Gay scientists isolate 'Christian Gene'
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Rob Graham wrote:
I'd be more interested in a cure for Islam.
It's called "Christianity" ... that's the only thing that's going to do it. [This, in itself, isn't proof that Christianity is true; but that's a different issue.] If the nations of Europe want to save themselves from Islam, they (as national societies) are going to have to sincerely re-convert to Christianity. I expect them to try Fascism, instead. Islam -- for all its barbarity and backwardness -- is at least something; whereas "secular humanisn" is a big nothing. And, it's impossible to beat something with nothing.
Though we've got to say good-bye For the summer Darling, I promise you this I'll send you all my love Everyday in a letter Sealed with a kiss CHORUS: Yes it's gonna be cold, lonely summer But I'll fill the emptiness I'll send you all my dreams Everyday in a letter Sealed with a kiss I'll see you in the sunlight I'll hear your voice everywhere I'll run to tenderly hold you But, Darlin' you won't be there I don't wanna say good-bye For the summer Knowing the love we'll miss Let us make a pledge To meet in September And seal it with a kiss (instrumental) (CHORUS) Sealed with a kiss Sealed with a kiss Sealed with a kiss
"We were backstage, playing Monopoly. Totally forgot there was a show, so sorry we are late." - Maynard James Keenan
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Rob Graham wrote:
I'd be more interested in a cure for Islam.
It's called "Christianity" ... that's the only thing that's going to do it. [This, in itself, isn't proof that Christianity is true; but that's a different issue.] If the nations of Europe want to save themselves from Islam, they (as national societies) are going to have to sincerely re-convert to Christianity. I expect them to try Fascism, instead. Islam -- for all its barbarity and backwardness -- is at least something; whereas "secular humanisn" is a big nothing. And, it's impossible to beat something with nothing.
Ocean's apart Day after day And I slowly go insane I hear your voice On the line But it doesn't start the pain If I see you next to never How can we say forever? (Chorus) Wherever you go Whatever you do I will be right here waiting for you Whatever it takes Oh, how my heart breaks I will be right here waiting for you I took for granted All the times That I thought it would last somehow I hear the laughter I tasted the tears But I can't get near you now Oh, can't you see it baby? You've got me going crazy I wonder how We can survive This romance But in the end if I'm with you I'll take the chance Oh, can't you see it baby? You've got me going crazy (Repeat Chorus)
"We were backstage, playing Monopoly. Totally forgot there was a show, so sorry we are late." - Maynard James Keenan
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Rob Graham wrote:
I'd be more interested in a cure for Islam.
It's called "Christianity" ... that's the only thing that's going to do it. [This, in itself, isn't proof that Christianity is true; but that's a different issue.] If the nations of Europe want to save themselves from Islam, they (as national societies) are going to have to sincerely re-convert to Christianity. I expect them to try Fascism, instead. Islam -- for all its barbarity and backwardness -- is at least something; whereas "secular humanisn" is a big nothing. And, it's impossible to beat something with nothing.
I had no choice but to hear you You stated your case time and again I thought about it You treat me like I'm a princess I'm not used to liking that You ask how my day was Chorus: You've already won me over in spite of me And don't be alarmed if I fall head over feet And don't be surprised if I love you for all that you are I couldn't help it It's all your fault Your love is thick and it swallowed me whole You're so much braver than I gave you credit for That's not lip service Repeat Chorus You are the bearer of unconditional things You held your breath and the door for me Thanks for your patience You're the best listener that I've ever met You're my best friend Best friend with benefits What took me so long I've never felt this healthy before I've never wanted something rational I am aware now I am aware now
"We were backstage, playing Monopoly. Totally forgot there was a show, so sorry we are late." - Maynard James Keenan
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Rob Graham wrote:
I'd be more interested in a cure for Islam.
It's called "Christianity" ... that's the only thing that's going to do it. [This, in itself, isn't proof that Christianity is true; but that's a different issue.] If the nations of Europe want to save themselves from Islam, they (as national societies) are going to have to sincerely re-convert to Christianity. I expect them to try Fascism, instead. Islam -- for all its barbarity and backwardness -- is at least something; whereas "secular humanisn" is a big nothing. And, it's impossible to beat something with nothing.
