Of mice and men
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So the Nobel Prize for medicine has gone to researchers for their "groundbreaking work in gene technology" - introducing human diseases into mice via genetic changes to the animals' stem cells. Clickety[^] I have no problem with genetic research per se, and believe it could one day have tremendous and wonderful consequences, but anyone that believes the claim of the Nobel Committee (and other apologists for animal research) that such work "had led to many new insights into conditions such as cancer and heart disease" is fooling themselves. We hear this claim every two or three years, throughout my life and before it: "Folks, we are just a short step away from a cure for cancer! We just need a bit more of your time and patience... oh, and money." It ain't gonna happen. I promise you. Read my lips: in 20 yerars time you will still be dropping dead from cancer and heart disease, and these "scientists" will still be telling you how close they are to solving the problem and you - just like those Stanford University students back in the 50's - will bow and scrape to their white-sugar-coated wisdom and say "Yes Sir! Thank you, Sir!" There was as thread on here recently about some poor old sod in the US having trouble getting some $thousands medication for a fungal infection between his toes. I don't know his case, obviously, but I would stake money that a $10 botle of Tea Tree Oil from his local health store would have cleared it up in a couple of days. But that's the nature of the chemical-pharmaceutical-medical business these days: get this, folks: they have no interest in curing you. All they want is to carry on selling you more and more expensive drugs. So far, they're doing pretty well, and they will continue to do so as long as you continue to blindly follow every word they say. These monsters are creating as much disease, if not more, than they are curing. Half the drugs on the market today are only there to counteract the side-effects of the other half. There are far more medicines than diseases, and guess what? You are still getting ill, still dying from diseases they promised you cures to decades ago. Wake up. Why are you, like that man with the fungal infection, paying thousands in medical insurance when all you need is a little bit of nature? (Again, for the record, I haven't got a problem with medical insurance per se - just the current sys
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So the Nobel Prize for medicine has gone to researchers for their "groundbreaking work in gene technology" - introducing human diseases into mice via genetic changes to the animals' stem cells. Clickety[^] I have no problem with genetic research per se, and believe it could one day have tremendous and wonderful consequences, but anyone that believes the claim of the Nobel Committee (and other apologists for animal research) that such work "had led to many new insights into conditions such as cancer and heart disease" is fooling themselves. We hear this claim every two or three years, throughout my life and before it: "Folks, we are just a short step away from a cure for cancer! We just need a bit more of your time and patience... oh, and money." It ain't gonna happen. I promise you. Read my lips: in 20 yerars time you will still be dropping dead from cancer and heart disease, and these "scientists" will still be telling you how close they are to solving the problem and you - just like those Stanford University students back in the 50's - will bow and scrape to their white-sugar-coated wisdom and say "Yes Sir! Thank you, Sir!" There was as thread on here recently about some poor old sod in the US having trouble getting some $thousands medication for a fungal infection between his toes. I don't know his case, obviously, but I would stake money that a $10 botle of Tea Tree Oil from his local health store would have cleared it up in a couple of days. But that's the nature of the chemical-pharmaceutical-medical business these days: get this, folks: they have no interest in curing you. All they want is to carry on selling you more and more expensive drugs. So far, they're doing pretty well, and they will continue to do so as long as you continue to blindly follow every word they say. These monsters are creating as much disease, if not more, than they are curing. Half the drugs on the market today are only there to counteract the side-effects of the other half. There are far more medicines than diseases, and guess what? You are still getting ill, still dying from diseases they promised you cures to decades ago. Wake up. Why are you, like that man with the fungal infection, paying thousands in medical insurance when all you need is a little bit of nature? (Again, for the record, I haven't got a problem with medical insurance per se - just the current sys
Gee, so why are cancer survival rates going up? :rolleyes: One :bob:ian has had treatment for lukemia which involved extracting his own stem cells from the bone marrow before irradiation and then using those to regenerate the marrow. There is no one 'cancer', it is a wide range of conditions so you deal with them one at a time. Elaine :rose:
Visit http://www.readytogiveup.com/[^] and do something special today.
