On offshore outsourcing
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Paul Conrad wrote:
it seems they come onto CP wanting help for problems they can't solve.
I think that's how most of us got here initially...
That's very true, but some of the current generation seems unwilling to learn, and looking to be spoonfed. I doubt most of us were like that.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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I don't totally agree. I think that even R&D in biotechnology can be exported. E.g.: agriculture in Brazil and Argentina is already more productive than in developed countries mostly because of our R&D in biotechnology. Without subsidies farming in Europe, Japan and US would be extinct. As the article partially explains, the "comparative advantage" of rich countries lies in other area: marketing. What China, India and us (Brazil) have been doing is what Japan did for manufacturing in the 70's and 80's: produce cheaper (or better) what already exists. What the rich countries (not only the US but also Europe) know better is to invent and create markets that didn't exist before. E.g.: the whole IT industry (mostly the US), the mobile phone industry (mostly by Europeans), the industries of luxury goods (like Italian design, French fashion, German sport cars, etc). The careers I'd recommend for you would be marketing and finance.
Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.
Diego Moita wrote:
What the rich countries (not only the US but also Europe) know better is to invent and create markets that didn't exist before. E.g.: the whole IT industry (mostly the US), the mobile phone industry (mostly by Europeans), the industries of luxury goods (like Italian design, French fashion, German sport cars, etc).
And that is really all I was saying. An entreprenuerally society will always be on the cutting edge of lucretive new technologies. As those technologies mature they will naturally migrate down towards economies more managed and static.
The only conspiracies that concern me are the ones I am completely unaware of. By the time I find out about it, its probably a done deal. Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hypocrisy is no morality at all. Freedom is not something you express with your genitals, it is something you express with your mind.
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A very interesting article in offshore outosurcing[^]. If you're scared your job will be exported to India, East Europe or Latin America you'll find a deep analysis here. Basically, the author compares offshore-outsourcing with what happened before in agriculture and manufacturing. He explores the differences between "tradable" and "non-tradable" to speculate what will be outsourced to other countries and what will be the comparative advantages of rich countries.
Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.
Eyiyi downt speek mekseecan!
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Frankly, I continue to be amazed that so many bright young people continue to be drawn into the computer industry. Computer programming has been virtually a blue collar profession since the mid-90s and that is not going to change. If I were starting over again I would be developing skills in the bio-technology fields. We are on the verge of having technologies that allow us to create life forms that can revolutionize virtually every aspect of our lives and those are going to be far more significant going into the future than the high tech of the 20th century. Combining bio-technology with programming and fields such as architecture will be an unbeatable skill set going into the next several decades. The important thing is to not fall prey to socialist ideologies that blame our problems on the economic elites. We must maintain the most investment friendly economy in the world. Every penny I have earned since the mid-80's has come from rich folks trying to find some place to invest their wealth. That is a good thing and should be encouraged with low taxes and small government. We must also remain a friendly place for the best and the brightest of the world to migrate to. That strips competitive economies of their talent and brings them here. In such an environment, the most advanced and lucretive technologies of the future will remain here with us.
The only conspiracies that concern me are the ones I am completely unaware of. By the time I find out about it, its probably a done deal. Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hypocrisy is no morality at all. Freedom is not something you express with your genitals, it is something you express with your mind.
modified on Friday, December 21, 2007 5:18:33 PM
That's why, even at the ripe old age of 38, I am moving toward a career in law.
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Eyiyi downt speek mekseecan!
You can't spell 'singularity' either.
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That's why, even at the ripe old age of 38, I am moving toward a career in law.
Really ? Doesn't that involve 4+ years of study ? My plan is to keep writing software until I die. Over time it will be realised that only bad software comes out of sending your spec to India. You need someone to manage the process, even if some grunt work is outsourced. And if you don't have jobs for graduates, that means the people who are already skilled will continue to be in more and more demand. Dev houses where I live are struggling because they've tried outsourcing, it failed, and they can't find good local applicants for their positions.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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Really ? Doesn't that involve 4+ years of study ? My plan is to keep writing software until I die. Over time it will be realised that only bad software comes out of sending your spec to India. You need someone to manage the process, even if some grunt work is outsourced. And if you don't have jobs for graduates, that means the people who are already skilled will continue to be in more and more demand. Dev houses where I live are struggling because they've tried outsourcing, it failed, and they can't find good local applicants for their positions.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Yes, four years is the minimum, but I'll probably do five by correspondence, while continuing to write software. So if I decide to stay inn software I get something legally related.
My head asplode!
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That's very true, but some of the current generation seems unwilling to learn, and looking to be spoonfed. I doubt most of us were like that.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
IMO, the current generation just view this industry as another type of work. Most doesn't even know or like programming. But because it is/was "hot", they just join the crowd. The problem arises that, because the system is still examination base, they are able to get good grade, despise that they got no idea and no passion in developing a software, PLUS the hiring manager, may be people who does know programming either. So base on the qualification, they are hired. And quite a lot of developers now doesn't even try to learn, they just go internet, find the solution, put it in their system, and go back home.... I can bet some of the "most of us" didn't even have a degree in computer science etc, but because we love this field, we did more than what the current grads do. I myself is from Electronic Engineering.
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Frankly, I continue to be amazed that so many bright young people continue to be drawn into the computer industry. Computer programming has been virtually a blue collar profession since the mid-90s and that is not going to change. If I were starting over again I would be developing skills in the bio-technology fields. We are on the verge of having technologies that allow us to create life forms that can revolutionize virtually every aspect of our lives and those are going to be far more significant going into the future than the high tech of the 20th century. Combining bio-technology with programming and fields such as architecture will be an unbeatable skill set going into the next several decades. The important thing is to not fall prey to socialist ideologies that blame our problems on the economic elites. We must maintain the most investment friendly economy in the world. Every penny I have earned since the mid-80's has come from rich folks trying to find some place to invest their wealth. That is a good thing and should be encouraged with low taxes and small government. We must also remain a friendly place for the best and the brightest of the world to migrate to. That strips competitive economies of their talent and brings them here. In such an environment, the most advanced and lucretive technologies of the future will remain here with us.
The only conspiracies that concern me are the ones I am completely unaware of. By the time I find out about it, its probably a done deal. Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hypocrisy is no morality at all. Freedom is not something you express with your genitals, it is something you express with your mind.
modified on Friday, December 21, 2007 5:18:33 PM
Stan Shannon wrote:
If I were starting over again I would be developing skills in the bio-technology fields.
and would shift heart from left to right?
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IMO, the current generation just view this industry as another type of work. Most doesn't even know or like programming. But because it is/was "hot", they just join the crowd. The problem arises that, because the system is still examination base, they are able to get good grade, despise that they got no idea and no passion in developing a software, PLUS the hiring manager, may be people who does know programming either. So base on the qualification, they are hired. And quite a lot of developers now doesn't even try to learn, they just go internet, find the solution, put it in their system, and go back home.... I can bet some of the "most of us" didn't even have a degree in computer science etc, but because we love this field, we did more than what the current grads do. I myself is from Electronic Engineering.
I didn't even finish high school....
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )