Friends, advice, and a little pinch of fairy dust
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All of my friends, bar one, smoke. I am always dropping in comments to the effect of "good for you" when they complain about not having had a cigarette for at least an hour, and generally bashing their descions when they choose to light up in front of me. It is no big secret that I detest smoking - both on a "I don't like the habbit" side, and on a "I know that it just isn't worth it" side (having smoked for two years myself before seeing the light). Now, comming from a person that believes that every person has a right to do whatever they please so long as it does not affect anyone else in a bad way, this may sound a little hypocritical, but hey, no-one is perfect are they? Baaaaaa. Oink Oink. Moo. I have suddenly became very concious of the fact I am doing this (before I didn't really think of it at all, it just happened), and I don't want to start coming accross as "the bad friend" so to speak. I rarely win anything out of it, but at least it gives them a five second reminder every once in a while. :confused: What should I do? Bite my tounge and only complain when they force me to breath in thier smoke, or send them all a five year subscription of nicotine patches? ____________________ David Wulff Jason Jystad wrote: You sir, are a nut. Jason Jystad also wrote: You, sir, are very nearly the most terrifying individual I have ever had the honour of meeting.
David Wulff wrote: What should I do? I try and get my programming workmates who smoke to quit if I can. I nag them only every few days about it. My nagging pisses them off a bit, but they know its for their own good. Keep at it I say! You could be saving a life, if not money and future NHS resources! I myself have never smoked (because my dad bet me £1 when I was 5, that I could win at age 21 if I wasn't smoking). My mum cannot smoke in my house when she comes to visit etc. No exceptions, she get kicked out into the garden! Roger Allen Sonork 100.10016 If I had a quote, it would be a very good one.
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All of my friends, bar one, smoke. I am always dropping in comments to the effect of "good for you" when they complain about not having had a cigarette for at least an hour, and generally bashing their descions when they choose to light up in front of me. It is no big secret that I detest smoking - both on a "I don't like the habbit" side, and on a "I know that it just isn't worth it" side (having smoked for two years myself before seeing the light). Now, comming from a person that believes that every person has a right to do whatever they please so long as it does not affect anyone else in a bad way, this may sound a little hypocritical, but hey, no-one is perfect are they? Baaaaaa. Oink Oink. Moo. I have suddenly became very concious of the fact I am doing this (before I didn't really think of it at all, it just happened), and I don't want to start coming accross as "the bad friend" so to speak. I rarely win anything out of it, but at least it gives them a five second reminder every once in a while. :confused: What should I do? Bite my tounge and only complain when they force me to breath in thier smoke, or send them all a five year subscription of nicotine patches? ____________________ David Wulff Jason Jystad wrote: You sir, are a nut. Jason Jystad also wrote: You, sir, are very nearly the most terrifying individual I have ever had the honour of meeting.
Same here. I haven't had a cigarette in a year now, and it's easy to do once you sincerely make the change. I see it like this. If they are close to you and smoke to where you have no other choice but to breathe it without seeming rude then they are invading your rights. If they are a true friend, then they should be willing to step further away when they suck on their cancer stick. If they do that I'll keep my trap shut, but if they don't I have no problem letting them know of their inconsideration. You could send your friends a five-year subscription of cigarettes and suggest they smoke them all at once. :) BTW, congrats on quitting. Jeremy L. Falcon Homepage : Sonork = 100.16311
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Same here. I haven't had a cigarette in a year now, and it's easy to do once you sincerely make the change. I see it like this. If they are close to you and smoke to where you have no other choice but to breathe it without seeming rude then they are invading your rights. If they are a true friend, then they should be willing to step further away when they suck on their cancer stick. If they do that I'll keep my trap shut, but if they don't I have no problem letting them know of their inconsideration. You could send your friends a five-year subscription of cigarettes and suggest they smoke them all at once. :) BTW, congrats on quitting. Jeremy L. Falcon Homepage : Sonork = 100.16311
"It was a blind man who taught me how to see." - AerosmithJeremy Falcon wrote: If they are a true friend, then they should be willing to step further away when they suck on their cancer stick This can be a bit tricky when you are the only non-smoker and you're all sat around a table in a pub!!! :)
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All of my friends, bar one, smoke. I am always dropping in comments to the effect of "good for you" when they complain about not having had a cigarette for at least an hour, and generally bashing their descions when they choose to light up in front of me. It is no big secret that I detest smoking - both on a "I don't like the habbit" side, and on a "I know that it just isn't worth it" side (having smoked for two years myself before seeing the light). Now, comming from a person that believes that every person has a right to do whatever they please so long as it does not affect anyone else in a bad way, this may sound a little hypocritical, but hey, no-one is perfect are they? Baaaaaa. Oink Oink. Moo. I have suddenly became very concious of the fact I am doing this (before I didn't really think of it at all, it just happened), and I don't want to start coming accross as "the bad friend" so to speak. I rarely win anything out of it, but at least it gives them a five second reminder every once in a while. :confused: What should I do? Bite my tounge and only complain when they force me to breath in thier smoke, or send them all a five year subscription of nicotine patches? ____________________ David Wulff Jason Jystad wrote: You sir, are a nut. Jason Jystad also wrote: You, sir, are very nearly the most terrifying individual I have ever had the honour of meeting.