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So the Nobel Prize for medicine has gone to researchers for their "groundbreaking work in gene technology" - introducing human diseases into mice via genetic changes to the animals' stem cells. Clickety[^] I have no problem with genetic research per se, and believe it could one day have tremendous and wonderful consequences, but anyone that believes the claim of the Nobel Committee (and other apologists for animal research) that such work "had led to many new insights into conditions such as cancer and heart disease" is fooling themselves. We hear this claim every two or three years, throughout my life and before it: "Folks, we are just a short step away from a cure for cancer! We just need a bit more of your time and patience... oh, and money." It ain't gonna happen. I promise you. Read my lips: in 20 yerars time you will still be dropping dead from cancer and heart disease, and these "scientists" will still be telling you how close they are to solving the problem and you - just like those Stanford University students back in the 50's - will bow and scrape to their white-sugar-coated wisdom and say "Yes Sir! Thank you, Sir!" There was as thread on here recently about some poor old sod in the US having trouble getting some $thousands medication for a fungal infection between his toes. I don't know his case, obviously, but I would stake money that a $10 botle of Tea Tree Oil from his local health store would have cleared it up in a couple of days. But that's the nature of the chemical-pharmaceutical-medical business these days: get this, folks: they have no interest in curing you. All they want is to carry on selling you more and more expensive drugs. So far, they're doing pretty well, and they will continue to do so as long as you continue to blindly follow every word they say. These monsters are creating as much disease, if not more, than they are curing. Half the drugs on the market today are only there to counteract the side-effects of the other half. There are far more medicines than diseases, and guess what? You are still getting ill, still dying from diseases they promised you cures to decades ago. Wake up. Why are you, like that man with the fungal infection, paying thousands in medical insurance when all you need is a little bit of nature? (Again, for the record, I haven't got a problem with medical insurance per se - just the current sys
Uhhh lots of types of Cancer *have* been cured, we now have avalible a wide range of treatments that can cure or atleast combat many health problems that we used to think untreatable. Yes the drugs market is fucked ... but don't tar those doing research that saves many many lives with the same brush. I've gone to doctors who know alot about natural remedies and I've gone to doctors who are completly ignorant. I've also known developers who are well versed in Object Orientation and some who arn't ... guess what, they're all individuals with individual beliefs, they arn't infalible. Whilst we are still dying from stuff that was promised to be cured years ago we now arn't dying from a vast range of nasty ailments that have been eradicated, cured or succefuly combatted.
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Gee, so why are cancer survival rates going up? :rolleyes: One :bob:ian has had treatment for lukemia which involved extracting his own stem cells from the bone marrow before irradiation and then using those to regenerate the marrow. There is no one 'cancer', it is a wide range of conditions so you deal with them one at a time. Elaine :rose:
Visit http://www.readytogiveup.com/[^] and do something special today.
Trollslayer wrote:
Gee, so why are cancer survival rates going up?
Depends on what statistics you choose to look at - and remember: there are "lies, damned lies, and statistics". I never said stem cell research was bad, or geneteic engineering - in fact I explicity said the opposite.
Trollslayer wrote:
There is no one 'cancer', it is a wide range of conditions so you deal with them one at a time.
