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  • I Ilion

    Over-all, an excellent post.

    Edmundisme wrote:

    Are you quiet certain that sexual orientation is a choice? I'm heterosexual, but I don't recall ever making that choice. At some point, I started to become very aware of women. They became tantalizing to me. I cannot fathom that you or I make choices about what we find attractive.

    But here (at the very beginning) we get into a bit of confusion ... some of it intentionally fostered by the "gay lobby." The particular confusion I have in mind at the moment is the common confusion around the terms "sexual orientation" and/or "sexual preference" (and the long-term attempt to decree "sexual preference" an invalid concept). Also, I have in mind the false dichotomy set up (often intentionally and disingenuously) by asking things like "Do you believe that homosexuality is *a* choice or is it biological?" (As, for instance, here[^]) The correct understanding is choices. It is a multiplicity of choices ... both of the individual person in reacting to his/her life-events and of other persons in presenting those life-events ... which is decisive in this person being "gay" and that person being "straight."

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    I thought we were buddies...

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    • I Ilion

      Over-all, an excellent post.

      Edmundisme wrote:

      Are you quiet certain that sexual orientation is a choice? I'm heterosexual, but I don't recall ever making that choice. At some point, I started to become very aware of women. They became tantalizing to me. I cannot fathom that you or I make choices about what we find attractive.

      But here (at the very beginning) we get into a bit of confusion ... some of it intentionally fostered by the "gay lobby." The particular confusion I have in mind at the moment is the common confusion around the terms "sexual orientation" and/or "sexual preference" (and the long-term attempt to decree "sexual preference" an invalid concept). Also, I have in mind the false dichotomy set up (often intentionally and disingenuously) by asking things like "Do you believe that homosexuality is *a* choice or is it biological?" (As, for instance, here[^]) The correct understanding is choices. It is a multiplicity of choices ... both of the individual person in reacting to his/her life-events and of other persons in presenting those life-events ... which is decisive in this person being "gay" and that person being "straight."

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      You know what's gross?

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        That's stupid and boring. :zzz:

        "We were backstage, playing Monopoly. Totally forgot there was a show, so sorry we are late." - Maynard James Keenan

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        Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

        That's stupid and boring. :zzz:

        And you're infatuated with me. Believe me, I find that most boring. I used to try to be flattered when little boys (and adults pretending to be little boys) were infatuated with me. But, I must be up-front with you: it's boring; I'm not interested in being (this week's) object of your, or any other man's, flighty affections. Hell, I'm not even as "pretty" as probably think I am. That picture you've seen was taken twenty years ago ... and it is one of the few ever taken of me that doesn't make clear just how un-photogenic I am.

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        • I Ilion

          Over-all, an excellent post.

          Edmundisme wrote:

          Are you quiet certain that sexual orientation is a choice? I'm heterosexual, but I don't recall ever making that choice. At some point, I started to become very aware of women. They became tantalizing to me. I cannot fathom that you or I make choices about what we find attractive.

          But here (at the very beginning) we get into a bit of confusion ... some of it intentionally fostered by the "gay lobby." The particular confusion I have in mind at the moment is the common confusion around the terms "sexual orientation" and/or "sexual preference" (and the long-term attempt to decree "sexual preference" an invalid concept). Also, I have in mind the false dichotomy set up (often intentionally and disingenuously) by asking things like "Do you believe that homosexuality is *a* choice or is it biological?" (As, for instance, here[^]) The correct understanding is choices. It is a multiplicity of choices ... both of the individual person in reacting to his/her life-events and of other persons in presenting those life-events ... which is decisive in this person being "gay" and that person being "straight."

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          Boogers. And your face.

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          • I Ilion

            Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

            That's stupid and boring. :zzz:

            And you're infatuated with me. Believe me, I find that most boring. I used to try to be flattered when little boys (and adults pretending to be little boys) were infatuated with me. But, I must be up-front with you: it's boring; I'm not interested in being (this week's) object of your, or any other man's, flighty affections. Hell, I'm not even as "pretty" as probably think I am. That picture you've seen was taken twenty years ago ... and it is one of the few ever taken of me that doesn't make clear just how un-photogenic I am.

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            You're right about one thing: you are ugly.

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              Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

              You're simply stating that science isn't about truth.

              I won't speak for him, but really, it isn't. Freedom from concerns about truth is precisely why science is such a powerful tool. Science is merely a very formal way of asking question and measuring observable phenomenon. In 500 years of trying science has provided far more question than it has truths. And thats a good thing. If science ever discovers truth, we will no longer need it.