I used to smoke 3 packs a day for a long time, and quit cold turkey. However, that was my personal choice, and I don't feel I have the right to impose my will on others, even if "it's for their own good." When I'm perfect myself, then I'll play God (Moooohahahaha.... Oops. Premature. Sorry.) Until then, I live my life and allow others to live theirs. I always do my best to make people feel comfortable when they want to smoke. I like my friends to be at ease when they visit or when we hang out - that's what a friend does. And when I'm at a bar, I just don't sweat the smoke. I know I'm going to inhale some, and that my clothes are gonna reek when I get home, but so what? I have a washing machine, and if smoke was going to kill me, 3 packs of Camels a day would have done the trick. I mean, after all I've done to my body, it snorts at second hand smoke ("Yeah, bring it on, come on, is that all you got?") Nobody ever successfully quits because they "think they should", and nobody ever quits because people badger them. It's an internal decision that comes on its own timetable. All you do in the meantime is just piss people off, and diminish the time you have to enjoy with your friends. Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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I used to smoke 3 packs a day for a long time, and quit cold turkey. However, that was my personal choice, and I don't feel I have the right to impose my will on others, even if "it's for their own good." When I'm perfect myself, then I'll play God (Moooohahahaha.... Oops. Premature. Sorry.) Until then, I live my life and allow others to live theirs. I always do my best to make people feel comfortable when they want to smoke. I like my friends to be at ease when they visit or when we hang out - that's what a friend does. And when I'm at a bar, I just don't sweat the smoke. I know I'm going to inhale some, and that my clothes are gonna reek when I get home, but so what? I have a washing machine, and if smoke was going to kill me, 3 packs of Camels a day would have done the trick. I mean, after all I've done to my body, it snorts at second hand smoke ("Yeah, bring it on, come on, is that all you got?") Nobody ever successfully quits because they "think they should", and nobody ever quits because people badger them. It's an internal decision that comes on its own timetable. All you do in the meantime is just piss people off, and diminish the time you have to enjoy with your friends. Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
Christopher Duncan wrote: Nobody ever successfully quits because they "think they should", and nobody ever quits because people badger them. It's an internal decision that comes on its own timetable. All you do in the meantime is just piss people off, and diminish the time you have to enjoy with your friends. So utterly true. More people should listen to you. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: If they are a true friend, then they should be willing to step further away when they suck on their cancer stick This can be a bit tricky when you are the only non-smoker and you're all sat around a table in a pub!!! :)
Faith. Believing in something you *know* isn't true.
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: This can be a bit tricky when you are the only non-smoker and you're all sat around a table in a pub!!! Unfortunately that is always the situation with me. :(( ____________________ David Wulff Jason Jystad wrote: You sir, are a nut. Jason Jystad also wrote: You, sir, are very nearly the most terrifying individual I have ever had the honour of meeting.
