Green Capitalism
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Patrick Sears wrote:
I think he was replying to the LED lights - LEDs are monochromatic and probably always will be due to the science behind the technology.
I was referring to the newer white LEDs which, from what I've seen, appear to me to have a bit of a bluish tint. Some small vendors sell them as light bulbs, but from what I've seen, they're something like $50 each. I'd like to see some in a model home or something to see what they look like in practice.
Patrick Sears wrote:
FWIW I switched to CFLs about a year ago too. The ones that really matter stay on for at least 2-3 hours at a time so I think we're saving energy there.
My eletricity bill shows the year-ago bill and it's consistently about $10/month less. I'm not sure if that's due to a behavioral change or the light bulbs, but their additional cost seems to have been paid off in under 6 months.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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Patrick Sears wrote:
I think he was replying to the LED lights - LEDs are monochromatic and probably always will be due to the science behind the technology.
I was referring to the newer white LEDs which, from what I've seen, appear to me to have a bit of a bluish tint. Some small vendors sell them as light bulbs, but from what I've seen, they're something like $50 each. I'd like to see some in a model home or something to see what they look like in practice.
Patrick Sears wrote:
FWIW I switched to CFLs about a year ago too. The ones that really matter stay on for at least 2-3 hours at a time so I think we're saving energy there.
My eletricity bill shows the year-ago bill and it's consistently about $10/month less. I'm not sure if that's due to a behavioral change or the light bulbs, but their additional cost seems to have been paid off in under 6 months.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
Red Stateler wrote:
I was referring to the newer white LEDs which, from what I've seen, appear to me to have a bit of a bluish tint.
Hmmmm I just looked at Ryan Roberts' link to the white LED spectrum. I didn't know they were doing that. His link also explains the bluish tint. The Wikipedia article on LEDs mentions that there are methods to produce warmer light from LEDs. Wonder how long it will take to see those in homes.
The early bird who catches the worm works for someone who comes in late and owns the worm farm. -- Travis McGee
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Red Stateler wrote:
$10/month less.
That could, in part, be the result of cheaper oil prices and not wholly necessarily a reduction due to your lifestyle changes.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
That could, in part, be the result of cheaper oil prices and not wholly necessarily a reduction due to your lifestyle changes.
For that, you'd have to look at the cost/kwH. I don't know about Red, but mine is higher than it was a year ago. Maryland recently deregulated the energy utilities and they've had a field day raising prices (and this is one state where the regulation wasn't driving them to bankruptcy). If I'm still saving money over a year ago, that signifies that something in my apartment became more efficient (and I don't know - I'll have to check; our bill doesn't list our historical prices).
The early bird who catches the worm works for someone who comes in late and owns the worm farm. -- Travis McGee
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General Electric Co., founded by incandescent bulb developer Thomas Edison, said
Thursday that it planned to cut about 1,400 jobs in its lighting division as the
company closes plants in the United States and Brazil amid a consumer shift to more
energy-efficient fluorescent lamps.
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Sales of traditional bulbs are slowing by at least 10% a year, said James Campbell,
head of GE's consumer and industrial unit. The rate of decline will accelerate, while
revenue from technology such as compact fluorescent lighting is up by a "very strong
double-digit" percentage, he said. Congress is considering legislation that may do away
with incandescent lights.Rising energy prices make energy efficiency financially efficient. Without the government mandates seen in Australia (or proposed, but I don't know if it passed, in California), the market is strongly favoring efficiency to combat rising prices. I switched to compact flourescents nearly a year ago because they are simply a better and more efficient technology. For those who buy into the global warming nonsense, this is proof positive of the free market's ability to combat that mythical beast without the need for government intervention.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
I like flourescent bulbs because they run cold. We have some quite nice delicate paper lamp shades and filament bulbs tend to burn them. Also, the way filament bulbs are so sensitive to knocks is a pain in the but.
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I like flourescent bulbs because they run cold. We have some quite nice delicate paper lamp shades and filament bulbs tend to burn them. Also, the way filament bulbs are so sensitive to knocks is a pain in the but.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
My favorite feature is that they take several seconds to reach full-brightness. So when I get up in the morning and turn on the bathroom light, my eyes adjust more readily. The incandescents blasted me with pure evil.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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My favorite feature is that they take several seconds to reach full-brightness. So when I get up in the morning and turn on the bathroom light, my eyes adjust more readily. The incandescents blasted me with pure evil.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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Red Stateler wrote:
I was referring to the newer white LEDs which, from what I've seen, appear to me to have a bit of a bluish tint.