Sometimes is never quite enough If you're flawless, then you'll win my love Don't forget to win first place Don't forget to keep that smile on your face Be a good boy Try a little harder You've got to measure up And make me prouder How long before you screw it up How many times do I have to tell you to hurry up With everything I do for you The least you can do is keep quiet Be a good girl You've gotta try a little harder That simply wasn't good enough To make us proud I'll live through you I'll make you what I never was If you're the best, then maybe so am I Compared to him, compared to her I'm doing this for your own damn good You'll make up for what I blew What's the problem...why are you crying Be a good boy Push a little farther now That wasn't fast enough To make us happy We'll love you just the way you are If you're perfect
"We were backstage, playing Monopoly. Totally forgot there was a show, so sorry we are late." - Maynard James Keenan
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Rob Graham wrote:
I'd be more interested in a cure for Islam.
It's called "Christianity" ... that's the only thing that's going to do it. [This, in itself, isn't proof that Christianity is true; but that's a different issue.] If the nations of Europe want to save themselves from Islam, they (as national societies) are going to have to sincerely re-convert to Christianity. I expect them to try Fascism, instead. Islam -- for all its barbarity and backwardness -- is at least something; whereas "secular humanisn" is a big nothing. And, it's impossible to beat something with nothing.
I wanna run into someone's arms Lie on a bed of roses I, I wanna feel just like Juliet I wanna fall in love I've got a feeling... (Chorus:) Ev'rybody wants someone to love Somebody they can trust, somebody they can touch Ev'rybody wants to give their heart away Ev'rybody needs a little tenderness To feel understood, to feel passionate Ev'rybody wants to be in love this way I know I do What about you? I wanna be somebody's baby I wanna cry and still feel beautiful Maybe I really just wanna be myself Am I the only one? I've got a feeling... (Repeat chorus) See, I do Doesn't ev'rybody wanna give their heart away? I do Doesn't ev'rybody wanna love this way? 'Cause I do
"We were backstage, playing Monopoly. Totally forgot there was a show, so sorry we are late." - Maynard James Keenan
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Rob Graham wrote:
I'd be more interested in a cure for Islam.
It's called "Christianity" ... that's the only thing that's going to do it. [This, in itself, isn't proof that Christianity is true; but that's a different issue.] If the nations of Europe want to save themselves from Islam, they (as national societies) are going to have to sincerely re-convert to Christianity. I expect them to try Fascism, instead. Islam -- for all its barbarity and backwardness -- is at least something; whereas "secular humanisn" is a big nothing. And, it's impossible to beat something with nothing.
Do you remember when we met That's the day I knew you were my pet I want to tell you how much I love you Come with me, my love To the sea, the sea of love I want to tell you how much I love you Come with me, to the sea Do you remember when we met That's the day I knew you were my pet I want to tell you how much I love you GUITAR SOLO Come with me, to the sea Come with me, my love To the sea, the sea of love I want to tell you how much I love you Come with me, to the sea
"We were backstage, playing Monopoly. Totally forgot there was a show, so sorry we are late." - Maynard James Keenan
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Rob Graham wrote:
I'd be more interested in a cure for Islam.
It's called "Christianity" ... that's the only thing that's going to do it. [This, in itself, isn't proof that Christianity is true; but that's a different issue.] If the nations of Europe want to save themselves from Islam, they (as national societies) are going to have to sincerely re-convert to Christianity. I expect them to try Fascism, instead. Islam -- for all its barbarity and backwardness -- is at least something; whereas "secular humanisn" is a big nothing. And, it's impossible to beat something with nothing.
Chorus 1:) Someday out of the blue In a crowded street or a deserted square I'll turn and I'll see you As if our love were new Someday we can start again Someday soon Here comes the night Here come the memories Lost in your arms Down in the foreign fields Not so long ago Seems like eternity Those sweet afternoons Still capture me (Repeat chorus 1) I still believe I still put faith in us We had it all And watched it slip away Where are we now? Not where we want to be Those hot afternoons Still capture me (Chorus 2:) Someday out of the blue Maybe years from now, or tomorrow night I'll turn and I'll see you As if we always knew Someday we would live again Someday soon I still believe, I still put faith in us(3x) Here comes the night Here come the memories Lost in your arms Down in the foreign fields Not so long ago Seems like eternity Those sweet afternoons Still capture me (Repeat chorus 2) (Repeat chorus 1) I still believe, I still put faith in us (Repeat until fade)
"We were backstage, playing Monopoly. Totally forgot there was a show, so sorry we are late." - Maynard James Keenan
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Rob Graham wrote:
I'd be more interested in a cure for Islam.
