great.
I agree that's a major problem that needs to be dealt with. I don't know that their rise in the region would have been more or less pronounced had the US not invaded Iraq, however.
K(arl) wrote:
So when SH was in power, they did not?
It was more a matter of Hussein killing Iraqis than the Iraqi people killing eachother, but you only support my point as to whether or not Iraq is terribly worse now as compared to under Saddam.
K(arl) wrote:
China is a dictatorship responsible for killing tenths of millions of its own people, and it does not seem to disturb that much western powers.
China is a different matter altogether. The West has decided (wisely or not) to battle its communism with capitalism rather than war. Whether or not that will work remains to be seen.
Red Stateler wrote:
Arguably Iraq is "worse", but primarily because the shackles of an oppresive dictatorship were removed.
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K(arl) wrote:
Iran is now the major, unchallenged power of the region. Its influence has never been that great.
I agree that's a major problem that needs to be dealt with. I don't know that their rise in the region would have been more or less pronounced had the US not invaded Iraq, however.
K(arl) wrote:
So when SH was in power, they did not?
It was more a matter of Hussein killing Iraqis than the Iraqi people killing eachother, but you only support my point as to whether or not Iraq is terribly worse now as compared to under Saddam.
K(arl) wrote:
China is a dictatorship responsible for killing tenths of millions of its own people, and it does not seem to disturb that much western powers.
China is a different matter altogether. The West has decided (wisely or not) to battle its communism with capitalism rather than war. Whether or not that will work remains to be seen.
Red Stateler wrote:
China is a different matter altogether. The West has decided (wisely or not) to battle its communism with capitalism rather than war. Whether or not that will work remains to be seen.
And the effects of that war are begining to be seen, with accusations of inferior quality merchandise flying between the US and China. At least the US has it half won, China is fighting on capitalist terms.
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Bush Warns U.S. Withdrawal From Iraq Would Destabilize Mideast[^]. Of course, the US invasion did not.
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If we would just invade Canada, Mexico, and Venezuela the USA would have plenty of resources and we can tell the rest of the liberal world to pound sand.
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K(arl) wrote:
And Bush's policy made the things worse. Except for Iran, of course.
By what measure? Is Afghanistan worse now? Arguably Iraq is "worse", but primarily because the shackles of an oppresive dictatorship were removed. Now Iraqis are just killing themselves. Is it your opinion that a dictator responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of his own people (if not millions) is preferable?
Red Stateler wrote:
Is it your opinion that a dictator responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of his own people (if not millions) is preferable?
Than an additional million that have died as a result of our invasion? Good question. We killed a million to save hundreds of thousands.
This statement was never false.
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Red Stateler wrote:
Arguably Iraq is "worse", but primarily because the shackles of an oppresive dictatorship were removed.
Maybe the same applies to all the world the problems you attribute to the rise of atheism. The shackles of an oppressive dictatorship are being removed, and for a while people will experience trouble getting used to their new-found freedom.
Brady Kelly wrote:
Maybe the same applies to all the world the problems you attribute to the rise of atheism. The shackles of an oppressive dictatorship are being removed, and for a while people will experience trouble getting used to their new-found freedom.
America's shackles were removed over 200 years ago. Liberalism is slowly reapplying them.
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K(arl) wrote:
killing tenths of millions of its own people
Isn't a tenth of a million 100,000?
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Brady Kelly wrote:
Maybe the same applies to all the world the problems you attribute to the rise of atheism. The shackles of an oppressive dictatorship are being removed, and for a while people will experience trouble getting used to their new-found freedom.
America's shackles were removed over 200 years ago. Liberalism is slowly reapplying them.
I somewhat tongue-in-cheek meant the shackles of organised religion on the whole world, not just America. At national level our shackles were removed in 1994. I italicise our because before then my white skin meant very few shackles except for Christian National Education[^], but I was already educated by 1994.
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No, based on his reply to me, he actually believes that bullshit.
Stunning
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K(arl) wrote:
And Bush's policy made the things worse. Except for Iran, of course.
By what measure? Is Afghanistan worse now? Arguably Iraq is "worse", but primarily because the shackles of an oppresive dictatorship were removed. Now Iraqis are just killing themselves. Is it your opinion that a dictator responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of his own people (if not millions) is preferable?