Agreed. Just that I never heard of anyone catching cancer from a mouse. Plenty of drugs will cause it though. cheers Fred
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So the Nobel Prize for medicine has gone to researchers for their "groundbreaking work in gene technology" - introducing human diseases into mice via genetic changes to the animals' stem cells. Clickety[^] I have no problem with genetic research per se, and believe it could one day have tremendous and wonderful consequences, but anyone that believes the claim of the Nobel Committee (and other apologists for animal research) that such work "had led to many new insights into conditions such as cancer and heart disease" is fooling themselves. We hear this claim every two or three years, throughout my life and before it: "Folks, we are just a short step away from a cure for cancer! We just need a bit more of your time and patience... oh, and money." It ain't gonna happen. I promise you. Read my lips: in 20 yerars time you will still be dropping dead from cancer and heart disease, and these "scientists" will still be telling you how close they are to solving the problem and you - just like those Stanford University students back in the 50's - will bow and scrape to their white-sugar-coated wisdom and say "Yes Sir! Thank you, Sir!" There was as thread on here recently about some poor old sod in the US having trouble getting some $thousands medication for a fungal infection between his toes. I don't know his case, obviously, but I would stake money that a $10 botle of Tea Tree Oil from his local health store would have cleared it up in a couple of days. But that's the nature of the chemical-pharmaceutical-medical business these days: get this, folks: they have no interest in curing you. All they want is to carry on selling you more and more expensive drugs. So far, they're doing pretty well, and they will continue to do so as long as you continue to blindly follow every word they say. These monsters are creating as much disease, if not more, than they are curing. Half the drugs on the market today are only there to counteract the side-effects of the other half. There are far more medicines than diseases, and guess what? You are still getting ill, still dying from diseases they promised you cures to decades ago. Wake up. Why are you, like that man with the fungal infection, paying thousands in medical insurance when all you need is a little bit of nature? (Again, for the record, I haven't got a problem with medical insurance per se - just the current sys
Fred_Smith wrote:
Why are you, like that man with the fungal infection, paying thousands in medical insurance when all you need is a little bit of nature?
Because when I peed on my toenail infection to cure it, it only became more yellow.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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Uhhh lots of types of Cancer *have* been cured, we now have avalible a wide range of treatments that can cure or atleast combat many health problems that we used to think untreatable. Yes the drugs market is fucked ... but don't tar those doing research that saves many many lives with the same brush. I've gone to doctors who know alot about natural remedies and I've gone to doctors who are completly ignorant. I've also known developers who are well versed in Object Orientation and some who arn't ... guess what, they're all individuals with individual beliefs, they arn't infalible. Whilst we are still dying from stuff that was promised to be cured years ago we now arn't dying from a vast range of nasty ailments that have been eradicated, cured or succefuly combatted.
originSH wrote:
Whilst we are still dying from stuff that was promised to be cured years ago we now arn't dying from a vast range of nasty ailments that have been eradicated, cured or succefuly combatted.
Nice soundbite. Are you a politician by any chance? We are dying now from a whole host of diseases that no one ever heard of a century ago, and most health improvements since then have come about as much as to improved access to clean water and education as anything the drugs companies have thrown at us. The chemical/medical industry just pushes one palliative after another at us and tells us it's curing us. It isn't.
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Fred_Smith wrote:
Why are you, like that man with the fungal infection, paying thousands in medical insurance when all you need is a little bit of nature?
Because when I peed on my toenail infection to cure it, it only became more yellow.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
Red Stateler wrote:
when I peed on my toenail infection to cure it, it only became more yellow
I'm not surprised - the toxins and poisins you shove down your throat every day.... ..ever thought of turning vegan? You could be known as "green Red" :laugh:
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So the Nobel Prize for medicine has gone to researchers for their "groundbreaking work in gene technology" - introducing human diseases into mice via genetic changes to the animals' stem cells. Clickety[^] I have no problem with genetic research per se, and believe it could one day have tremendous and wonderful consequences, but anyone that believes the claim of the Nobel Committee (and other apologists for animal research) that such work "had led to many new insights into conditions such as cancer and heart disease" is fooling themselves. We hear this claim every two or three years, throughout my life and before it: "Folks, we are just a short step away from a cure for cancer! We just need a bit more of your time and patience... oh, and money." It ain't gonna happen. I promise you. Read my lips: in 20 yerars time you will still be dropping dead from cancer and heart