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All of my friends, bar one, smoke. I am always dropping in comments to the effect of "good for you" when they complain about not having had a cigarette for at least an hour, and generally bashing their descions when they choose to light up in front of me. It is no big secret that I detest smoking - both on a "I don't like the habbit" side, and on a "I know that it just isn't worth it" side (having smoked for two years myself before seeing the light). Now, comming from a person that believes that every person has a right to do whatever they please so long as it does not affect anyone else in a bad way, this may sound a little hypocritical, but hey, no-one is perfect are they? Baaaaaa. Oink Oink. Moo. I have suddenly became very concious of the fact I am doing this (before I didn't really think of it at all, it just happened), and I don't want to start coming accross as "the bad friend" so to speak. I rarely win anything out of it, but at least it gives them a five second reminder every once in a while. :confused: What should I do? Bite my tounge and only complain when they force me to breath in thier smoke, or send them all a five year subscription of nicotine patches? ____________________ David Wulff Jason Jystad wrote: You sir, are a nut. Jason Jystad also wrote: You, sir, are very nearly the most terrifying individual I have ever had the honour of meeting.
Unless your friends are sos stupid that they don't know smoking is bad for them, you should not mention it. Nagging a smoker IMHO could actually cause them to resist make the change to stop smoking and continue longer. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
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Christopher Duncan wrote: Nobody ever successfully quits because they "think they should", and nobody ever quits because people badger them. It's an internal decision that comes on its own timetable. All you do in the meantime is just piss people off, and diminish the time you have to enjoy with your friends. So utterly true. More people should listen to you. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Er, not that I don't piss off a few people on my own, of course... ;) Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: This can be a bit tricky when you are the only non-smoker and you're all sat around a table in a pub!!! Unfortunately that is always the situation with me. :(( ____________________ David Wulff Jason Jystad wrote: You sir, are a nut. Jason Jystad also wrote: You, sir, are very nearly the most terrifying individual I have ever had the honour of meeting.
David Wulff wrote: Unfortunately that is always the situation with me. Well, you're pretty screwed then. ;) :rose: Jeremy L. Falcon Homepage : Sonork = 100.16311
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David Wulff wrote: Unfortunately that is always the situation with me. Well, you're pretty screwed then. ;) :rose: Jeremy L. Falcon Homepage : Sonork = 100.16311
"It was a blind man who taught me how to see." - AerosmithJeremy Falcon wrote: Well, you're pretty screwed then. Pretty... no. Screwed... yes. I might as well start up again just so that I can handle going to the pub and enjoying myself. X| :(( ____________________ David Wulff Jason Jystad wrote: You sir, are a nut. Jason Jystad also wrote: You, sir, are very nearly the most terrifying individual I have ever had the honour of meeting.
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It's not like I phone them up at odd hours in the night and say "I hope your not smoking", or send them e-mail titled "look at this cool anti-smoking web site". I only comment when they bring it up, either by slipping in a (sarcastic as it is) congratualtions when they moan about not having smoked for a few hours, or from a simple 'bellowing of the hands' when they light up next to me and I can't help but cough my lungs up as it is so bad. The worst I have done to date is to take a packet of cigarettes and throw them out of the window of a moving car because everyone was smoking -- it was either they get out and walk home or I do. It was not my car mind you, but it worked. What really gets to me is that no-one seems to show the slightest bit of consideration. I was waiting at Exeter bus station the other day, and on the bench a young student was lighting up another cigarette despite the fact there was an old aged lady sitting next to him coughing like mad. It was disgusting. In the end a man at the other end of the bench kindly offered to exchange places with the lady and gave the lad a good talking too. It just shouldn't be like that. *That* is my problem. ____________________ David Wulff Jason Jystad wrote: You sir, are a nut. Jason Jystad also wrote: You, sir, are very nearly the most terrifying individual I have ever had the honour of meeting.
David Wulff wrote: What really gets to me is that no-one seems to show the slightest bit of consideration. don't let it bother you - people are slime. -c
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Unless your friends are sos stupid that they don't know smoking is bad for them, you should not mention it. Nagging a smoker IMHO could actually cause them to resist make the change to stop smoking and continue longer. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
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It's not like I phone them up at odd hours in the night and say "I hope your not smoking", or send them e-mail titled "look at this cool anti-smoking web site". I only comment when they bring it up, either by slipping in a (sarcastic as it is) congratualtions when they moan about not having smoked for a few hours, or from a simple 'bellowing of the hands' when they light up next to me and I can't help but cough my lungs up as it is so bad. The worst I have done to date is to take a packet of cigarettes and throw them out of the window of a moving car because everyone was smoking -- it was either they get out and walk home or I do. It was not my car mind you, but it worked. What really gets to me is that no-one seems to show the slightest bit of consideration. I was waiting at Exeter bus station the other day, and on the bench a young student was lighting up another cigarette despite the fact there was an old aged lady sitting next to him coughing like mad. It was disgusting. In the end a man at the other end of the bench kindly offered to exchange places with the lady and gave the lad a good talking too. It just shouldn't be like that. *That* is my problem. ____________________ David Wulff Jason Jystad wrote: You sir, are a nut. Jason Jystad also wrote: You, sir, are very nearly the most terrifying individual I have ever had the honour of meeting.
