Global Cooling?
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A comprehensive climatological study of over 600 cities both in North America and around the rest of the world ... if one removed the 15 largest cities, the "concrete and asphalt jungles", from the study, Mother Earth would have actually COOLED OFF about .4 of one degree Fahrenheit in the last six decades. ... dozens of cities, mostly with populations under 300,000 people, that actually turned COOLER during the balance of the 20th Century. These cities included; Billings, Montana, Bismarck, North Dakota, Boise, Idaho, Fargo, North Dakota, Fairbanks, Alaska, Seattle, Washington, Spokane, Washington and Coeur d'Alene, Idaho which cooled by .4 of one degree Fahrenheit from 1941 to 2001. [^] Of course these people are total whacko crackpot non scientists and probably backed by Exon so we can totally dismiss what they say.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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A comprehensive climatological study of over 600 cities both in North America and around the rest of the world ... if one removed the 15 largest cities, the "concrete and asphalt jungles", from the study, Mother Earth would have actually COOLED OFF about .4 of one degree Fahrenheit in the last six decades. ... dozens of cities, mostly with populations under 300,000 people, that actually turned COOLER during the balance of the 20th Century. These cities included; Billings, Montana, Bismarck, North Dakota, Boise, Idaho, Fargo, North Dakota, Fairbanks, Alaska, Seattle, Washington, Spokane, Washington and Coeur d'Alene, Idaho which cooled by .4 of one degree Fahrenheit from 1941 to 2001. [^] Of course these people are total whacko crackpot non scientists and probably backed by Exon so we can totally dismiss what they say.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
Uh, why are all those cities in that list at fairly high latitudes? Where's Miama, Dallas, St. Louis, and so forth? .4 of one degree Fahrenheit .4 what of one degree? That's an odd expression. One would normally just say ".4 degrees F", whereas ".4 of..." is often used in terms of an percentage: "10% of..." So please don't tell me he's trying to say .4 % of 1 degree F, which would be what, .04F? :laugh: But it's good to have these posts. We need some counterpoint. Of course, I don't believe either side. To quote from C.S. Lewis' The Last Battle "the dwarves are for the dwarves." Marc
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Uh, why are all those cities in that list at fairly high latitudes? Where's Miama, Dallas, St. Louis, and so forth? .4 of one degree Fahrenheit .4 what of one degree? That's an odd expression. One would normally just say ".4 degrees F", whereas ".4 of..." is often used in terms of an percentage: "10% of..." So please don't tell me he's trying to say .4 % of 1 degree F, which would be what, .04F? :laugh: But it's good to have these posts. We need some counterpoint. Of course, I don't believe either side. To quote from C.S. Lewis' The Last Battle "the dwarves are for the dwarves." Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
Where's Miama, Dallas, St. Louis, and so forth?
They might be in the cities that had grown to the extent that they were effected by UHI. .4 of 1 degree is the same as .4 of a degree or .4 degree. This period of course spans back to the 1930's when even NASA state the US was hotter than today so this is a known fact, just that the UHI effect masks the true scale of the cooling. Dont forget the ONLY rural station of the 6 Brazilian ones that count towards global temperature measurment also shows cooling for the century. Look at Steve McKintyres website Climate Audit for info on this, and the UHI in general. OK, 1 voters, pile 'em on.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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Marc Clifton wrote:
Where's Miama, Dallas, St. Louis, and so forth?
They might be in the cities that had grown to the extent that they were effected by UHI. .4 of 1 degree is the same as .4 of a degree or .4 degree. This period of course spans back to the 1930's when even NASA state the US was hotter than today so this is a known fact, just that the UHI effect masks the true scale of the cooling. Dont forget the ONLY rural station of the 6 Brazilian ones that count towards global temperature measurment also shows cooling for the century. Look at Steve McKintyres website Climate Audit for info on this, and the UHI in general. OK, 1 voters, pile 'em on.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
fat_boy wrote:
.4 of 1 degree is the same as .4 of a degree or .4 degree.