disease, and these "scientists" will still be telling you how close they are to solving the problem and you - just like those Stanford University students back in the 50's - will bow and scrape to their white-sugar-coated wisdom and say "Yes Sir! Thank you, Sir!" There was as thread on here recently about some poor old sod in the US having trouble getting some $thousands medication for a fungal infection between his toes. I don't know his case, obviously, but I would stake money that a $10 botle of Tea Tree Oil from his local health store would have cleared it up in a couple of days. But that's the nature of the chemical-pharmaceutical-medical business these days: get this, folks: they have no interest in curing you. All they want is to carry on selling you more and more expensive drugs. So far, they're doing pretty well, and they will continue to do so as long as you continue to blindly follow every word they say. These monsters are creating as much disease, if not more, than they are curing. Half the drugs on the market today are only there to counteract the side-effects of the other half. There are far more medicines than diseases, and guess what? You are still getting ill, still dying from diseases they promised you cures to decades ago. Wake up. Why are you, like that man with the fungal infection, paying thousands in medical insurance when all you need is a little bit of nature? (Again, for the record, I haven't got a problem with medical insurance per se - just the current sys
Fred_Smith wrote:
There was as thread on here recently about some poor old sod in the US having trouble getting some $thousands medication for a fungal infection between his toes. I don't know his case, obviously, but I would stake money that a $10 botle of Tea Tree Oil from his local health store would have cleared it up in a couple of days. But that's the nature of the chemical-pharmaceutical-medical business these days: get this, folks: they have no interest in curing you. All they want is to carry on selling you more and more expensive drugs. So far, they're doing pretty well, and they will continue to do so as long as you continue to blindly follow every word they say. These monsters are creating as much disease, if not more, than they are curing. Half the drugs on the market today are only there to counteract the side-effects of the other half. There are far more medicines than diseases, and guess what? You are still getting ill, still dying from diseases they promised you cures to decades ago.
So good you've read it twice. Well said that man. Why would a fungal infection be treated with a pill before trying an oink-ment? But hey a pack of 90 can be had for only $nnn off the web or $1300 from your local health insurance.
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originSH wrote:
Whilst we are still dying from stuff that was promised to be cured years ago we now arn't dying from a vast range of nasty ailments that have been eradicated, cured or succefuly combatted.
Nice soundbite. Are you a politician by any chance? We are dying now from a whole host of diseases that no one ever heard of a century ago, and most health improvements since then have come about as much as to improved access to clean water and education as anything the drugs companies have thrown at us. The chemical/medical industry just pushes one palliative after another at us and tells us it's curing us. It isn't.
Well when you cure stuff that kills you young you start findign out what kills you when your old. Cancer has been around for an extreamly long time (http://cancer.about.com/od/historyofcancer/a/cancerhistory.htm[^]) but it's only now that we have managed to get rid of what used to kill us first that it's becoming more of a problem. Have you ever had a debugging sesion where it's like pealing back the layers of an onion ... you solve one bug only to find out theres another further in that you never even suspected, and so on.
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Fred_Smith wrote:
There was as thread on here recently about some poor old sod in the US having trouble getting some $thousands medication for a fungal infection between his toes. I don't know his case, obviously, but I would stake money that a $10 botle of Tea Tree Oil from his local health store would have cleared it up in a couple of days. But that's the nature of the chemical-pharmaceutical-medical business these days: get this, folks: they have no interest in curing you. All they want is to carry on selling you more and more expensive drugs. So far, they're doing pretty well, and they will continue to do so as long as you continue to blindly follow every word they say. These monsters are creating as much disease, if not more, than they are curing. Half the drugs on the market today are only there to counteract the side-effects of the other half. There are far more medicines than diseases, and guess what? You are still getting ill, still dying from diseases they promised you cures to decades ago.
So good you've read it twice. Well said that man. Why would a fungal infection be treated with a pill before trying an oink-ment? But hey a pack of 90 can be had for only $nnn off the web or $1300 from your local health insurance.
AndyKEnZ wrote:
But hey a pack of 90 can be had for only $nnn off the web or $1300 from your local health insurance.
Or $26 at CostCo. Or $4 at the evil Wal-Mart[^].
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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Red Stateler wrote:
when I peed on my toenail infection to cure it, it only became more yellow
I'm not surprised - the toxins and poisins you shove down your throat every day.... ..ever thought of turning vegan? You could be known as "green Red" :laugh:
Fred_Smith wrote:
ever thought of turning vegan?
