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  • R Red Stateler

    Rob Manderson wrote:

    How curious that a political position not coincidental with your own is 'treason'.

    "Political positions" do not include providing aid and comfort to the enemy.


    If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter

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    Patrick Etc
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    Red Stateler wrote:

    "Political positions" do not include providing aid and comfort to the enemy.

    Phew, then I guess those at MoveOn, while a bit misguided, at least aren't traitors.


    The early bird who catches the worm works for someone who comes in late and owns the worm farm. -- Travis McGee

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      You are trying as hard as you can to sound like Ann Coulter aren't you.

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      INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX wrote:

      You are trying as hard as you can to sound like Ann Coulter aren't you.

      You are trying as hard as you can to sound like Corky aren't you.


      If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter

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        Red Stateler wrote:

        "Political positions" do not include providing aid and comfort to the enemy.

        Phew, then I guess those at MoveOn, while a bit misguided, at least aren't traitors.


        The early bird who catches the worm works for someone who comes in late and owns the worm farm. -- Travis McGee

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        Patrick Sears wrote:

        Phew, then I guess those at MoveOn, while a bit misguided, at least aren't traitors.

        Sure they are. You don't think that the enemy found "General Betray-Us" to be comforting? And the fact that they paid for it constitutes "aid".


        If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter

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          INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX wrote:

          You are trying as hard as you can to sound like Ann Coulter aren't you.

          You are trying as hard as you can to sound like Corky aren't you.


          If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter

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          Lost User
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          Who is that? Is that another character off one of those little kid shows you watch?

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            Who is that? Is that another character off one of those little kid shows you watch?

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            Red Stateler
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            Don't you know how to use Google, Kyle? I thought you were a 1337 h4x0r!


            If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter

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              Patrick Sears wrote:

              Phew, then I guess those at MoveOn, while a bit misguided, at least aren't traitors.

              Sure they are. You don't think that the enemy found "General Betray-Us" to be comforting? And the fact that they paid for it constitutes "aid".


              If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter

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              Red Stateler wrote:

              You don't think that the enemy found "General Betray-Us" to be comforting? And the fact that they paid for it constitutes "aid".

              I'll take these statements with the humor in which they must be meant :) I had direct contact with some of the MoveOn organizers when I was in college. It left me really not wanting to interact with them at all; they had a very extreme view of the world.


              The early bird who catches the worm works for someone who comes in late and owns the worm farm. -- Travis McGee

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              • R Red Stateler

                Don't you know how to use Google, Kyle? I thought you were a 1337 h4x0r!


                If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter

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                Or could it be that I don't care enough about what you write to google it?

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                • L Lost User

                  Or could it be that I don't care enough about what you write to google it?

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                  INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX wrote:

                  Or could it be that I don't care enough about what you write to google it?

                  And yet it would have taken less time for you to google "corky" than to respond with your question about who he was.


                  If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter

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                    INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX wrote:

                    Or could it be that I don't care enough about what you write to google it?

                    And yet it would have taken less time for you to google "corky" than to respond with your question about who he was.


                    If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter

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                    And even less if you had just not responded in the first place, seeing how you obviously have nothing worthwhile to say.

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                    • R Red Stateler

                      John Carson wrote:

                      The reason why you have to go back that far to get a lower figure is because in every prior month for 2007, the military casualties were higher than in 2006. Higher in January 2007 than January 2006, higher in February 2007 than February 2006, higher in March 2007 than March 2006...all the way through to August. Thus the case for progress rests on a single month in which the figures were better.

                      Yup. Clearly the insurgents (you know...Those guys you're rooting for) were making progress...Progress which was rolled back by the surge. The question is whether or not that progress is sustainable. Perhaps an even larger surge would push the insurgency into oblivion. Note that one criticism of Rumsfeld was that he did not initially commit enough troops to the battlefield. Maybe that mistake can be rectified.


                      If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter

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                      Red Stateler wrote:

                      Clearly the insurgents (you know...Those guys you're rooting for) were making progress...Progress which was rolled back by the surge.

