Rat's Milk

BoneSoft

I saw no reason to hash it in the first place. You know, since the thread was about something else entirely.

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Lost User

BoneSoft wrote:

Yeah, I just wish there was more we could do. At least Bono isn't crazy. And he's open to other's opinions. And he seems to be for a decent cause. But he's definitely an exception to the rule.

Well here is the thing. I have a problem with that situation generally. You seem to have a problem with that situation only when the view being expressed differs from your own.

Ilion

One works with the opportunities one has.

Ilion

Ilíon wrote:

Ah, so it's not about reason, after all, but rather emotion?

oilFactotum wrote:

Sure it is. You've just chosen to take statements out of context ...

Don't be such a goose! I've even gone out of my way to resupply the context.

oilFactotum wrote:

... and deliberately misunderstand.

It's pretty effective, too, isn't it? But, the fuller truth is that I understand what you cannot allow yourself to understand.

oilFactotum wrote:

Ilíon: "Period." Period!? That sounds rather like you're attempting to turn this into some sort of a truth claim! That sounds as though you're asserting that one ought not smack around one's spouse regardless of what the fellow with the gun says about the matter. . oilFactotum: That's absolutely right. One shouldn't. Do you believe otherwise?

What could it possibly matter what *I* believe? You are the one making absolutist assertions about what other folk ought and ought not do. Though, one does wonder how you intend to enforce or back-up these absolutes you assert.

oilFactotum wrote:

oilFactotum: ... - you don't beat your spouse. Period. . Ilíon: So, it seems we're right back where we started! Why is it the case that "Anyone in their right mind would blame him?" . oilFactotum: Well, no we aren't - you are. You seem to believe that it is perfectly O.K. to 'smack her around'. I don't (and neither does American society) and you may very well end up in jail for exercising your personal belief.

But we are back where we started. We started with you, apparently on your own recognizance, declaring what others ought to think about an obvious throw-away line and what others ought to think about the hypothetical the lame joke depended upon.

oilFactotum wrote:

... and you may very well end up in jail for exercising your personal belief.

So, you're back to the man with the gun as the grounding of this "morality" thingie you were talking about earlier.

oilFactotum wrote:

oilFactotum: ... - you don't beat your spouse. Period.That you are trying to argue otherwise is ludicrous. . Ilíon: Really? Is that

Ilion

BoneSoft wrote:

But he's definitely an exception to the rule.

Look on the bright side: at least she isn't sharing her (supposed) toilet habits with you and insisting that you go and do likewise.

oilFactotum

You seem to be hung up on the moral underpinnings of spousal abuse. Present your argument.

Tim Craig

oilFactotum wrote:

You seem to be hung up on the moral underpinnings of spousal abuse. Present your argument.

Ilion and Mundo Donut don't argue. They keep asking what they want people to think are rational quesions. If you answer, they simply declare your answer a non answer and ask the same question again. :doh:

To introduce faith christianity must destroy reason, to introduce salvation it must destroy happiness.

oilFactotum

Yeah, I see that. "What does wrong mean?" X|

oilFactotum

BoneSoft wrote:

since the thread was about something else entirely.

In your first post you actually spent more time on your misogynistic rant against that woman, so that's not really true.

BoneSoft

Thankfully, she left that to Sheryl Crow.

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BoneSoft

I don't know how you can say that, I don't believe I've said anything that would give you cause to come to that conclusion. In fact, I don't know of an example that could fit that situation. I don't see any celebrities with views anywhere near mine. But I think that's rather judgmental of you to assume that I would be a hypocrite if the opportunity presented itself. And why is that, because my views differ from yours?

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Lost User

BoneSoft wrote:

I don't believe I've said anything that would give you cause to come to that conclusion

BoneSoft wrote:

Yeah, I just wish there was more we could do. At least Bono isn't crazy. And he's open to other's opinions. And he seems to be for a decent cause. But he's definitely an exception to the rule.

My original point is that famous entertainers should not use their fame to push their political ideas. I read your reply as saying Bono is OK because you think his cause is decent.

BoneSoft wrote:

But I think that's rather judgmental of you to assume that I would be a hypocrite if the opportunity presented itself

Sorry, just called it like I saw it

BoneSoft wrote:

And why is that, because my views differ from yours?

No I completely agree she's a dim wit. As for the bigger issue of GW or whatever you want to call it I dont have an opinion

BoneSoft

No, I pointed out a specific instance of her insanity, then jokingly suggested that being that crazy might have had something to do with the reason Paul allegedly roughed her up. You, foaming at the mouth for an opportunity to pin me with negative traits to help dehumanize me so you can feel more comfortable and justified in your almost always opposing views, jumped all over the side joke. So did others. What should have struck you as out of place was the suggestion that we should use RAT MILK to save the planet from cow farts. Honestly, besides Sheryl Crow's single square of toilet paper, how often does somebody with full international media coverage say something THAT insane?!?

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BoneSoft

Ah Bono. It has nothing to do with his views, it's his approach. He's not cramming it down everyones throat, he's reasonable and he's not insane. He's not spouting pure hatred like Tim Robins and his ugly wife, or hanging out with dictators while trashing the president like Danny Glover. I don't like to see any entertainers parade their views as though we should all follow them just because their famous. But isn't Bono pretty much for charities? That I don't mind. Honestly, if there was a high profile entertainer preaching the perils of jumping on the AGW alarmist band wagon (just an example), I'd feel the same or worse. Entertainers tend to be pretty empty headed, and one of them arguing my side would probably do more damage than good anyway.

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Paul Conrad

Sorry, but rat's milk just sounds so sick X|