I did, until I realized I'd have to replace all my clothes with dresses.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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AndyKEnZ wrote:
But hey a pack of 90 can be had for only $nnn off the web or $1300 from your local health insurance.
Or $26 at CostCo. Or $4 at the evil Wal-Mart[^].
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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Fred_Smith wrote:
ever thought of turning vegan?
I did, until I realized I'd have to replace all my clothes with dresses.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
What's the matter? Too scared to stand up for something in case somebody laughs at you? Call yourself a man? You don't need a dress (your insinuation is insulting to women, by the way) - but perhaps a nappy would do. Pah!
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So the guy was sent for a fungal swab after being prescribed a drug you can pick up without a prescription at Wal-Mart, that's even more ludicrous.
AndyKEnZ wrote:
So the guy was sent for a fungal swab after being prescribed a drug you can pick up without a prescription at Wal-Mart, that's even more ludicrous.
It still requires a prescription. Wal-Mart has a list of generic prescription drugs that they offer at Wal-Mart which can almost universally be substituted for brand-name drugs (when the generic is available). The first drug in that list is a substitute for Lamisil. So yes, he could have gone out and got the brand name for $1000+, or he could have spent $12 on the generic at Wal-Mart. Even though Wal-Mart is evil.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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What's the matter? Too scared to stand up for something in case somebody laughs at you? Call yourself a man? You don't need a dress (your insinuation is insulting to women, by the way) - but perhaps a nappy would do. Pah!
Fred_Smith wrote:
What's the matter? Too scared to stand up for something in case somebody laughs at you?
Sometimes people are justified in doing that.
Fred_Smith wrote:
Call yourself a man?
Yes. That's why I'm not a vegan.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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So the Nobel Prize for medicine has gone to researchers for their "groundbreaking work in gene technology" - introducing human diseases into mice via genetic changes to the animals' stem cells. Clickety[^] I have no problem with genetic research per se, and believe it could one day have tremendous and wonderful consequences, but anyone that believes the claim of the Nobel Committee (and other apologists for animal research) that such work "had led to many new insights into conditions such as cancer and heart disease" is fooling themselves. We hear this claim every two or three years, throughout my life and before it: "Folks, we are just a short step away from a cure for cancer! We just need a bit more of your time and patience... oh, and money." It ain't gonna happen. I promise you. Read my lips: in 20 yerars time you will still be dropping dead from cancer and heart disease, and these "scientists" will still be telling you how close they are to solving the problem and you - just like those Stanford University students back in the 50's - will bow and scrape to their white-sugar-coated wisdom and say "Yes Sir! Thank you, Sir!" There was as thread on here recently about some poor old sod in the US having trouble getting some $thousands medication for a fungal infection between his toes. I don't know his case, obviously, but I would stake money that a $10 botle of Tea Tree Oil from his local health store would have cleared it up in a couple of days. But that's the nature of the chemical-pharmaceutical-medical business these days: get this, folks: they have no interest in curing you. All they want is to carry on selling you more and more expensive drugs. So far, they're doing pretty well, and they will continue to do so as long as you continue to blindly follow every word they say. These monsters are creating as much disease, if not more, than they are curing. Half the drugs on the market today are only there to counteract the side-effects of the other half. There are far more medicines than diseases, and guess what? You are still getting ill, still dying from diseases they promised you cures to decades ago. Wake up. Why are you, like that man with the fungal infection, paying thousands in medical insurance when all you need is a little bit of nature? (Again, for the record, I haven't got a problem with medical insurance per se - just the current sys
Fred_Smith wrote:
I would stake money that a $10 botle of Tea Tree Oil from his local health store
Ten bucks for a bottle of tea tree oil?!!!! Those evil capitalistic bastards!!!
The only conspiracies that concern me are the ones I am completely unaware of. By the time I find out about it, its probably a done deal. Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hyprocrisy is no morality at all.
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AndyKEnZ wrote:
So the guy was sent for a fungal swab after being prescribed a drug you can pick up without a prescription at Wal-Mart, that's even more ludicrous.