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It's not like I phone them up at odd hours in the night and say "I hope your not smoking", or send them e-mail titled "look at this cool anti-smoking web site". I only comment when they bring it up, either by slipping in a (sarcastic as it is) congratualtions when they moan about not having smoked for a few hours, or from a simple 'bellowing of the hands' when they light up next to me and I can't help but cough my lungs up as it is so bad. The worst I have done to date is to take a packet of cigarettes and throw them out of the window of a moving car because everyone was smoking -- it was either they get out and walk home or I do. It was not my car mind you, but it worked. What really gets to me is that no-one seems to show the slightest bit of consideration. I was waiting at Exeter bus station the other day, and on the bench a young student was lighting up another cigarette despite the fact there was an old aged lady sitting next to him coughing like mad. It was disgusting. In the end a man at the other end of the bench kindly offered to exchange places with the lady and gave the lad a good talking too. It just shouldn't be like that. *That* is my problem. ____________________ David Wulff Jason Jystad wrote: You sir, are a nut. Jason Jystad also wrote: You, sir, are very nearly the most terrifying individual I have ever had the honour of meeting.
David Wulff wrote: The worst I have done to date is to take a packet of cigarettes and throw them out of the window of a moving car because everyone was smoking -- it was either they get out and walk home or I do. It was not my car mind you, but it worked. You know, I really *hate* when people throw cigarettes out of their car windows... .:-D No generalization is 100% true. Not even this one.
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David Wulff wrote: What should I do? I try and get my programming workmates who smoke to quit if I can. I nag them only every few days about it. My nagging pisses them off a bit, but they know its for their own good. Keep at it I say! You could be saving a life, if not money and future NHS resources! I myself have never smoked (because my dad bet me £1 when I was 5, that I could win at age 21 if I wasn't smoking). My mum cannot smoke in my house when she comes to visit etc. No exceptions, she get kicked out into the garden! Roger Allen Sonork 100.10016 If I had a quote, it would be a very good one.
my dad bet me £1 when I was 5, that I could win at age 21 if I wasn't smoking Was that with accrued interest? :)
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It's not like I phone them up at odd hours in the night and say "I hope your not smoking", or send them e-mail titled "look at this cool anti-smoking web site". I only comment when they bring it up, either by slipping in a (sarcastic as it is) congratualtions when they moan about not having smoked for a few hours, or from a simple 'bellowing of the hands' when they light up next to me and I can't help but cough my lungs up as it is so bad. The worst I have done to date is to take a packet of cigarettes and throw them out of the window of a moving car because everyone was smoking -- it was either they get out and walk home or I do. It was not my car mind you, but it worked. What really gets to me is that no-one seems to show the slightest bit of consideration. I was waiting at Exeter bus station the other day, and on the bench a young student was lighting up another cigarette despite the fact there was an old aged lady sitting next to him coughing like mad. It was disgusting. In the end a man at the other end of the bench kindly offered to exchange places with the lady and gave the lad a good talking too. It just shouldn't be like that. *That* is my problem. ____________________ David Wulff Jason Jystad wrote: You sir, are a nut. Jason Jystad also wrote: You, sir, are very nearly the most terrifying individual I have ever had the honour of meeting.