It's called "Christianity" ... that's the only thing that's going to do it. [This, in itself, isn't proof that Christianity is true; but that's a different issue.] If the nations of Europe want to save themselves from Islam, they (as national societies) are going to have to sincerely re-convert to Christianity. I expect them to try Fascism, instead. Islam -- for all its barbarity and backwardness -- is at least something; whereas "secular humanisn" is a big nothing. And, it's impossible to beat something with nothing.
It's a little bit funny this feeling inside I'm not one of those who can easily hide I don't have much money but boy if I did I'd buy a big house where we both could live If I was a sculptor, but then again, no Or a man who makes potions in a travelling show I know it's not much but it's the best I can do My gift is my song and this one's for you And you can tell everybody this is your song It may be quite simple but now that it's done I hope you don't mind, I hope you don't mind that I put down in words How wonderful life is while you're in the world I sat on the roof and kicked off the moss Well a few of the verses well they've got me quite cross But the sun's been quite kind while I wrote this song It's for people like you that keep it turned on So excuse me forgetting but these things I do You see I've forgotten if they're green or they're blue Anyway the thing is what I really mean Yours are the sweetest eyes I've ever seen
"We were backstage, playing Monopoly. Totally forgot there was a show, so sorry we are late." - Maynard James Keenan
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Stan Shannon wrote:
... And thats a good thing. If science ever discovers truth, we will no longer need it.
LOL Think about this, Stan.
Butterfly Kiss - With your faces less than a breath away, open and close your eyelids against your partners. If done correctly, the fluttering sensation will match the one in your heart. Cheek Kiss - A friendly, "I really like you" kiss. Often the preferred kissing method of a first date. With your hands on your partner's shoulders, gently brush your lips across her cheek. Earlobe Kiss - Gently sip and suck the earlobe. Avoid louder sucking noises as ears are sensitized noise detectors. Eskimo Kiss - With your faces less than a breath apart, gently rub your noses together. Eye Kiss - Hold your partner's head with both hands and slowly move their head in the direction you wish your kiss to go... then slowly kiss up towards your partner's eyes and give them a tender kiss on top of their closed eyes. Eyelid Kiss - While your partner is resting/sleeping with eyes closed, very very gently kiss the spot right below their browbone. A very intimate kiss. Finger Kiss - While laying together gently suck on their fingers. This can be very seductive and pleasurable. Foot Kiss - An erotic and romantic gesture. It may tickle, but relax and enjoy it! To give a toe kiss by gently suck the toes and then lightly kissing the foot. It helps to gently massage the base of the foot while performing the kiss. Forehead Kiss - The "motherly" kiss or "just friends" kiss. The forehead kiss can be a comforting kiss to anyone. Simply brush your lips lightly across the crown of their head. Freeze Kiss (or Melt Kiss) - Experiment with this fun kiss. Put a small piece of ice in your mouth, then open mouth and kiss your partner, passing them the ice with your tongue. It's an erotic and sensual french kiss with a twist of cold. French Kiss - The kiss involving the tongue. Some call this the "Soul Kiss" because the life and soul are thought to pass through the mouth's breath in the exchange across tongues. Surprisingly, the French call this "The English Kiss". Fruity Kiss - Take a small piece of fruit and place between your lips (juicy fruits such as grapes, strawberries, small pieces of pineapple or mango are ideal). Kiss your partner and nibble one half of the piece of fruit while they nibble the other until it breaks in half, allowing the juice to run into your mouths. Hand Kiss - Gently raise her hand to your lips. Lightly brush your lips across the top of her hand. Historically this kiss was performed with a bow, which showed deference to a lady. Hickey Kiss - The object is not to draw blood, but to gently
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Stan Shannon wrote:
... And thats a good thing. If science ever discovers truth, we will no longer need it.
LOL Think about this, Stan.
Knowing truth would mean the end of human discovery. No more question, no more exploration. Having questions is a good thing for a human mind. Having truth is rather meaningless. What the hell would we do with truth? Put it on a shelf and admire it?