It still requires a prescription. Wal-Mart has a list of generic prescription drugs that they offer at Wal-Mart which can almost universally be substituted for brand-name drugs (when the generic is available). The first drug in that list is a substitute for Lamisil. So yes, he could have gone out and got the brand name for $1000+, or he could have spent $12 on the generic at Wal-Mart. Even though Wal-Mart is evil.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
Red Stateler wrote:
Even though Wal-Mart is evil.
Now that does surprise me, I'm warming to you man :laugh: It is, as mentioned, none of my business but I do find it interesting when people are so blind that they don't even see a problem exists. But hey, there isn't anywhere where problems don't exist.
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So the Nobel Prize for medicine has gone to researchers for their "groundbreaking work in gene technology" - introducing human diseases into mice via genetic changes to the animals' stem cells. Clickety[^] I have no problem with genetic research per se, and believe it could one day have tremendous and wonderful consequences, but anyone that believes the claim of the Nobel Committee (and other apologists for animal research) that such work "had led to many new insights into conditions such as cancer and heart disease" is fooling themselves. We hear this claim every two or three years, throughout my life and before it: "Folks, we are just a short step away from a cure for cancer! We just need a bit more of your time and patience... oh, and money." It ain't gonna happen. I promise you. Read my lips: in 20 yerars time you will still be dropping dead from cancer and heart disease, and these "scientists" will still be telling you how close they are to solving the problem and you - just like those Stanford University students back in the 50's - will bow and scrape to their white-sugar-coated wisdom and say "Yes Sir! Thank you, Sir!" There was as thread on here recently about some poor old sod in the US having trouble getting some $thousands medication for a fungal infection between his toes. I don't know his case, obviously, but I would stake money that a $10 botle of Tea Tree Oil from his local health store would have cleared it up in a couple of days. But that's the nature of the chemical-pharmaceutical-medical business these days: get this, folks: they have no interest in curing you. All they want is to carry on selling you more and more expensive drugs. So far, they're doing pretty well, and they will continue to do so as long as you continue to blindly follow every word they say. These monsters are creating as much disease, if not more, than they are curing. Half the drugs on the market today are only there to counteract the side-effects of the other half. There are far more medicines than diseases, and guess what? You are still getting ill, still dying from diseases they promised you cures to decades ago. Wake up. Why are you, like that man with the fungal infection, paying thousands in medical insurance when all you need is a little bit of nature? (Again, for the record, I haven't got a problem with medical insurance per se - just the current sys
Wait till you have something nasty. You will be the first to turn to whatever medcines 'they' produce. Of course a drug company is there to make money. So are you when you go to work each day. Is that immoral? No, its normal. And how do drug companies make more money? The same way you do. By providing a product that works.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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Wait till you have something nasty. You will be the first to turn to whatever medcines 'they' produce. Of course a drug company is there to make money. So are you when you go to work each day. Is that immoral? No, its normal. And how do drug companies make more money? The same way you do. By providing a product that works.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
fat_boy wrote:
Wait till you have something nasty. You will be the first to turn to whatever medcines 'they' produce.
No, I won't. I will die before taking anything that has been tested on animals. In fact, I would probably die sooner if I did. I habe no objection to making money - but I don't charge my clients ridiculously over-the-top fees; and I don't give them a bad product either. What "workd" for the pharmaceuticals is not their products, but their hype, your adulation of men in white coats, and your fear of death and disease - all of which which they play on like Segovia played guitar: masterfully.
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fat_boy wrote:
Wait till you have something nasty. You will be the first to turn to whatever medcines 'they' produce.
No, I won't. I will die before taking anything that has been tested on animals. In fact, I would probably die sooner if I did. I habe no objection to making money - but I don't charge my clients ridiculously over-the-top fees; and I don't give them a bad product either. What "workd" for the pharmaceuticals is not their products, but their hype, your adulation of men in white coats, and your fear of death and disease - all of which which they play on like Segovia played guitar: masterfully.