David Wulff wrote: What really gets to me is that no-one seems to show the slightest bit of consideration. Let's not generalize too much, Dave. I've been breathing smoke more years than you've been breathing air, and have consistently been very considerate of non-smokers. I know the risks, and I have tried several times to quit, but the fact remains that I actually do enjoy smoking. I tried the patches, but they didn't work - I must have rolled them too tight, 'cause it was all but impossible to keep them lit. I tried the gum, too, but it kept sticking to the filters. I do want to quit one day for the health benefits, but the perceived benefit still exceeds the known risk for me. In the meantime, I don't smoke next to non-smokers, even in a bar. I prefer not to smoke in restaurants, even where it's allowed, unless there is a well-ventilated area for the non-smokers. I don't throw the butts on the ground, but rather crush them out and toss them in a garbage can. I gleefully provide a one-fingered salute to morons who fling them out of vehicles, or empty their ashtrays in any convenient public parking lot. It shakes them up, too, when I honk and hold up a camera for them to see:-) There are some of us who respect the comfort of others, and know the meaning of consideration:-D Let's Put The Fun Back In Dysfunctional! - My Darts Team T-shirt
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David Wulff wrote: What really gets to me is that no-one seems to show the slightest bit of consideration. Let's not generalize too much, Dave. I've been breathing smoke more years than you've been breathing air, and have consistently been very considerate of non-smokers. I know the risks, and I have tried several times to quit, but the fact remains that I actually do enjoy smoking. I tried the patches, but they didn't work - I must have rolled them too tight, 'cause it was all but impossible to keep them lit. I tried the gum, too, but it kept sticking to the filters. I do want to quit one day for the health benefits, but the perceived benefit still exceeds the known risk for me. In the meantime, I don't smoke next to non-smokers, even in a bar. I prefer not to smoke in restaurants, even where it's allowed, unless there is a well-ventilated area for the non-smokers. I don't throw the butts on the ground, but rather crush them out and toss them in a garbage can. I gleefully provide a one-fingered salute to morons who fling them out of vehicles, or empty their ashtrays in any convenient public parking lot. It shakes them up, too, when I honk and hold up a camera for them to see:-) There are some of us who respect the comfort of others, and know the meaning of consideration:-D Let's Put The Fun Back In Dysfunctional! - My Darts Team T-shirt
Roger Wright wrote: I tried the patches, but they didn't work - I must have rolled them too tight, 'cause it was all but impossible to keep them lit. I tried the gum, too, but it kept sticking to the filters. LOL! Good one Roger :D --------_**
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I used to smoke 3 packs a day for a long time, and quit cold turkey. However, that was my personal choice, and I don't feel I have the right to impose my will on others, even if "it's for their own good." When I'm perfect myself, then I'll play God (Moooohahahaha.... Oops. Premature. Sorry.) Until then, I live my life and allow others to live theirs. I always do my best to make people feel comfortable when they want to smoke. I like my friends to be at ease when they visit or when we hang out - that's what a friend does. And when I'm at a bar, I just don't sweat the smoke. I know I'm going to inhale some, and that my clothes are gonna reek when I get home, but so what? I have a washing machine, and if smoke was going to kill me, 3 packs of Camels a day would have done the trick. I mean, after all I've done to my body, it snorts at second hand smoke ("Yeah, bring it on, come on, is that all you got?") Nobody ever successfully quits because they "think they should", and nobody ever quits because people badger them. It's an internal decision that comes on its own timetable. All you do in the meantime is just piss people off, and diminish the time you have to enjoy with your friends. Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
Christopher Duncan wrote: then I'll play God (Moooohahahaha.... Oops. Premature. Sorry.) :laugh: I can just imagine you wringing you hands and then preparing to cast lightning bolts as you say that. "Premature". Nut case! :D cheers, Chris Maunder
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my dad bet me £1 when I was 5, that I could win at age 21 if I wasn't smoking Was that with accrued interest? :)
Ed Gadziemski wrote: Was that with accrued interest? Unfortunately not. And he didn't want to pay up either! :( But I got that money in the end. I just borrowed £10,000 to help with my mortgage! Roger Allen Sonork 100.10016 If I had a quote, it would be a very good one.
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Sounds like you're being a concerned friend. I wouldn't worry about it until you start yanking cigs out of the mouths of complete strangers.
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Ed Gadziemski wrote: Was that with accrued interest? Unfortunately not. And he didn't want to pay up either! :( But I got that money in the end. I just borrowed £10,000 to help with my mortgage! Roger Allen Sonork 100.10016 If I had a quote, it would be a very good one.
Roger Allen wrote: £10,000 to help with my mortgage! monthly payment? you must have bought a 2 bed flat here in London! Alice thought that running very fast for a long time would get you to somewhere else. " A very slow kind of country!" said the queen. "Now, here , you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place".