The Klan in Congress [modified]
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led mike wrote:
Of course not! "The Klan in Congress"
That was just my ironic title to hook you in. :) If race played a role, I personally only think it did to the extent that the Democratic Party wanted to maintain its political monopoly on the black vote (which it historically had) and Thomas would pose a threat to that. Despite having relevance to race, however, that is also a political motivation. I think that he is brilliant and didn't deserve to be dragged through the mud over 10-year-old, unsubstantiated, he-said/she-said allegations made by a "Womens Studies" graduate who asked if she could follow Thomas to another department after the "harassment" supposedly occurred. And who cares if he said there was a hair on his Coke anyway?
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
Red Stateler wrote:
and didn't deserve to be dragged through the mud over 10-year-old, unsubstantiated, he-said/she-said allegations made by a
.... group of politically affiliated veterans called the swift boats veterans for justice? Wait in their case the unsubstantiated allegations were ZERO years old I guess. More evidence of your double standard hypocrisy. :zzz:
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Red Stateler wrote:
and didn't deserve to be dragged through the mud over 10-year-old, unsubstantiated, he-said/she-said allegations made by a
.... group of politically affiliated veterans called the swift boats veterans for justice? Wait in their case the unsubstantiated allegations were ZERO years old I guess. More evidence of your double standard hypocrisy. :zzz:
led mike wrote:
.... group of politically affiliated veterans called the swift boats veterans for justice? Wait in their case the unsubstantiated allegations were ZERO years old I guess. More evidence of your double standard hypocrisy.
In order for it to be hypocritical, I'd have to support the Swift Boat Veterans for Justice. You can search my history, and I'm sure you won't find any as their is simply too much ambiguity for that campaign to have my support. I know there was some contention regarding their claims, and I don't know whether or not they have been substantiated. If they were false, then I think their effort was simply wrong. I don't know about John Kerry's military record, but I do know that I find his well-documented behavior afterwards to be nothing short of appalling. But that's a horse of a different color.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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led mike wrote:
Of course not! "The Klan in Congress"
That was just my ironic title to hook you in. :) If race played a role, I personally only think it did to the extent that the Democratic Party wanted to maintain its political monopoly on the black vote (which it historically had) and Thomas would pose a threat to that. Despite having relevance to race, however, that is also a political motivation. I think that he is brilliant and didn't deserve to be dragged through the mud over 10-year-old, unsubstantiated, he-said/she-said allegations made by a "Womens Studies" graduate who asked if she could follow Thomas to another department after the "harassment" supposedly occurred. And who cares if he said there was a hair on his Coke anyway?
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
All quotes taken from these 2 articles http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/02/AR2007100201822.html[^] http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/02/opinion/02hill.html?_r=1&n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fPeople%2fH%2fHill%2c%20Anita&oref=slogin[^]
Red Stateler wrote:
deserve to be dragged through the mud over 10-year-old
"First, Hill did not wait 10 years to complain about his behavior. Susan Hoerchner, a Yale Law School classmate of Hill's, described how she complained of sexual harassment while working for Thomas, saying the EEOC chairman had "repeatedly asked her out . . . but wouldn't seem to take 'no' for an answer." Ellen Wells, a friend, said Hill had come to her, "deeply troubled and very depressed," with complaints about Thomas's inappropriate behavior. John Carr, a lawyer, said that Hill, in tears, confided that "her boss was making sexual advances toward her." American University law professor Joel Paul said Hill had told him in 1987 that she had left the EEOC because she had been sexually harassed by her supervisor."
Red Stateler wrote:
unsubstantiated, he-said/she-said allegations
"Second, Hill was not the only former subordinate of Thomas's with complaints. Former EEOC employee Angela Wright described how Thomas pressured her to date him, showed up uninvited at her apartment and asked her breast size. "Clarence Thomas would say to me, 'You know you need to be dating me. . . . You're one of the finest women I have on my staff," Wright told Senate investigators. Wright's account was corroborated by Rose Jourdain, a former speechwriter who, like Wright, was dismissed by Thomas. Jourdain said Wright had complained that she was "increasingly nervous about being in his presence alone" because of comments "concerning her figure, her body, her breasts, her legs." Another former Thomas employee, Sukari
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All quotes taken from these 2 articles http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/02/AR2007100201822.html[^] http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/02/opinion/02hill.html?_r=1&n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fPeople%2fH%2fHill%2c%20Anita&oref=slogin[^]
Red Stateler wrote:
deserve to be dragged through the mud over 10-year-old
"First, Hill did not wait 10 years to complain about his behavior. Susan Hoerchner, a Yale Law School classmate of Hill's, described how she complained of sexual harassment while working for Thomas, saying the EEOC chairman had "repeatedly asked her out . . . but wouldn't seem to take 'no' for an answer." Ellen Wells, a friend, said Hill had come to her, "deeply troubled and very depressed," with complaints about Thomas's inappropriate behavior. John Carr, a lawyer, said that Hill, in tears, confided that "her boss was making sexual advances toward her." American University law professor Joel Paul said Hill had told him in 1987 that she had left the EEOC because she had been sexually harassed by her supervisor."
