Americans are fat
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
The wife and I were walking around a local festival a few weeks ago and she pointed out a few in-"duh"-viduals who must have weighed 400+ lbs. They were barely able to walk and looked quite pained to be doing so. Each was clutching a big bag of greasy, high calorie, high fat food. To me, it's quite obvious that most of the truly obese just don't give a damn.
I'm sure they give a damn, but they have various personality problems that stop them doing anything effective about it.
John Carson
John Carson wrote:
they have various personality problems that stop them doing anything effective about it.
So do serial killers.
If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter
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Actually it sounds like socialism keeps you slim while capitalism makes you fat. Some take it to the waist while others take it to the wallet.
This statement was never false.
Chris-Kaiser wrote:
Actually it sounds like socialism keeps you slim while capitalism makes you fat. Some take it to the waist while others take it to the wallet.
European foods are not socialized, and the economic dynamics of their socialized health system mimics our own (i.e. the individual does not pay directly).
If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
To me, it's quite obvious that most of the truly obese just don't give a damn.
Which raises a two-part question: 1. If they don't mind being fat, would they mind if they were penalized financially by paying for health care out of pocket? 2. If they really don't care, is it at all sensible that their health care costs be distributed evenly across a group at no extra cost to them (which is generally how group health care works)?
If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter
Red Stateler wrote:
2. If they really don't care, is it at all sensible that their health care costs be distributed evenly across a group at no extra cost to them (which is generally how group health care works)?
that is how health insurance works, period. in the case of group the costs are distributed across members of the group. in the case of individual health insurance, the group is comprised of all the others who buy insurance under the same policy form (plan). group is cheaper because the rates are sort of negotiated between the carier and the group.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Chris-Kaiser wrote:
Actually it sounds like socialism keeps you slim while capitalism makes you fat. Some take it to the waist while others take it to the wallet.
European foods are not socialized, and the economic dynamics of their socialized health system mimics our own (i.e. the individual does not pay directly).
If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter
Red Stateler wrote:
European foods are not socialized, and the economic dynamics of their socialized health system mimics our own (i.e. the individual does not pay directly).
The European socialized health system is only socialized for citizens of their respective EU countries. In France, for example, I have to pay for my own health insurance (as a foreigner). Under such an insurance system, I am reimbursed a percentage of the state-mandated "typical" cost. So, the French government has something like a "fixed price" to treat, say, a broken arm. Let's say 100 Euros. I may go to a hospital and pay, say 120 Euros. The government price is like a "suggested retail price" and the actual price may vary. Depending on the level of private insurance I subscribe to I can be reimbursed 75% of the price, 100% of the price or up to 150% of the price (i.e. if the hospital charged me 200 Euros to treat my arm, I would be reimbursed up to 150 Euros). However, if I make too many claims, the insurance company reserves the right to cancel my contract with them...
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
To me, it's quite obvious that most of the truly obese just don't give a damn.
Which raises a two-part question: 1. If they don't mind being fat, would they mind if they were penalized financially by paying for health care out of pocket? 2. If they really don't care, is it at all sensible that their health care costs be distributed evenly across a group at no extra cost to them (which is generally how group health care works)?
If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter
Study the relationship of Cortisol and the need to feel better and fat people. Then couple that with a Fat Food culture that makes it oh so convenient to eat grease cheaply for every meal. Basically Cortisol production increases with certain binge foods and alcohol to alleviate stress. Which also contributes to fat. Fat Bastard put it best: "I eat because I'm unhappy and I'm unhappy because I eat, its a vicious cycle."
This statement was never false.
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fat_boy wrote:
France spends more per capita than anywhere else in the world on food. And have one of the lowest incidences of heart disease, strokes, and cancer.
That doesn't surprise me as the poor in the US, who spend far less on food, also suffer higher rates of obesity.
If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter
All in a word: McDonald's.
This statement was never false.