So you're being the equivalent of a blowhard, but writing it instead. Hey why use two words when four will do. Did you take lessons from this guy[^]. :)
Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] Donate to help Conquer Cancer[^]
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fat_boy wrote:
.4 of 1 degree is the same as .4 of a degree or .4 degree.
So you're being the equivalent of a blowhard, but writing it instead. Hey why use two words when four will do. Did you take lessons from this guy[^]. :)
Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] Donate to help Conquer Cancer[^]
Chris Meech wrote:
So you're being the equivalent of a blowhard, but writing it instead
I didnt write the article, I just linked to it. Personally, I hate that expression, it is so beloved of the finacial types on CNBC. "And stock in XYZ rose one half of one percent" blah blah blah.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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A comprehensive climatological study of over 600 cities both in North America and around the rest of the world ... if one removed the 15 largest cities, the "concrete and asphalt jungles", from the study, Mother Earth would have actually COOLED OFF about .4 of one degree Fahrenheit in the last six decades. ... dozens of cities, mostly with populations under 300,000 people, that actually turned COOLER during the balance of the 20th Century. These cities included; Billings, Montana, Bismarck, North Dakota, Boise, Idaho, Fargo, North Dakota, Fairbanks, Alaska, Seattle, Washington, Spokane, Washington and Coeur d'Alene, Idaho which cooled by .4 of one degree Fahrenheit from 1941 to 2001. [^] Of course these people are total whacko crackpot non scientists and probably backed by Exon so we can totally dismiss what they say.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
This is really interesting though. If a trend is a true average truly global , then that trend ought to be visible across ANY subset of that data. The fact that it isnt shows that warming is only a feature of big cities. Smaller cities and rural areas dont show the trens. Therefore the trend is NOT general, it is specific. I would love to see this research blasted across all themedia, with in depth follow ups anbd discussion. It wont be, but thats the way thebias is now. -- modified at 5:57 Tuesday 27th November, 2007
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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This is really interesting though. If a trend is a true average truly global , then that trend ought to be visible across ANY subset of that data. The fact that it isnt shows that warming is only a feature of big cities. Smaller cities and rural areas dont show the trens. Therefore the trend is NOT general, it is specific. I would love to see this research blasted across all themedia, with in depth follow ups anbd discussion. It wont be, but thats the way thebias is now. -- modified at 5:57 Tuesday 27th November, 2007
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
fat_boy wrote:
If a trend is a true average, then that trend ought to be visible across ANY subset of that data.
Really? I am no expert in statistics, so am happy to be corrected, but I don't think this statement is correct.
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This is really interesting though. If a trend is a true average truly global , then that trend ought to be visible across ANY subset of that data. The fact that it isnt shows that warming is only a feature of big cities. Smaller cities and rural areas dont show the trens. Therefore the trend is NOT general, it is specific. I would love to see this research blasted across all themedia, with in depth follow ups anbd discussion. It wont be, but thats the way thebias is now. -- modified at 5:57 Tuesday 27th November, 2007
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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A comprehensive climatological study of over 600 cities both in North America and around the rest of the world ... if one removed the 15 largest cities, the "concrete and asphalt jungles", from the study, Mother Earth would have actually COOLED OFF about .4 of one degree Fahrenheit in the last six decades. ... dozens of cities, mostly with populations under 300,000 people, that actually turned COOLER during the balance of the 20th Century. These cities included; Billings, Montana, Bismarck, North Dakota, Boise, Idaho, Fargo, North Dakota, Fairbanks, Alaska, Seattle, Washington, Spokane, Washington and Coeur d'Alene, Idaho which cooled by .4 of one degree Fahrenheit from 1941 to 2001. [^] Of course these people are total whacko crackpot non scientists and probably backed by Exon so we can totally dismiss what they say.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
fat_boy wrote:
[...] which cooled by .4 of one degree Fahrenheit from 1941 to 2001.