Hmmmm I just looked at Ryan Roberts' link to the white LED spectrum. I didn't know they were doing that. His link also explains the bluish tint. The Wikipedia article on LEDs mentions that there are methods to produce warmer light from LEDs. Wonder how long it will take to see those in homes.
The early bird who catches the worm works for someone who comes in late and owns the worm farm. -- Travis McGee
It was a breakthrough made something like (I think) 5 years ago. LED flashlights are more and more common (go to Sharper Image and you're guaranteed to see them), but light bulbs for the home are still a rarity.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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My favorite feature is that they take several seconds to reach full-brightness. So when I get up in the morning and turn on the bathroom light, my eyes adjust more readily. The incandescents blasted me with pure evil.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
There's a fair amount of spread in warm up rates. I installed my CFLs over the course of a year as the incandescents burned out and have at least 3 brands in use. Some of which are essentially instant on and others which warm up rather slowly.
-- If you view money as inherently evil, I view it as my duty to assist in making you more virtuous.
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Its an unbelievably retarded idea. Fluorescents will only work within certain temperature ranges and are only more efficient if left on for significant periods. They are also a total swine to dispose of under the raft of mercury control legislation recently passed by the.. EU.
Ryan Roberts wrote:
They are also a total swine to dispose of under the raft of mercury control legislation recently passed by the.. EU.
At the same time though unless you're using green energy, even if you're bad and toss them into the trash, you're still releasing less mercury into the environment than you would by burning additional coal to run incandescents instead.
-- If you view money as inherently evil, I view it as my duty to assist in making you more virtuous.
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General Electric Co., founded by incandescent bulb developer Thomas Edison, said
Thursday that it planned to cut about 1,400 jobs in its lighting division as the
company closes plants in the United States and Brazil amid a consumer shift to more
energy-efficient fluorescent lamps.
...
Sales of traditional bulbs are slowing by at least 10% a year, said James Campbell,
head of GE's consumer and industrial unit. The rate of decline will accelerate, while
revenue from technology such as compact fluorescent lighting is up by a "very strong
double-digit" percentage, he said. Congress is considering legislation that may do away
with incandescent lights.Rising energy prices make energy efficiency financially efficient. Without the government mandates seen in Australia (or proposed, but I don't know if it passed, in California), the market is strongly favoring efficiency to combat rising prices. I switched to compact flourescents nearly a year ago because they are simply a better and more efficient technology. For those who buy into the global warming nonsense, this is proof positive of the free market's ability to combat that mythical beast without the need for government intervention.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
Red Stateler wrote:
Anybody rape your wife yet?
Whats up with that? Thats a terrible signature.
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Red Stateler wrote:
Anybody rape your wife yet?
Whats up with that? Thats a terrible signature.
CataclysmicQuantums wrote:
Whats up with that? Thats a terrible signature.
I was recently robbed and IAmChrisMcCall went on about how wonderful it was and insinuated that my wife being raped would have been a good thing (she was fortunately not home). I added his quote to my signature to preserve evidence of his absolute classlessness.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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Its an unbelievably retarded idea. Fluorescents will only work within certain temperature ranges and are only more efficient if left on for significant periods. They are also a total swine to dispose of under the raft of mercury control legislation recently passed by the.. EU.
Ryan Roberts wrote:
They are also a total swine to dispose of under the raft of mercury control legislation recently passed by the.. EU.
Isn't mercury a natural substance extracted from the earth in the first place? I don't see what the big deal is. I have a bottle of it and I like to play with it, I don't touch the stuff because I don't want it in my blood stream, but still.
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CataclysmicQuantums wrote:
Whats up with that? Thats a terrible signature.
I was recently robbed and IAmChrisMcCall went on about how wonderful it was and insinuated that my wife being raped would have been a good thing (she was fortunately not home). I added his quote to my signature to preserve evidence of his absolute classlessness.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
Red Stateler wrote:
wonderful it was and insinuated that my wife being raped would have been a good thing
Thats absolutely terrible. If someone said something like that to me in person I would break his jaw.