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Having recognized the consequences of being fat, can I ask you...Are you fat?
If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter
Fatter'n fat_boy, i'll wager... :->
every night, i kneel at the foot of my bed and thank the Great Overseeing Politicians for protecting my freedoms by reducing their number, as if they were deer in a state park. -- Chris Losinger, Online Poker Players?
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fat_boy wrote:
Not buying Burgundies eh? Dont blame you, I always find them thin, claret is better. What did you pay for it, about 45 euros?
73Zeppelin wrote:
Not quite 45 Euros, no.
Holy mama that must be a good bottle of wine. Now I'm jealous. :->
The early bird who catches the worm works for someone who comes in late and owns the worm farm. -- Travis McGee
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Someone needs to invent food thats good tasting, filling, inexpensive, and low calorie. Currently you can't get the 1st 3 without it being fattening junk. :(( And don't be suggesting salads. X| That's what food eats before it's processed into a nice thick rare steak. :cool:
-- If you view money as inherently evil, I view it as my duty to assist in making you more virtuous.
dan neely wrote:
Someone needs to invent food thats good tasting, filling, inexpensive, and low calorie.
I think the quest for that kind of food is what has gotten us into this mess. If you have filling food, low calorie isn't quite that important nor is cost because you don't eat as much. Highly processed cheap food, even low calorie food just leaves you craving more and screws with your body's metabolism.
dan neely wrote:
And don't be suggesting salads.
At least not that iceburg crap. Good dark greens raw and cooked are some of the best foods out there as far as nutrient density goes. Add some good colorful veggies and I can eat that all day.
dan neely wrote:
That's what food eats before it's processed into a nice thick rare steak.
Stay away from grain and hormone fed though that's barely even beef.
This blanket smells like ham
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
The wife and I were walking around a local festival a few weeks ago and she pointed out a few in-"duh"-viduals who must have weighed 400+ lbs. They were barely able to walk and looked quite pained to be doing so. Each was clutching a big bag of greasy, high calorie, high fat food. To me, it's quite obvious that most of the truly obese just don't give a damn.
I'm sure they give a damn, but they have various personality problems that stop them doing anything effective about it.
John Carson
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73Zeppelin wrote:
Not quite 45 Euros, no.
Holy mama that must be a good bottle of wine. Now I'm jealous. :->
The early bird who catches the worm works for someone who comes in late and owns the worm farm. -- Travis McGee
Patrick Sears wrote:
Holy mama that must be a good bottle of wine. Now I'm jealous.
I got it via some "insider trading", so to speak. It's not something I normally would do. :-O
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dan neely wrote:
Someone needs to invent food thats good tasting, filling, inexpensive, and low calorie.
I think the quest for that kind of food is what has gotten us into this mess. If you have filling food, low calorie isn't quite that important nor is cost because you don't eat as much. Highly processed cheap food, even low calorie food just leaves you craving more and screws with your body's metabolism.
dan neely wrote:
And don't be suggesting salads.
At least not that iceburg crap. Good dark greens raw and cooked are some of the best foods out there as far as nutrient density goes. Add some good colorful veggies and I can eat that all day.
dan neely wrote:
That's what food eats before it's processed into a nice thick rare steak.
Stay away from grain and hormone fed though that's barely even beef.
This blanket smells like ham
That's pretty much how I eat - lots of dark greens, colourful veggies and little meat. I also mix in some whey protein with my milk. I do that on the advice of a physician who treated me for some problems when I was in Switzerland. If anything, it's helped me put on a bit of muscle mass. The high protein content also helps me to feel full. I never just drink it on it's own though - I always add some solid food along with it.
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dan neely wrote:
Someone needs to invent food thats good tasting, filling, inexpensive, and low calorie.
I think the quest for that kind of food is what has gotten us into this mess. If you have filling food, low calorie isn't quite that important nor is cost because you don't eat as much. Highly processed cheap food, even low calorie food just leaves you craving more and screws with your body's metabolism.
dan neely wrote:
And don't be suggesting salads.