That statement, although accurately quoted, is not what the study says. They cooled by .4 of a degree from the 60-year period with midpoint 1910 to the 60-year period with midpoint 1970.
A comprehensive climatological study of [...] compared the average (mean) temperatures in Fahrenheit for the six decades from 1880 through 1940 and the following 60-year period ending December 31, 2000.
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This is really interesting though. If a trend is a true average truly global , then that trend ought to be visible across ANY subset of that data. The fact that it isnt shows that warming is only a feature of big cities. Smaller cities and rural areas dont show the trens. Therefore the trend is NOT general, it is specific. I would love to see this research blasted across all themedia, with in depth follow ups anbd discussion. It wont be, but thats the way thebias is now. -- modified at 5:57 Tuesday 27th November, 2007
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
fat_boy wrote:
If a trend is a true average, then that trend ought to be visible across ANY subset of that data.
That's not true, especially in a local sense. And by local I mean local in relation to a function. You can find local trends in a stochastic process that when you rescale the function the trend completely disappears. Similarly, scaling down a function can cause trends to vanish. Thus you can't expect any finite subset of a sample to display the same trend as the population. Duh.
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fat_boy wrote:
If a trend is a true average, then that trend ought to be visible across ANY subset of that data.
Really? I am no expert in statistics, so am happy to be corrected, but I don't think this statement is correct.
Fred_Smith wrote:
I am no expert in statistics
But I am.
Fred_Smith wrote:
, but I don't think this statement is correct.
And you are right, it's not correct.
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A comprehensive climatological study of over 600 cities both in North America and around the rest of the world ... if one removed the 15 largest cities, the "concrete and asphalt jungles", from the study, Mother Earth would have actually COOLED OFF about .4 of one degree Fahrenheit in the last six decades. ... dozens of cities, mostly with populations under 300,000 people, that actually turned COOLER during the balance of the 20th Century. These cities included; Billings, Montana, Bismarck, North Dakota, Boise, Idaho, Fargo, North Dakota, Fairbanks, Alaska, Seattle, Washington, Spokane, Washington and Coeur d'Alene, Idaho which cooled by .4 of one degree Fahrenheit from 1941 to 2001. [^] Of course these people are total whacko crackpot non scientists and probably backed by Exon so we can totally dismiss what they say.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
You're cherry-picking the data here, man. That's a no, no.
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A comprehensive climatological study of over 600 cities both in North America and around the rest of the world ... if one removed the 15 largest cities, the "concrete and asphalt jungles", from the study, Mother Earth would have actually COOLED OFF about .4 of one degree Fahrenheit in the last six decades. ... dozens of cities, mostly with populations under 300,000 people, that actually turned COOLER during the balance of the 20th Century. These cities included; Billings, Montana, Bismarck, North Dakota, Boise, Idaho, Fargo, North Dakota, Fairbanks, Alaska, Seattle, Washington, Spokane, Washington and Coeur d'Alene, Idaho which cooled by .4 of one degree Fahrenheit from 1941 to 2001. [^] Of course these people are total whacko crackpot non scientists and probably backed by Exon so we can totally dismiss what they say.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
The large cities can actually be up to 5 degrees hotter than its surrounding area.
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This is really interesting though. If a trend is a true average truly global , then that trend ought to be visible across ANY subset of that data. The fact that it isnt shows that warming is only a feature of big cities. Smaller cities and rural areas dont show the trens. Therefore the trend is NOT general, it is specific. I would love to see this research blasted across all themedia, with in depth follow ups anbd discussion. It wont be, but thats the way thebias is now. -- modified at 5:57 Tuesday 27th November, 2007
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
fat_boy wrote:
If a trend is a true average, then that trend ought to be visible across ANY subset of that data.
If anyone can think of a more succinct way of displaying complete and utter ignorance of all things statistical, I would like to hear it. For now, this statement tops my list.