The only conspiracies that concern me are the ones I am completely unaware of. By the time I find out about it, its probably a done deal. Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hypocrisy is no morality at all. Freedom is not something you express with your genitals, it is something you express with your mind.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Well, yeah, but than she's not taking on Christians and pretending shes waging some kind of campaign against evil like the rest of you guys do - she's taking on Islam, the real McCoy. Thats completely different. If you guys were doing that, I'd be right behind you all the way (although at a good distance).
An amusing reply. However, it rather misses the point that she represents a counter-example to your claim that: "Secular Humanists are not exactly into that whole "courage" thing." More generally, I would be confident that in countries like Pakistan and Iran, it is the secularists who provide most of what opposition exists to Islamic extremism. All around the world, people tend to focus on what is in their own backyard, both because that is what they care about most and because that is generally where they can have the most impact.
John Carson
<blockquote class="FQ"><div class="FQA">John Carson wrote:</div>More generally, I would be confident that in countries like Pakistan and Iran, it is the secularists who provide most of what opposition exists to Islamic extremism. All around the world, people tend to focus on what is in their own backyard, both because that is what they care about most and because that is generally where they can have the most impact. </blockquote> Well, I was just joking around, but I suppose now I have to get all serious. There simply is no parallel between the fight againt radical Islam by a tiny fraction of Middle eastern secularists and the fight against Christianity by a huge number of western secular humanist. They are two completely unrelated social phenomenon. In fact, they are vitually a mirror image of one another. The complete opposites. Those opposing Islam are in fact engaged in an attempt to free middle eastern societies from a truly dangerous, evil, totalitarian opponent. Those opposing Christianity in the west are trying to eliminate all possible competitive sources of moral authority so that they can in fact impose a totalitarian authority over western society all their own. Western humanists use the struggle against Islam as a means of justifying their own efforts at gaining total social hegemony. But there simply is no comparison. In fact, if anything, I represent something far closer to Hirsi Ali in our society than you do. You reperesent a threat to true secularism, not a defense of it.
The only conspiracies that concern me are the ones I am completely unaware of. By the time I find out about it, its probably a done deal. Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hypocrisy is no morality at all. Freedom is not something you express with your genitals, it is something you express with your mind.
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Edmundisme wrote (to Stan Shannon):
Homophobia is not a lifestyle. How you live in accordance with, or in spite of your tendencies (both innate and learned) is your lifestyle.
I don't think you're paying attention to the context of Stan's question, nor, really, to the actual content. (Some) 'Secularists' and (some) "gay activists" like to promote the silly idea that "gays" have no choice -- and therefore bear no moral responsibility -- for living a "gay lifestyle." (Some) Others like to promote the equally silly idea that to even speak of a "gay lifestyle" is to speak literal non-sense, is merely to express "homophobia" (which, as we all know, is "bad/immoral" ... except that, according to these same people at other times, there is actually no such thing as "morality" or "immorality"). Stan's question seeks to skewer such thinking by showing its internal contradictions.
Edmundisme wrote:
If you are a Christian, ...
Perhaps he's changed his mind, but last I knew Stan didn't/doesn't claim to be a Christian. As I understand him, he's "agnostic-but-not-hostile" towards Christianity -- which stance is in contradistinction to most self-proclaimed 'agnostics,' who might as well just be honest about it and done with it and call themselves 'atheists.'
Edmundisme wrote:
So the question is, according to the scriptures, how should we treat homosexuals? How should we feel about them? How should we feel about them when they walk into our church?
But if you start talking about "feelings," then you're no longer talking about scripture and thinking. In fact, you're right back into the territory that you're incorrectly criticizing Stan about.
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Ilíon wrote:
I don't think you're paying attention to the context of Stan's question, nor, really, to the actual content.
The context of Stan's question is a response to my post. His question points out the hypocrisy of secularist thinking. My response is neither in support or opposition to his point, but rather, that it's irrelevant to my original post (which is about how Christians treat homosexuals vs. how I think Christians should treat homosexuals).
Ilíon wrote:
(Some) 'Secularists' and (some) "gay activists" like to promote the silly idea that "gays" have no choice -- and therefore bear no moral responsibility -- for living a "gay lifestyle."