Red Stateler wrote:
unsubstantiated, he-said/she-said allegations
"Second, Hill was not the only former subordinate of Thomas's with complaints. Former EEOC employee Angela Wright described how Thomas pressured her to date him, showed up uninvited at her apartment and asked her breast size. "Clarence Thomas would say to me, 'You know you need to be dating me. . . . You're one of the finest women I have on my staff," Wright told Senate investigators. Wright's account was corroborated by Rose Jourdain, a former speechwriter who, like Wright, was dismissed by Thomas. Jourdain said Wright had complained that she was "increasingly nervous about being in his presence alone" because of comments "concerning her figure, her body, her breasts, her legs." Another former Thomas employee, Sukari
Yeah, I already read that article. It was another lame attack against him with exceedingly loose corroboration. She NEVER filed a complaint and even asked him if she could follow him when he moved to a different department. Of course if you accept Anita Hill's testimony based on that rather loose corroboration, then you'd have to accept that Bill Clinton is guilty of rape (since there was a much stronger corroboration). Do you? But to put things back into perspective (as you're taking the typical politically-motivated personal attack)...The guy allegedly commented on a woman's legs. how retarded is it that it would even be an issue? :confused:
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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All quotes taken from these 2 articles http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/02/AR2007100201822.html[^] http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/02/opinion/02hill.html?_r=1&n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fPeople%2fH%2fHill%2c%20Anita&oref=slogin[^]
Red Stateler wrote:
deserve to be dragged through the mud over 10-year-old
"First, Hill did not wait 10 years to complain about his behavior. Susan Hoerchner, a Yale Law School classmate of Hill's, described how she complained of sexual harassment while working for Thomas, saying the EEOC chairman had "repeatedly asked her out . . . but wouldn't seem to take 'no' for an answer." Ellen Wells, a friend, said Hill had come to her, "deeply troubled and very depressed," with complaints about Thomas's inappropriate behavior. John Carr, a lawyer, said that Hill, in tears, confided that "her boss was making sexual advances toward her." American University law professor Joel Paul said Hill had told him in 1987 that she had left the EEOC because she had been sexually harassed by her supervisor."
Red Stateler wrote:
unsubstantiated, he-said/she-said allegations
"Second, Hill was not the only former subordinate of Thomas's with complaints. Former EEOC employee Angela Wright described how Thomas pressured her to date him, showed up uninvited at her apartment and asked her breast size. "Clarence Thomas would say to me, 'You know you need to be dating me. . . . You're one of the finest women I have on my staff," Wright told Senate investigators. Wright's account was corroborated by Rose Jourdain, a former speechwriter who, like Wright, was dismissed by Thomas. Jourdain said Wright had complained that she was "increasingly nervous about being in his presence alone" because of comments "concerning her figure, her body, her breasts, her legs." Another former Thomas employee, Sukari
oilFactotum wrote:
"I was fully qualified to work in the government, having graduated from Yale Law School (his alma mater, which he calls one of the finest in the country), and passed the District of Columbia Bar exam, one of the toughest in the nation." "In efforts to assail their accusers’ credibility, detractors routinely diminish people’s professional contributions."
And how does this even address the point that she was a womens studies graduate? I konw she was a Yale law grad. Her bachelors focused on Womens Studies, which encourages women to use their sexuality as power over men. I'm not surprised that, in your consistent idiocy, that you missed that.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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Yeah, I already read that article. It was another lame attack against him with exceedingly loose corroboration. She NEVER filed a complaint and even asked him if she could follow him when he moved to a different department. Of course if you accept Anita Hill's testimony based on that rather loose corroboration, then you'd have to accept that Bill Clinton is guilty of rape (since there was a much stronger corroboration). Do you? But to put things back into perspective (as you're taking the typical politically-motivated personal attack)...The guy allegedly commented on a woman's legs. how retarded is it that it would even be an issue? :confused:
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
Red Stateler wrote:
The guy allegedly commented on a woman's legs. how retarded is it that it would even be an issue?
"when attacks on the accusers’ credibility fail, those accused of workplace improprieties downgrade the level of harm that may have occurred. When sensing that others will believe their accusers’ versions of events, individuals confronted with their own bad behavior try to reduce legitimate concerns to the level of mere words or “slights” that should be dismissed without discussion."