              The only conspiracies that concern me are the ones I am completely unaware of. By the time I find out about it, its probably a done deal. Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hypocrisy is no morality at all. Freedom is not something you express with your genitals, it is something you express with your mind.

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              Stan Shannon wrote:

              ... And thats a good thing. If science ever discovers truth, we will no longer need it.

              LOL Think about this, Stan.

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              • I Ilion

                Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

                That's stupid and boring. :zzz:

                And you're infatuated with me. Believe me, I find that most boring. I used to try to be flattered when little boys (and adults pretending to be little boys) were infatuated with me. But, I must be up-front with you: it's boring; I'm not interested in being (this week's) object of your, or any other man's, flighty affections. Hell, I'm not even as "pretty" as probably think I am. That picture you've seen was taken twenty years ago ... and it is one of the few ever taken of me that doesn't make clear just how un-photogenic I am.

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                Wait, you ARE the bearded lady! :wtf:

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                • I Ilion

                  Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

                  That's stupid and boring. :zzz:

                  And you're infatuated with me. Believe me, I find that most boring. I used to try to be flattered when little boys (and adults pretending to be little boys) were infatuated with me. But, I must be up-front with you: it's boring; I'm not interested in being (this week's) object of your, or any other man's, flighty affections. Hell, I'm not even as "pretty" as probably think I am. That picture you've seen was taken twenty years ago ... and it is one of the few ever taken of me that doesn't make clear just how un-photogenic I am.

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                  Why aren't you answering Troy D. Hailey?

                  "We were backstage, playing Monopoly. Totally forgot there was a show, so sorry we are late." - Maynard James Keenan

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                  • I Ilion

                    Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

                    That's stupid and boring. :zzz:

                    And you're infatuated with me. Believe me, I find that most boring. I used to try to be flattered when little boys (and adults pretending to be little boys) were infatuated with me. But, I must be up-front with you: it's boring; I'm not interested in being (this week's) object of your, or any other man's, flighty affections. Hell, I'm not even as "pretty" as probably think I am. That picture you've seen was taken twenty years ago ... and it is one of the few ever taken of me that doesn't make clear just how un-photogenic I am.

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                    Aren't we buddies?

                    "We were backstage, playing Monopoly. Totally forgot there was a show, so sorry we are late." - Maynard James Keenan

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                    • I Ilion

                      Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

                      That's stupid and boring. :zzz:

                      And you're infatuated with me. Believe me, I find that most boring. I used to try to be flattered when little boys (and adults pretending to be little boys) were infatuated with me. But, I must be up-front with you: it's boring; I'm not interested in being (this week's) object of your, or any other man's, flighty affections. Hell, I'm not even as "pretty" as probably think I am. That picture you've seen was taken twenty years ago ... and it is one of the few ever taken of me that doesn't make clear just how un-photogenic I am.

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                      I thought we were a team, man!

                      "We were backstage, playing Monopoly. Totally forgot there was a show, so sorry we are late." - Maynard James Keenan

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                      • I Ilion

                        Stan Shannon wrote:

                        ... And thats a good thing. If science ever discovers truth, we will no longer need it.

                        LOL Think about this, Stan.

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                        Why are you ignoring me Troy D. Hailey? Don't you love me any more? :((

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                        • I Ilion

                          Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

                          That's stupid and boring. :zzz:

                          And you're infatuated with me. Believe me, I find that most boring. I used to try to be flattered when little boys (and adults pretending to be little boys) were infatuated with me. But, I must be up-front with you: it's boring; I'm not interested in being (this week's) object of your, or any other man's, flighty affections. Hell, I'm not even as "pretty" as probably think I am. That picture you've seen was taken twenty years ago ... and it is one of the few ever taken of me that doesn't make clear just how un-photogenic I am.

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                          Ilíon, are you angry with me? :(

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                          • I Ilion

                            Stan Shannon wrote:

                            ... And thats a good thing. If science ever discovers truth, we will no longer need it.

                            LOL Think about this, Stan.

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                            Ilíon!!! Don't cry please! I didn't mean to hurt you.

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                            • I Ilion

                              Stan Shannon wrote:

                              ... And thats a good thing. If science ever discovers truth, we will no longer need it.

                              LOL Think about this, Stan.