I've already made the point that having a tendency is different than actively entertaining a tendency. The two are wholly different.
Ilíon wrote:
Perhaps he's changed his mind, but last I knew Stan didn't/doesn't claim to be a Christian.
I don't know whether he's a Christian or not. Because my post was about how Christians should treat homosexuals according to the scripture, if he's not a Christian, the point is not relevant to him anyway.
Ilíon wrote:
But if you start talking about "feelings," then you're no longer talking about scripture and thinking.
I'm not sure how to respond to this. I do know that the scriptures say we should love others as we love ourselves. I think you would have a difficult time defending your supposition that the scriptures are only about thinking, and not about feeling. Regardless, I disagree with you here. I think the scriptures teach us to be kind and humble. I think they teach us love and show compassion. So, based on the scriptures, when a gay person walks into our church, our hearts should break for their struggle. I don't think (as was my original point) that we should ostracize them or regard them as a different kind of sinner than ourselves. Now, I agree that we cannot muster up feelings. But I do think that God can and does change our hearts when we earnestly seek him, and that if our response to homosexuals is disdain, then there is something wrong with us.
Ilíon wrote:
In fact, you're right back into the territory that you're incorrectly criticizing Stan about.
I don't believe I criticized Stan. I think I said th
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Rob Graham wrote:
I'd be more interested in a cure for Islam.
It's called "Christianity" ... that's the only thing that's going to do it. [This, in itself, isn't proof that Christianity is true; but that's a different issue.] If the nations of Europe want to save themselves from Islam, they (as national societies) are going to have to sincerely re-convert to Christianity. I expect them to try Fascism, instead. Islam -- for all its barbarity and backwardness -- is at least something; whereas "secular humanisn" is a big nothing. And, it's impossible to beat something with nothing.
Looks like you have found yourself a friend. :laugh:
Happy birthday baby Jesus! Please don't burn us all in hell forever.
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It's a little bit funny this feeling inside I'm not one of those who can easily hide I don't have much money but boy if I did I'd buy a big house where we both could live If I was a sculptor, but then again, no Or a man who makes potions in a travelling show I know it's not much but it's the best I can do My gift is my song and this one's for you And you can tell everybody this is your song It may be quite simple but now that it's done I hope you don't mind, I hope you don't mind that I put down in words How wonderful life is while you're in the world I sat on the roof and kicked off the moss Well a few of the verses well they've got me quite cross But the sun's been quite kind while I wrote this song It's for people like you that keep it turned on So excuse me forgetting but these things I do You see I've forgotten if they're green or they're blue Anyway the thing is what I really mean Yours are the sweetest eyes I've ever seen
"We were backstage, playing Monopoly. Totally forgot there was a show, so sorry we are late." - Maynard James Keenan
You are just being plain weird.
Word, write letters and sh*t yo. It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird. Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings. The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. Everyone needs believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer.
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<blockquote class="FQ"><div class="FQA">John Carson wrote:</div>More generally, I would be confident that in countries like Pakistan and Iran, it is the secularists who provide most of what opposition exists to Islamic extremism. All around the world, people tend to focus on what is in their own backyard, both because that is what they care about most and because that is generally where they can have the most impact. </blockquote> Well, I was just joking around, but I suppose now I have to get all serious. There simply is no parallel between the fight againt radical Islam by a tiny fraction of Middle eastern secularists and the fight against Christianity by a huge number of western secular humanist. They are two completely unrelated social phenomenon. In fact, they are vitually a mirror image of one another. The complete opposites. Those opposing Islam are in fact engaged in an attempt to free middle eastern societies from a truly dangerous, evil, totalitarian opponent. Those opposing Christianity in the west are trying to eliminate all possible competitive sources of moral authority so that they can in fact impose a totalitarian authority over western society all their own. Western humanists use the struggle against Islam as a means of justifying their own efforts at gaining total social hegemony. But there simply is no comparison. In fact, if anything, I represent something far closer to Hirsi Ali in our society than you do. You reperesent a threat to true secularism, not a defense of it.
The only conspiracies that concern me are the ones I am completely unaware of. By the time I find out about it, its probably a done deal. Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hypocrisy is no morality at all. Freedom is not something you express with your genitals, it is something you express with your mind.