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A comprehensive climatological study of over 600 cities both in North America and around the rest of the world ... if one removed the 15 largest cities, the "concrete and asphalt jungles", from the study, Mother Earth would have actually COOLED OFF about .4 of one degree Fahrenheit in the last six decades. ... dozens of cities, mostly with populations under 300,000 people, that actually turned COOLER during the balance of the 20th Century. These cities included; Billings, Montana, Bismarck, North Dakota, Boise, Idaho, Fargo, North Dakota, Fairbanks, Alaska, Seattle, Washington, Spokane, Washington and Coeur d'Alene, Idaho which cooled by .4 of one degree Fahrenheit from 1941 to 2001. [^] Of course these people are total whacko crackpot non scientists and probably backed by Exon so we can totally dismiss what they say.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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fat_boy wrote:
if one removed the 15 largest cities
And if your grandma had balls, she'd be your grandpa. :suss:
To introduce faith christianity must destroy reason, to introduce salvation it must destroy happiness.
Ooohh you would like that. An old wrinkly homosexual man dressed as an old wrinkly strait women. I bet thats the only thing that can make you hard, not even the Viagra. Its too damn bad your too fat to see your own dick when its hard, but that is probably a good thing. If you were to see your own dick you would start drooling and mumble in high pitched grandma voice "Oh daddy" while you imagine straitening out the wrinkles of an old man's back thighs and ass while pulverizing his soft diarrhea with your moldy tool you fucking freak of nature. Go back to the slime pit where you belong.
Word, write letters and sh*t yo.
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Ooohh you would like that. An old wrinkly homosexual man dressed as an old wrinkly strait women. I bet thats the only thing that can make you hard, not even the Viagra. Its too damn bad your too fat to see your own dick when its hard, but that is probably a good thing. If you were to see your own dick you would start drooling and mumble in high pitched grandma voice "Oh daddy" while you imagine straitening out the wrinkles of an old man's back thighs and ass while pulverizing his soft diarrhea with your moldy tool you fucking freak of nature. Go back to the slime pit where you belong.
Word, write letters and sh*t yo.
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Why don't you see if Indiana will sell you all their cough syrup, too? :laugh:
To introduce faith christianity must destroy reason, to introduce salvation it must destroy happiness.
Tim Craig wrote:
Why don't you see if Indiana will sell you all their cough syrup
Because Ohio has plenty. A single store has enough Dextromethorphan on the shelf to last me quite some time. Why do you want to know? Why are you asking? What is your Social Security number? HELLO!?!? ANSWER ME!!@
Word, write letters and sh*t yo.
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A comprehensive climatological study of over 600 cities both in North America and around the rest of the world ... if one removed the 15 largest cities, the "concrete and asphalt jungles", from the study, Mother Earth would have actually COOLED OFF about .4 of one degree Fahrenheit in the last six decades. ... dozens of cities, mostly with populations under 300,000 people, that actually turned COOLER during the balance of the 20th Century. These cities included; Billings, Montana, Bismarck, North Dakota, Boise, Idaho, Fargo, North Dakota, Fairbanks, Alaska, Seattle, Washington, Spokane, Washington and Coeur d'Alene, Idaho which cooled by .4 of one degree Fahrenheit from 1941 to 2001. [^] Of course these people are total whacko crackpot non scientists and probably backed by Exon so we can totally dismiss what they say.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
Steve
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Ooohh you would like that. An old wrinkly homosexual man dressed as an old wrinkly strait women. I bet thats the only thing that can make you hard, not even the Viagra. Its too damn bad your too fat to see your own dick when its hard, but that is probably a good thing. If you were to see your own dick you would start drooling and mumble in high pitched grandma voice "Oh daddy" while you imagine straitening out the wrinkles of an old man's back thighs and ass while pulverizing his soft diarrhea with your moldy tool you fucking freak of nature. Go back to the slime pit where you belong.
Word, write letters and sh*t yo.
Stop posting your fantasies you worthless piece of garbage. No one wants to hear it. There needs to be a lifeguard at the gene pool. To remove you from it.