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oilFactotum wrote:
"I was fully qualified to work in the government, having graduated from Yale Law School (his alma mater, which he calls one of the finest in the country), and passed the District of Columbia Bar exam, one of the toughest in the nation." "In efforts to assail their accusers’ credibility, detractors routinely diminish people’s professional contributions."
And how does this even address the point that she was a womens studies graduate? I konw she was a Yale law grad. Her bachelors focused on Womens Studies, which encourages women to use their sexuality as power over men. I'm not surprised that, in your consistent idiocy, that you missed that.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
"In efforts to assail their accusers’ credibility, detractors routinely diminish people’s professional contributions."
Red Stateler wrote:
Her bachelors focused on Womens Studies, which encourages women to use their sexuality as power over men.
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Red Stateler wrote:
The guy allegedly commented on a woman's legs. how retarded is it that it would even be an issue?
"when attacks on the accusers’ credibility fail, those accused of workplace improprieties downgrade the level of harm that may have occurred. When sensing that others will believe their accusers’ versions of events, individuals confronted with their own bad behavior try to reduce legitimate concerns to the level of mere words or “slights” that should be dismissed without discussion."
oilFactotum wrote:
"when attacks on the accusers’ credibility fail, those accused of workplace improprieties downgrade the level of harm that may have occurred. When sensing that others will believe their accusers’ versions of events, individuals confronted with their own bad behavior try to reduce legitimate concerns to the level of mere words or “slights” that should be dismissed without discussion."
Yeah, I already told you that I read that article before you did. That is a preemptive attack on anybody who criticized the obvious insignificance of her charges (as though pointing out that others will make that point immediately invalidates it). Even at the time, nobody had heard of sexual harassment and didn't even know the term existed (thus highlighting the insignificance). The insignificance is further highlighted by Hill's own actions. She never filed a complaint and even eagerly followed Thomas when he switched to a new department...after he supposedly sexually harassed her. Hardly the behavior of a charge not worthy of dismissal, is it? Preemptively stating that someone will make an obvious point is a classic argumentative tactic, but it does not carry any weight whatsoever as the point to be made is...well...obvious. You, in your consistent idiocy, are unsurprisingly susceptible to that tactic. But you avoided my question. Do you believe that Bill Clinton is a rapist?
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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"In efforts to assail their accusers’ credibility, detractors routinely diminish people’s professional contributions."
Red Stateler wrote:
Her bachelors focused on Womens Studies, which encourages women to use their sexuality as power over men.
Where did I "diminish her professional contributions", moron?
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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led mike wrote:
.... group of politically affiliated veterans called the swift boats veterans for justice? Wait in their case the unsubstantiated allegations were ZERO years old I guess. More evidence of your double standard hypocrisy.
In order for it to be hypocritical, I'd have to support the Swift Boat Veterans for Justice. You can search my history, and I'm sure you won't find any as their is simply too much ambiguity for that campaign to have my support. I know there was some contention regarding their claims, and I don't know whether or not they have been substantiated. If they were false, then I think their effort was simply wrong. I don't know about John Kerry's military record, but I do know that I find his well-documented behavior afterwards to be nothing short of appalling. But that's a horse of a different color.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
Red Stateler wrote:
In order for it to be hypocritical, I'd have to support the Swift Boat Veterans for Justice.
Yes. I made the assumption that you would have, that's what happens when people make assumptions. ;)
Red Stateler wrote:
I find his well-documented behavior afterwards to be nothing short of appalling
I don't know about appalling but I never liked him. I just thought he was the better of two poor choices and now years later it is difficult to believe anything else but of course there is no way to know. Bush is the worst president ever but Kerry could also have accomplished the same standing even though he might have been a slight improvement.
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HA HA HA the whole time I thought you were trying to be funny, but you've seriously been spelling my username wrong this whole time! :laugh: Can you possibly embarrass yourself further? We don't have prisons to control what jokes people make about your wife. Typical fascist.
Grow up (if you can) you little twerp.
John P.
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Grow up (if you can) you little twerp.
John P.