Stan Shannon wrote:
There simply is no parallel between the fight againt radical Islam by a tiny fraction of Middle eastern secularists and the fight against Christianity by a huge number of western secular humanist.
The parallel is that it is basically the same movement at different stages. Over several centuries, Western secularists have de-fanged Christianity, so that it is now relatively harmless. That task has yet to be accomplished for Islam. Nevertheless, if one is living in the United States and cares about abortion rights or gay rights (I know you don't) or about the provision of effective sex education as a means of combating teenage pregnancies and the spread of AIDS or about the integrity of science education or about a Middle East policy not dominated by concern for the fulfillment of Biblical prophesy, then Christianity is the problem, not Islam. That explains why most US secularists are more focussed on Christianity than Islam. There are exceptions, most notably prominent atheists Christopher Hitchens (author of God is not Great) and Sam Harris (author of The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason and Letter to a Christian Nation), both of whom are strident in their assertion of the need to oppose the threat posed by Islam.
Stan Shannon wrote:
In fact, if anything, I represent something far closer to Hirsi Ali in our society than you do. You reperesent a threat to true secularism, not a defense of it.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
John Carson
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Stan Shannon wrote:
There simply is no parallel between the fight againt radical Islam by a tiny fraction of Middle eastern secularists and the fight against Christianity by a huge number of western secular humanist.
The parallel is that it is basically the same movement at different stages. Over several centuries, Western secularists have de-fanged Christianity, so that it is now relatively harmless. That task has yet to be accomplished for Islam. Nevertheless, if one is living in the United States and cares about abortion rights or gay rights (I know you don't) or about the provision of effective sex education as a means of combating teenage pregnancies and the spread of AIDS or about the integrity of science education or about a Middle East policy not dominated by concern for the fulfillment of Biblical prophesy, then Christianity is the problem, not Islam. That explains why most US secularists are more focussed on Christianity than Islam. There are exceptions, most notably prominent atheists Christopher Hitchens (author of God is not Great) and Sam Harris (author of The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason and Letter to a Christian Nation), both of whom are strident in their assertion of the need to oppose the threat posed by Islam.
Stan Shannon wrote:
In fact, if anything, I represent something far closer to Hirsi Ali in our society than you do. You reperesent a threat to true secularism, not a defense of it.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
John Carson
John Carson wrote:
The parallel is that it is basically the same movement at different stages. Over several centuries, Western secularists have de-fanged Christianity, so that it is now relatively harmless. That task has yet to be accomplished for Islam.
No, modern scular humanism is an example of civilization coming full circle. Government is about control, those who control it control civilization and are empowered to define the rules and standards of conduct which define a civilization. Separation of church and state created an impediment to those who wish to control civilization and bend it to their own will. Humanism represents an end run around that impediment. It is free to use the state to promote its agenda by simply disassociating itself from the traditional definitions of religion while essentially trying to achieve precisely the same goals.
John Carson wrote:
Nevertheless, if one is living in the United States and cares about abortion rights or gay rights (I know you don't) or about the provision of effective sex education as a means of combating teenage pregnancies and the spread of AIDS
I don't think either side really cares about them. I think they merely represent weak points that can be exploited to gain control of society. They are a way of creating a conflict within a society between people and traditional moral standards. That weakens the hold those traditions have upon a people and allows the competition to deprive it of any sort of social power. But any conflict will do, they just happen to be the most convenient because of humanity's inherent appitite for sex. Redfining liberty as being somehow about sexuality and you have a very powerful tool for the manipulation of public attitudes.
John Carson wrote:
or about a Middle East policy not dominated by concern for the fulfillment of Biblical prophesy,
Thats is a good example of how the process works. Use any false claim to demonzie the opposition, to make it appear that normal, traditional appeals to a creator are examples of an aberation of our culture in order to legitimize their own desire to control the agenda. The truth is that there is nothing in our current foreign policy that can be even remotely associated with biblical prophesy aside from a few out of context quotes. You might as well say we fought WWII in order to fulfill biblical prop
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You are just being plain weird.
Word, write letters and sh*t yo. It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird. Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings. The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. Everyone needs believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer.
He's just such a dick-head. It's amusing, because I know how much he dislikes it.