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Ryan Roberts wrote:
They are also a total swine to dispose of under the raft of mercury control legislation recently passed by the.. EU.
Isn't mercury a natural substance extracted from the earth in the first place? I don't see what the big deal is. I have a bottle of it and I like to play with it, I don't touch the stuff because I don't want it in my blood stream, but still.
mercury in rock is contained and isn't going anywhere. Mercury dumped into the trash will eventually leak out of the landfill or become air pollution at the incinerator. In either case it goes from being contained and harmless to into the environment and causing problems.
-- If you view money as inherently evil, I view it as my duty to assist in making you more virtuous.
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mercury in rock is contained and isn't going anywhere. Mercury dumped into the trash will eventually leak out of the landfill or become air pollution at the incinerator. In either case it goes from being contained and harmless to into the environment and causing problems.
-- If you view money as inherently evil, I view it as my duty to assist in making you more virtuous.
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Well all bulbs differ from the sun. Incandescents[^] heavily favor yellow. I'd just like to see some LEDs bulbs in home use to see what they look like. I'm guessing that since nobody is widely producing them that they might not look all that great.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
LEDs for the home can be found by looking hard enough. I wouldn't recommend it currently, one of the big problems is you can't replace a single bulb, the whole must be replaced (think of a chandelier, if one bulb goes out you must buy a new chandelier, not just replace the burned out bulb). One bulb is pocket change but the whole fixture is upwards of $40.
this thing looks like it was written by an epileptic ferret Dave Kreskowiak
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LEDs for the home can be found by looking hard enough. I wouldn't recommend it currently, one of the big problems is you can't replace a single bulb, the whole must be replaced (think of a chandelier, if one bulb goes out you must buy a new chandelier, not just replace the burned out bulb). One bulb is pocket change but the whole fixture is upwards of $40.
this thing looks like it was written by an epileptic ferret Dave Kreskowiak
Have you seen any that are suitable for general purpose use? I've looked in the past but the only consumer one I've seen was IIRC a 25W equivalent, and the amazon comments were that it was too directional for general purpose usage but made a decent work table spot.
-- If you view money as inherently evil, I view it as my duty to assist in making you more virtuous.
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LEDs for the home can be found by looking hard enough. I wouldn't recommend it currently, one of the big problems is you can't replace a single bulb, the whole must be replaced (think of a chandelier, if one bulb goes out you must buy a new chandelier, not just replace the burned out bulb). One bulb is pocket change but the whole fixture is upwards of $40.
this thing looks like it was written by an epileptic ferret Dave Kreskowiak
jimwawar wrote:
LEDs for the home can be found by looking hard enough. I wouldn't recommend it currently, one of the big problems is you can't replace a single bulb, the whole must be replaced (think of a chandelier, if one bulb goes out you must buy a new chandelier, not just replace the burned out bulb). One bulb is pocket change but the whole fixture is upwards of $40.
You mean the whole fixture that constitutes a bulb equivalent to one incandescent? When I looked at them online, that's about the price range I saw, making it financially insensible.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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Have you seen any that are suitable for general purpose use? I've looked in the past but the only consumer one I've seen was IIRC a 25W equivalent, and the amazon comments were that it was too directional for general purpose usage but made a decent work table spot.
-- If you view money as inherently evil, I view it as my duty to assist in making you more virtuous.
The one I was able to root up here (one store in population base of 350,000) were if I recall 60W. They produced a reasonable range of illumination (not spot, but not as general as an incandescent) Don't recall the manufacturer.
this thing looks like it was written by an epileptic ferret Dave Kreskowiak
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jimwawar wrote:
LEDs for the home can be found by looking hard enough. I wouldn't recommend it currently, one of the big problems is you can't replace a single bulb, the whole must be replaced (think of a chandelier, if one bulb goes out you must buy a new chandelier, not just replace the burned out bulb). One bulb is pocket change but the whole fixture is upwards of $40.
You mean the whole fixture that constitutes a bulb equivalent to one incandescent? When I looked at them online, that's about the price range I saw, making it financially insensible.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
One LED fixture to replace one incandescent bulb contains many LED bulbs. As the bulbs die the light becomes less until a new fixture is purchased.
this thing looks like it was written by an epileptic ferret Dave Kreskowiak