                      You can't draw such a conclusion from one month's figures. You have learnt nothing from the last 4 years of failure.

                      Red Stateler wrote:

                      Note that one criticism of Rumsfeld was that he did not initially commit enough troops to the battlefield. Maybe that mistake can be rectified.

                      If you had a clue or had any chance of getting one, it might be worthwhile answering you on that point.

                      John Carson

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                      • R Red Stateler

                        INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX wrote:

                        You are trying as hard as you can to sound like Ann Coulter aren't you.

                        You are trying as hard as you can to sound like Corky aren't you.


                        If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter

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                        Red Stateler wrote:

                        Corky

                        The guy with down syndrome from Life Goes On? I loved that show!


                        The early bird who catches the worm works for someone who comes in late and owns the worm farm. -- Travis McGee

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                          Red Stateler wrote:

                          Corky

                          The guy with down syndrome from Life Goes On? I loved that show!


                          The early bird who catches the worm works for someone who comes in late and owns the worm farm. -- Travis McGee

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                          I bet Red loves that show too if there is a guy with downs syndrome on it. That would be a character he could actually relate with!

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                            Red Stateler wrote:

                            Clearly the insurgents (you know...Those guys you're rooting for) were making progress...Progress which was rolled back by the surge.

                            You can't draw such a conclusion from one month's figures. You have learnt nothing from the last 4 years of failure.

                            Red Stateler wrote:

                            Note that one criticism of Rumsfeld was that he did not initially commit enough troops to the battlefield. Maybe that mistake can be rectified.

                            If you had a clue or had any chance of getting one, it might be worthwhile answering you on that point.

                            John Carson

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                            John Carson wrote:

                            You can't draw such a conclusion from one month's figures. You have learnt nothing from the last 4 years of failure.

                            I have learned that insurgent attacks are fairly regular and frequent, which makes this one month's figures relevant. However, sustaining the progress is certainly important. The difference between you and me is that I want progress and signs of improvement make me happy. When you see signs of improvement, you are eager to dismiss them since you don't want progress.

                            John Carson wrote:

                            If you had a clue or had any chance of getting one, it might be worthwhile answering you on that point.

                            If you ever tell me that I have a clue, then I will carefully reexamine whatever I just said.


                            If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter

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                              I bet Red loves that show too if there is a guy with downs syndrome on it. That would be a character he could actually relate with!

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                              Red Stateler
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                              Why do you think I get along so well with your mom?


                              If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter

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                              • R Red Stateler

                                Why do you think I get along so well with your mom?


                                If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter

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                                Wow, a "your mom" joke. That is immature even for you.

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                                  Wow, a "your mom" joke. That is immature even for you.

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                                  Red Stateler
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                                  Your mom thinks I'm pretty mature.


                                  If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter

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                                    Your mom thinks I'm pretty mature.


                                    If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter

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                                    You are just making fun of yourself with your elementary school jokes.

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                                      You are just making fun of yourself with your elementary school jokes.

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                                      INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX wrote:

                                      You are just making fun of yourself with your elementary school jokes.

                                      You know how your mom makes fun of herself? She tells people that she's your mom.


                                      If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter

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                                      • R Red Stateler

                                        INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX wrote:

                                        You are just making fun of yourself with your elementary school jokes.

                                        You know how your mom makes fun of herself? She tells people that she's your mom.


                                        If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter

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                                        You know how your wife makes fun of herself? Tells people that she's your wife.

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                                          Patrick Sears wrote:

                                          Phew, then I guess those at MoveOn, while a bit misguided, at least aren't traitors.

                                          Sure they are. You don't think that the enemy found "General Betray-Us" to be comforting? And the fact that they paid for it constitutes "aid".


                                          If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter

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                                          Chris Kaiser
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                                          Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.... now that there is a clever bit of sophistry. Too bad its a bunch of bull. I bet the enemy finds Bush's actions comforting as well. Not to mention the arms that they seem to be able to acquire from the "contractors" over there. The more I think about it, the more I like your definition of traitor.

                                          This statement was never false.

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