At least not that iceburg crap. Good dark greens raw and cooked are some of the best foods out there as far as nutrient density goes. Add some good colorful veggies and I can eat that all day.
dan neely wrote:
That's what food eats before it's processed into a nice thick rare steak.
Stay away from grain and hormone fed though that's barely even beef.
This blanket smells like ham
Andy Brummer wrote:
Stay away from grain and hormone fed though that's barely even beef.
Find me a place to buy organic beef in reasonably small quantities (I rent and don't have room for a large freezer) that won't break the bank. I pay extra for the leaner stuff at the supermarket but beyond that I don't have many options.
-- If you view money as inherently evil, I view it as my duty to assist in making you more virtuous.
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That's pretty much how I eat - lots of dark greens, colourful veggies and little meat. I also mix in some whey protein with my milk. I do that on the advice of a physician who treated me for some problems when I was in Switzerland. If anything, it's helped me put on a bit of muscle mass. The high protein content also helps me to feel full. I never just drink it on it's own though - I always add some solid food along with it.
Same here with eggs and cheese instead of meat. I haven't needed the whey protein, just some good high intensity exercise to put on some muscle mass.
This blanket smells like ham
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Andy Brummer wrote:
Stay away from grain and hormone fed though that's barely even beef.
Find me a place to buy organic beef in reasonably small quantities (I rent and don't have room for a large freezer) that won't break the bank. I pay extra for the leaner stuff at the supermarket but beyond that I don't have many options.
-- If you view money as inherently evil, I view it as my duty to assist in making you more virtuous.
You might want to give this a try. Also searching for grass fed beef and your area might turn up some ranches near you that aren't on this list. Eat Wild[^] Also as far as veggies go, some of your local farms might have some programs like scott arbor[^]. I just signed up for the winter season and I'm stoked.
This blanket smells like ham
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Same here with eggs and cheese instead of meat. I haven't needed the whey protein, just some good high intensity exercise to put on some muscle mass.
This blanket smells like ham
I was told a couple of interesting things by this specialist - he was a gastro-intestinal doctor. I was diagnosed with multiple pre-cancerous lesions in my intestinal tract with no family history of such a condition and at a young age (just glanced at your bio - we're the same age). As a result I am in a high-risk category for bowel cancer. He told me the best things I could do were to: 1. Eat a Mediterranean diet - lots of fish, olive oil, olives, cheese, tomatoes, colourful veggies (think Greek food) 2. Have a glass (one) of red wine with dinner (apparently there is some evidence that red wine in moderate quantities prevents bowel cancer) 3. Stay away from beer :(( (this has been especially hard for me as I love beer) 4. Take whey protein (for the immune system effects) 5. Exercise I also drink alot of green and mint tea. I am very careful to buy foods with no additives or preservatives. I'm lucky now that I'm in France because we have a farmer's market here and I can even buy unpasteurized milk and lots of biological veggies. I must say that the taste of the market vegetables compared to the supermarket vegetables is quite noticeable. As a bonus, they are cheaper too because they come direct from the farmer with no middleman. I've also learned alot about food and cooking recipes for a Mediterranean diet. I recommend it to anyone looking for a healthier way to eat.
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Chris-Kaiser wrote:
Actually it sounds like socialism keeps you slim while capitalism makes you fat. Some take it to the waist while others take it to the wallet.
European foods are not socialized, and the economic dynamics of their socialized health system mimics our own (i.e. the individual does not pay directly).
If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter
Well, I was making a joke. Of course there are those Americans who take it both to the waist and the wallet.
This statement was never false.