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                              You're breaking my heart Ilíon... :((

                              "We were backstage, playing Monopoly. Totally forgot there was a show, so sorry we are late." - Maynard James Keenan

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                              • I Ilion

                                Rob Graham wrote:

                                I'd be more interested in a cure for Islam.

                                It's called "Christianity" ... that's the only thing that's going to do it. [This, in itself, isn't proof that Christianity is true; but that's a different issue.] If the nations of Europe want to save themselves from Islam, they (as national societies) are going to have to sincerely re-convert to Christianity. I expect them to try Fascism, instead. Islam -- for all its barbarity and backwardness -- is at least something; whereas "secular humanisn" is a big nothing. And, it's impossible to beat something with nothing.

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                                Aww, come on. How's about a cuddle? :)

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                                • I Ilion

                                  Rob Graham wrote:

                                  I'd be more interested in a cure for Islam.

                                  It's called "Christianity" ... that's the only thing that's going to do it. [This, in itself, isn't proof that Christianity is true; but that's a different issue.] If the nations of Europe want to save themselves from Islam, they (as national societies) are going to have to sincerely re-convert to Christianity. I expect them to try Fascism, instead. Islam -- for all its barbarity and backwardness -- is at least something; whereas "secular humanisn" is a big nothing. And, it's impossible to beat something with nothing.

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                                  Do you believe in love after love? I can feel something inside me say, "I really don't think you're strong enough, no." Do you believe in love after love? I can feel something inside me say, "I really don't think you're strong enough, no."

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                                  • I Ilion

                                    Rob Graham wrote:

                                    I'd be more interested in a cure for Islam.

                                    It's called "Christianity" ... that's the only thing that's going to do it. [This, in itself, isn't proof that Christianity is true; but that's a different issue.] If the nations of Europe want to save themselves from Islam, they (as national societies) are going to have to sincerely re-convert to Christianity. I expect them to try Fascism, instead. Islam -- for all its barbarity and backwardness -- is at least something; whereas "secular humanisn" is a big nothing. And, it's impossible to beat something with nothing.

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                                    Mmmm Mmmm Mmmm Come on, buzz me up to heaven baby Mmmm Mmmm Mmmm Come on, buzz me up to heaven I've been missing you I should be kissing you Honey to the Bee that's you for me I wouldn't tell a lie got a love I can't deny Honey to the Bee that's you for me Honey to the Bee that's you for me Honey to the Bee I close my eyes and I see you clear It feels like you're lying here All the things I want to say come and go Easy as the breeze those words just flow I float on air light as a feather Your love so sweet like an open flower I'm dizzy from the time we spent together I need that honey drip every hour I'm thinking about your sugar lips Got a feeling for you now that's so strong I'm dreaming of the candy in your finger tips Baby don't stay away from me for too long I've been missing you I should be kissing you Honey to the Bee that's you for me I wouldn't tell a lie got a love I can't deny Honey to the Bee that's you for me Honey to the Bee that's you for me Honey to the Bee Mmmm Mmmm Mmmm Come on, buzz me up to heaven baby Mmmm Mmmm Mmmm Come on, buzz me up to heaven baby You make me smile though you're far away I hear your voice like it was yesterday All the things you do make me feel so fine I wanna tell the world about a love that's mine These wings to fly are gonna last forever Cos one by one my dreams come true And I touch the sky whenever we're together I can't believe the joy I get with you I'm thinking about your sugar lips Got a feeling for you now that's so strong I'm dreaming of the candy in your finger tips Baby don't stay away from me for too long I've been missing you I should be kissing you Honey to the Bee that's you for me I wouldn't tell a lie got a love I can't deny Honey to the Bee that's you for me I've been missing you I should be kissing you Honey to the Bee that's you for me I wouldn't tell a lie got a love I can't deny Honey to the Bee that's you for me Honey to the Bee that's you for me Honey to the Bee come on and buzz me (Heaven) you're the only one who can get me there (Heaven) when you gonna hear my prayer, yeah? (Heaven) you're the only one who can get me there (Heaven) when you gonna hear my prayer, yeah? I'm thinking about your sugar lips Got a feeling for you now that's so strong I'm dreaming of the candy in your finger tips Baby don't stay away from me for too long I've been missing you I should be kissing you Honey to the Bee that's you for me I wouldn't tell a lie got a love I can't deny H

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                                    • I Ilion

                                      Rob Graham wrote:

                                      I'd be more interested in a cure for Islam.