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"For all the fear I had known as a boy in Savannah, this was the first time I
found myself at the mercy of people who would do whatever they could to hurt me," the
Georgia native wrote in the book. "And the institution that had once prided themselves
on bringing segregation and its abuses to an end were aiding and abetting in the
assault."Is it surprising that Clarence Thomas (one of the more brilliant members of the Supreme Court) faced his greatest threat not from the Klan (which existed in his segregated Georgia youth), but from the people who purport to help people like him...The left? I look forward to reading his memoir as his is life is both the epitome of the American Dream and a tragedy caused by those who opposed his achievement of it. Another quote from his book:[^]
"I'd grown up fearing the lynch mobs of the Ku Klux Klan; as an adult, I was
starting to wonder if I'd been afraid of the wrong white people all along. My
worst fears had come to pass not in Georgia but in Washington, D.C., where I was
being pursued not by bigots in white robes but by left-wing zealots draped in
flowing sanctimony."Wow... -- modified at 12:28 Wednesday 3rd October, 2007
Anybody rape your wife yet? -AmIChrisMcCall
The guy is only confirming what a mistake it was to appoint him. He apparently doesn't realise that judges are supposed to conduct themselves with a degree of decorum so that those appearing before them might think they have a chance at a fair hearing. Engaging in a bitter partisan rant such as this is completely inappropriate.
John Carson
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Red Stateler wrote:
In order for it to be hypocritical, I'd have to support the Swift Boat Veterans for Justice.
Yes. I made the assumption that you would have, that's what happens when people make assumptions. ;)
Red Stateler wrote:
I find his well-documented behavior afterwards to be nothing short of appalling
I don't know about appalling but I never liked him. I just thought he was the better of two poor choices and now years later it is difficult to believe anything else but of course there is no way to know. Bush is the worst president ever but Kerry could also have accomplished the same standing even though he might have been a slight improvement.
led mike wrote:
Yes. I made the assumption that you would have, that's what happens when people make assumptions.
The Swift Boat Veterans for Justice is, like MoveOn.org, a result of McCain-Feingold. There will be many more organizations just like them and nothing truly fruitful will come out of it.
led mike wrote:
I don't know about appalling but I never liked him. I just thought he was the better of two poor choices and now years later it is difficult to believe anything else but of course there is no way to know. Bush is the worst president ever but Kerry could also have accomplished the same standing even though he might have been a slight improvement.
To be honest, I don't know that there would be much difference. If Kerry had won, my guess would be that Congress would not have switched hands, making it business as usual.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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The guy is only confirming what a mistake it was to appoint him. He apparently doesn't realise that judges are supposed to conduct themselves with a degree of decorum so that those appearing before them might think they have a chance at a fair hearing. Engaging in a bitter partisan rant such as this is completely inappropriate.
John Carson
John Carson wrote:
Engaging in a bitter partisan rant such as this is completely inappropriate.
Why? He was smeared on a completely partisan basis and his smearing was one of the most significant events of his life. Why shouldn't he put his opinion of it in his memoir?
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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John Carson wrote:
Engaging in a bitter partisan rant such as this is completely inappropriate.
Why? He was smeared on a completely partisan basis and his smearing was one of the most significant events of his life. Why shouldn't he put his opinion of it in his memoir?
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
Red Stateler wrote:
Why?
I have already explained why. Unfortunately, I can't give you the power of comprehension.
John Carson
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Red Stateler wrote:
Why?
I have already explained why. Unfortunately, I can't give you the power of comprehension.
John Carson
John Carson wrote:
I have already explained why. Unfortunately, I can't give you the power of comprehension.
You gave an inadequate explanation to which I countered with a question. The fact that he is a judge does not preclude him from opinion in private life. Ginsburg certainly has no shortage of them, but I don't hear any complaints there.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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Grow up (if you can) you little twerp.
John P.
I should put this terrific insult in my signature!
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led mike wrote:
Yes. I made the assumption that you would have, that's what happens when people make assumptions.
The Swift Boat Veterans for Justice is, like MoveOn.org, a result of McCain-Feingold. There will be many more organizations just like them and nothing truly fruitful will come out of it.
led mike wrote:
I don't know about appalling but I never liked him. I just thought he was the better of two poor choices and now years later it is difficult to believe anything else but of course there is no way to know. Bush is the worst president ever but Kerry could also have accomplished the same standing even though he might have been a slight improvement.
To be honest, I don't know that there would be much difference. If Kerry had won, my guess would be that Congress would not have switched hands, making it business as usual.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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John Carson wrote:
I have already explained why. Unfortunately, I can't give you the power of comprehension.
You gave an inadequate explanation to which I countered with a question. The fact that he is a judge does not preclude him from opinion in private life. Ginsburg certainly has no shortage of them, but I don't hear any complaints there.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
Red Stateler wrote:
You gave an inadequate explanation to which I countered with a question. The fact that he is a judge does not preclude him from opinion in private life. Ginsburg certainly has no shortage of them, but I don't hear any complaints there.
I referred to "bitter partisan rants", not having an opinion in private life. I don't keep close tabs on Ginsburg, but I don't believe she has ever said anything remotely similar.
John Carson