Java is free
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I think we should support Sun and their Java initiative since is is basically free. java.sun.com Microsoft seem to have sponsored this site so hard that there are no competing technologies available... sayonara
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I think we should support Sun and their Java initiative since is is basically free. java.sun.com Microsoft seem to have sponsored this site so hard that there are no competing technologies available... sayonara
.NET SDK is also free. ;P I vote pro drink :beer:
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I think we should support Sun and their Java initiative since is is basically free. java.sun.com Microsoft seem to have sponsored this site so hard that there are no competing technologies available... sayonara
loluyoyanongog wrote: I think we should support Sun and their Java initiative since is is basically free. java.sun.com Java is free - and worth every penny. As has been pointed out, the .NET framework and the compiler are also free. loluyoyanongog wrote: Microsoft seem to have sponsored this site so hard that there are no competing technologies available... This site is mostly about C++, which Microsoft has no control over. Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002 Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002
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loluyoyanongog wrote: I think we should support Sun and their Java initiative since is is basically free. java.sun.com Java is free - and worth every penny. As has been pointed out, the .NET framework and the compiler are also free. loluyoyanongog wrote: Microsoft seem to have sponsored this site so hard that there are no competing technologies available... This site is mostly about C++, which Microsoft has no control over. Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002 Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002
Christian Graus wrote: Java is free - and worth every penny. Thanks for the quote! :) /me runs away James "Java is free - and worth every penny." - Christian Graus; June 20, 2002
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loluyoyanongog wrote: I think we should support Sun and their Java initiative since is is basically free. java.sun.com Java is free - and worth every penny. As has been pointed out, the .NET framework and the compiler are also free. loluyoyanongog wrote: Microsoft seem to have sponsored this site so hard that there are no competing technologies available... This site is mostly about C++, which Microsoft has no control over. Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002 Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002
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I think we should support Sun and their Java initiative since is is basically free. java.sun.com Microsoft seem to have sponsored this site so hard that there are no competing technologies available... sayonara
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I think we should support Sun and their Java initiative since is is basically free. java.sun.com Microsoft seem to have sponsored this site so hard that there are no competing technologies available... sayonara
loluyoyanongog wrote: I think we should support Sun and their Java initiative since is is basically free. java.sun.com Well, I guess at the moment it is mostly free. But at any time they could do to Java just want they did to Star Office. Sun is not about doing good for the development community, they are about making money and destroying Microsoft. That is their only two goals. I figure Microsoft is the same way, but more than trying to destroy others, they just release products that are better! Remember, this is only .NET version 1.0 ;) Star Office is the prime example, once they realized they could not kill Microsoft Office with it, they changed and are now charging for the product. One day it is free, the next you have to pay for it. Imagine if Microsoft was not around (or even not quite as strong), they could throw all Java development under licensing restrictions where you would have to pay royalties just like Unisys and GIF. That is the type of company Sun is and has been. That does not mean I don't one the Sun's of the world hanging around keeping Microsoft in shape, if it where not for competition, we would never have any advancement from Microsoft. Microsoft is the largest software company on the face of the earth and they have invested everything into .NET because they know it will take over just like Windows did. Just wait until Microsoft (or independent developers like the Mono Project) takes .NET multiplatform, which I believe will be in the near future. You like Java, no problem, you can still program in a Java syntax language in .NET, that is one of the beauties of .NET, it can accommodate most language preferences. Sun has you in one box, Java, you have no choice, you are stuck with that syntax if you like it or not. Rocky Moore
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loluyoyanongog wrote: I think we should support Sun and their Java initiative since is is basically free. java.sun.com Well, I guess at the moment it is mostly free. But at any time they could do to Java just want they did to Star Office. Sun is not about doing good for the development community, they are about making money and destroying Microsoft. That is their only two goals. I figure Microsoft is the same way, but more than trying to destroy others, they just release products that are better! Remember, this is only .NET version 1.0 ;) Star Office is the prime example, once they realized they could not kill Microsoft Office with it, they changed and are now charging for the product. One day it is free, the next you have to pay for it. Imagine if Microsoft was not around (or even not quite as strong), they could throw all Java development under licensing restrictions where you would have to pay royalties just like Unisys and GIF. That is the type of company Sun is and has been. That does not mean I don't one the Sun's of the world hanging around keeping Microsoft in shape, if it where not for competition, we would never have any advancement from Microsoft. Microsoft is the largest software company on the face of the earth and they have invested everything into .NET because they know it will take over just like Windows did. Just wait until Microsoft (or independent developers like the Mono Project) takes .NET multiplatform, which I believe will be in the near future. You like Java, no problem, you can still program in a Java syntax language in .NET, that is one of the beauties of .NET, it can accommodate most language preferences. Sun has you in one box, Java, you have no choice, you are stuck with that syntax if you like it or not. Rocky Moore
Now if only M$ start playing their cards right, and what i assume they are trying to do with the .NET framework in particular C#, is to provide an opposition for JAVA, is to release a free consumer IDE like Forte. The adoption of C# will be greatly increased :) All they need to do, is just strip Visual C#, into a scaledown version available for download only. I can only hope and dream for that day. :-D
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Now if only M$ start playing their cards right, and what i assume they are trying to do with the .NET framework in particular C#, is to provide an opposition for JAVA, is to release a free consumer IDE like Forte. The adoption of C# will be greatly increased :) All they need to do, is just strip Visual C#, into a scaledown version available for download only. I can only hope and dream for that day. :-D
leppie wrote: All they need to do, is just strip Visual C#, into a scaledown version available for download only. Well, for building web apps they already have with WebMatrix ;) Would be nice it if was for the full c# applications, but then who would be DevStudio ;) Rocky Moore
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leppie wrote: All they need to do, is just strip Visual C#, into a scaledown version available for download only. Well, for building web apps they already have with WebMatrix ;) Would be nice it if was for the full c# applications, but then who would be DevStudio ;) Rocky Moore
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Rocky Moore wrote: but then who would be DevStudio the ppl who code in the other 16 supported languages of VS.NET :):laugh:
leppie wrote: the ppl who code in the other 16 supported languages of VS.NET Of course :-O Rocky Moore
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I think we should support Sun and their Java initiative since is is basically free. java.sun.com Microsoft seem to have sponsored this site so hard that there are no competing technologies available... sayonara
An obvious question. If you are for supporting Sun and Java why are you here?