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Red Stateler wrote:
2. If they really don't care, is it at all sensible that their health care costs be distributed evenly across a group at no extra cost to them (which is generally how group health care works)?
that is how health insurance works, period. in the case of group the costs are distributed across members of the group. in the case of individual health insurance, the group is comprised of all the others who buy insurance under the same policy form (plan). group is cheaper because the rates are sort of negotiated between the carier and the group.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
that is how health insurance works, period. in the case of group the costs are distributed across members of the group. in the case of individual health insurance, the group is comprised of all the others who buy insurance under the same policy form (plan). group is cheaper because the rates are sort of negotiated between the carier and the group.
So individual health insurance doesn't take the health of the insured into account (and raise the rates or deny coverage to the unhealthy)?
If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter
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I was told a couple of interesting things by this specialist - he was a gastro-intestinal doctor. I was diagnosed with multiple pre-cancerous lesions in my intestinal tract with no family history of such a condition and at a young age (just glanced at your bio - we're the same age). As a result I am in a high-risk category for bowel cancer. He told me the best things I could do were to: 1. Eat a Mediterranean diet - lots of fish, olive oil, olives, cheese, tomatoes, colourful veggies (think Greek food) 2. Have a glass (one) of red wine with dinner (apparently there is some evidence that red wine in moderate quantities prevents bowel cancer) 3. Stay away from beer :(( (this has been especially hard for me as I love beer) 4. Take whey protein (for the immune system effects) 5. Exercise I also drink alot of green and mint tea. I am very careful to buy foods with no additives or preservatives. I'm lucky now that I'm in France because we have a farmer's market here and I can even buy unpasteurized milk and lots of biological veggies. I must say that the taste of the market vegetables compared to the supermarket vegetables is quite noticeable. As a bonus, they are cheaper too because they come direct from the farmer with no middleman. I've also learned alot about food and cooking recipes for a Mediterranean diet. I recommend it to anyone looking for a healthier way to eat.
I wish the farmer's market was cheaper then the grocery store. As it is you can get organic veggies for about the same as conventional veggies here.
73Zeppelin wrote:
can even buy unpasteurized milk
I've been looking for unpasturized milk, but there isn't a local farmer producing it around here yet. I can get some unpasteurized cheeses and I do that whenever I can, especially goat cheese. Unfortunately I can't eat any aged cheese since it gives me severe headaches. I've been doing a lot of the workouts and following some of the diet advice from Ross Training[^]. The workouts he shows on his website are the ones that he does, which means that they are insanely intense. There are plenty of good beginning body weight exercises on that site that I've been starting off with. I've also given up all alcohol which has been hard since I really enjoy beer and wine.
This blanket smells like ham
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
that is how health insurance works, period. in the case of group the costs are distributed across members of the group. in the case of individual health insurance, the group is comprised of all the others who buy insurance under the same policy form (plan). group is cheaper because the rates are sort of negotiated between the carier and the group.
So individual health insurance doesn't take the health of the insured into account (and raise the rates or deny coverage to the unhealthy)?
If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter
Red Stateler wrote:
So individual health insurance doesn't take the health of the insured into account (and raise the rates or deny coverage to the unhealthy)?
it does to an extent. a health insurance carrier (individual insurance) will underwrite an insured. Depending on the company guidelines it may or may not cover someone with a health problem. A health problem will ometimes be ridered (specifically excluded from coverage) or be rated (an additional amount added to the premium) or if severe enough the proposed insured will be denied coverage. When I said, "costs distributed across others who buy the same plan", what I was referring to was what takes place after the cotract is issued. Health insurance is a product that is renewable annually and there's no premium freeze. A company tracks their claims experience against premium income by policy form. When the claim costs exceed a certain percentage of the premium income the company can do what is referred to as "re-rate" or increase premiums on the block of business (typically within a policy form and geographic area) - which means the cost of insurance goes up. The effect is that if you're healthy, and have been insured under the same plan for a period of time then your premium costs (personally) are higher than the costs would be if you went and bought another plan. But if you have health problems you need to hold on to the contract you have.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.