                                      It's called "Christianity" ... that's the only thing that's going to do it. [This, in itself, isn't proof that Christianity is true; but that's a different issue.] If the nations of Europe want to save themselves from Islam, they (as national societies) are going to have to sincerely re-convert to Christianity. I expect them to try Fascism, instead. Islam -- for all its barbarity and backwardness -- is at least something; whereas "secular humanisn" is a big nothing. And, it's impossible to beat something with nothing.

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                                      A dream is a wish your heart makes when you're fast asleep. In dreams you will lose your heartaches, whatever you wish for you keep. Have faith in your dreams and someday, your rainbow will come smiling through. No matter how your heart is grieving, if you keep on believing the dream that you wish will come true. A dream is a wish your heart makes When you're feeling small, Alone in the night you'll whisper, thinking no one can hear you at all. You wake with the morning sunlight to find fortune that is smiling on you. Don't let your heart be filled with sorrow, for all you know, tomorrow the dream that you wished will come true. (A dream is a wish your heart makes) Oh, when you're fast asleep. (In dreams you will lose your heartaches) Oh, whatever you wish for you keep. Oh, you wake with the morning sunlight to find fortune that is smiling on you. Don't let your heart be filled with sorrow, for all you know, tomorrow the dream that you wished will come true. Oh, no matter how your heart is grieving, if you'll keep on believing the dream that you wish will come true.

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                                      • I Ilion

                                        Rob Graham wrote:

                                        I'd be more interested in a cure for Islam.

                                        It's called "Christianity" ... that's the only thing that's going to do it. [This, in itself, isn't proof that Christianity is true; but that's a different issue.] If the nations of Europe want to save themselves from Islam, they (as national societies) are going to have to sincerely re-convert to Christianity. I expect them to try Fascism, instead. Islam -- for all its barbarity and backwardness -- is at least something; whereas "secular humanisn" is a big nothing. And, it's impossible to beat something with nothing.

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                                        Don't want diamonds don't want gold Don't want fashion don't wanna be cool Don't wanna hustle just to get thru When it all comes down babe All I want is you Don't wanna argue don't wanna fight Don't want no politics babe all thru the night I told ya before - gonna tell ya once more For the last time baby open up your door All I want is you all I want is you Not any old girl will do All I want is you If ya don't need love ya gotta be nuts The heaviest metal always rusts Just you and me babe hangin' tough It's gotta be it's gotta be it's gotta be love or bust Don't need a doctor don't need a nurse Don't need a prescription babe Only make me feel worse Don't need a license don't need insurance Don't need a ticket where we're goin' babe You got my assurance ya I told ya before - gonna tell ya once more For the last time baby open up your door

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                                          Rob Graham wrote:

                                          I'd be more interested in a cure for Islam.

                                          It's called "Christianity" ... that's the only thing that's going to do it. [This, in itself, isn't proof that Christianity is true; but that's a different issue.] If the nations of Europe want to save themselves from Islam, they (as national societies) are going to have to sincerely re-convert to Christianity. I expect them to try Fascism, instead. Islam -- for all its barbarity and backwardness -- is at least something; whereas "secular humanisn" is a big nothing. And, it's impossible to beat something with nothing.

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                                          We were as one For a moment in time And it seemed everlasting That you would always be mine Now you want to be free So I'll let you fly 'Cause I know in my heart Our love will never die You'll always be a part of me I'm part of you indefinitely Boy don't you know you can't escape me Ooh darling 'cause you'll always be my baby And we'll linger on Time can't erase a feeling this strong No way you're ever gonna shake me Oh darling, 'cause you'll always be my baby I ain't gonna cry And I won't beg you to stay If you're determined to leave boy I will not stand in your way But inevitably, you'll be back again 'Cause you know in your heart babe Our love will never end You'll always be a part of me I'm part of you indefinitely Boy don't you know you can't escape me Ooh darling 'cause you'll always be my baby And we'll linger on Time can't erase a feeling this strong No way you're ever gonna shake me Oh darling, 'cause you'll always be my baby I know that you'll be back boy When your days and your nights get a little bit colder I know that you'll be right back baby Oh baby believe me it's only a matter of time You'll always be a part of me I'm part of you indefinitely Boy don't you know you can't escape me Ooh darling 'cause you'll always be my baby And we'll linger on Time can't erase a feeling this strong No way you're ever gonna shake me Oh darling, 'cause you'll always be my baby

                                          "We were backstage, playing Monopoly. Totally forgot there was a show, so sorry we are late." - Maynard James Keenan

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