"We were backstage, playing Monopoly. Totally forgot there was a show, so sorry we are late." - Maynard James Keenan
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He's just such a dick-head. It's amusing, because I know how much he dislikes it.
"We were backstage, playing Monopoly. Totally forgot there was a show, so sorry we are late." - Maynard James Keenan
"He's just such a dick-head. It's amusing, because I know how much he dislikes it." And you are just a *fool* who refuses to see the truth. Not even an ignorant twirp like you could think (if you are capable of that) that Jesus does not exist (as many of you *claim* to believe), because then you could not exist because Jesus is the creator of everything. It does not take a genius like me to see that. Isn't it funny how easy it is for me to turn your own words against you?
Happy birthday baby Jesus! Please don't burn us all in hell forever.
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"He's just such a dick-head. It's amusing, because I know how much he dislikes it." And you are just a *fool* who refuses to see the truth. Not even an ignorant twirp like you could think (if you are capable of that) that Jesus does not exist (as many of you *claim* to believe), because then you could not exist because Jesus is the creator of everything. It does not take a genius like me to see that. Isn't it funny how easy it is for me to turn your own words against you?
Happy birthday baby Jesus! Please don't burn us all in hell forever.
:laugh: That's brilliant! I don't think he liked the poems I wrote for him... :(
"We were backstage, playing Monopoly. Totally forgot there was a show, so sorry we are late." - Maynard James Keenan
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John Carson wrote:
The parallel is that it is basically the same movement at different stages. Over several centuries, Western secularists have de-fanged Christianity, so that it is now relatively harmless. That task has yet to be accomplished for Islam.
No, modern scular humanism is an example of civilization coming full circle. Government is about control, those who control it control civilization and are empowered to define the rules and standards of conduct which define a civilization. Separation of church and state created an impediment to those who wish to control civilization and bend it to their own will. Humanism represents an end run around that impediment. It is free to use the state to promote its agenda by simply disassociating itself from the traditional definitions of religion while essentially trying to achieve precisely the same goals.
John Carson wrote:
Nevertheless, if one is living in the United States and cares about abortion rights or gay rights (I know you don't) or about the provision of effective sex education as a means of combating teenage pregnancies and the spread of AIDS
I don't think either side really cares about them. I think they merely represent weak points that can be exploited to gain control of society. They are a way of creating a conflict within a society between people and traditional moral standards. That weakens the hold those traditions have upon a people and allows the competition to deprive it of any sort of social power. But any conflict will do, they just happen to be the most convenient because of humanity's inherent appitite for sex. Redfining liberty as being somehow about sexuality and you have a very powerful tool for the manipulation of public attitudes.
John Carson wrote:
or about a Middle East policy not dominated by concern for the fulfillment of Biblical prophesy,
Thats is a good example of how the process works. Use any false claim to demonzie the opposition, to make it appear that normal, traditional appeals to a creator are examples of an aberation of our culture in order to legitimize their own desire to control the agenda. The truth is that there is nothing in our current foreign policy that can be even remotely associated with biblical prophesy aside from a few out of context quotes. You might as well say we fought WWII in order to fulfill biblical prop
I think you have a paranoia about secularists that is immune to reason. You seem to have trouble distinguishing liberty from oppression.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Thats is a good example of how the process works. Use any false claim to demonzie the opposition, to make it appear that normal, traditional appeals to a creator are examples of an aberation of our culture in order to legitimize their own desire to control the agenda. The truth is that there is nothing in our current foreign policy that can be even remotely associated with biblical prophesy aside from a few out of context quotes.
You don't seem to keep up with many of the developments on the religious right. Much of the support for Israel on the religious right is because of a belief that the restoration of Jewish control of Palestine is a necessary precondition for the second coming. Historically, Christians have been hostile to the Jews. The love affair they currently have is for reasons of prophesy. http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/10336.htm[^]
The Christian right is also solidly behind Israel. White evangelicals are significantly more pro-Israeli than Americans in general; more than half of them say they strongly sympathise with Israel. (A third of the Americans who claim sympathy with Israel say that this stems from their religious beliefs.) Two in five Americans believe that Israel was given to the Jewish people by God, and one in three say that the creation of the state of Israel was a step towards the Second Coming.
http://sparkfactory.com.au/nfn/?page_id=103[^]
John Carson