A little departure from "the usual", AFAIK...
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Although this may come off as a bit of a disreputable question/topic, i've intended this to be approached as a more scientific discussion, if that is at all possible here, with the resident Soapboxians being used to the current scope of topics, which i believe needs to be given some rest, as they've become a little too stale. I remember quite fondly the psych-ology/iatry discussions that have been a staple of a forum i've used to call me "home" three or four years ago, until the place had broken up and i left along with many others. One of the members the discussions revolved around was actually studying for his PhD in Psychology which made conversations like this much more interesting. I doubt we have anyone like that here, but that shouldn't make this any less interesting, as the sheer number of interesting people here should make up for the difference in one way or another. :laugh: And finally the "question"... Just to warn you, the human mind has always been of interest to me and i tend to think about and analyse the things i see, often regardless of how "unsightly" their nature might be to the avarage person. Even if it hadn't helped me better understand the myself and those around me, at the very least it keeps me from getting bored ;). One of the things that i've seen and kinda taken note of, is that many people that have S&M tendencies and tend to have gender disassociation/alternate sexuality, often have suffered sexual abuse as children. To be more precise, i've noticed that if there's any two of these "traits" present, there's something of a 70% chance of the third being present as well, regardless of which i'm aware of at first. While i realize that there's many people out there that have either one of these traits alone and not even a hint of others, i still notice that they often come up together, and i've wondered for some time as to which one is the "chicken" and which is the "egg", and which typically appears first. And i do realize that with this thread i risk getting cast into hell by certain Soapbox ideologues, but i've decided it's worth the risk really...they don't own this place on Sundays, while they are somewhere else ;P Roswell :)
"Angelinos -- excuse me. There will be civility today."
Antonio VillaRaigosa
City Mayor, Los Angeles, CARoswellNX wrote:
And finally the "question"...
OK...so what is the question? :~
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God" Me blog, You read
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RoswellNX wrote:
And finally the "question"...
OK...so what is the question? :~
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God" Me blog, You read
Gary Kirkham wrote:
OK...so what is the question?
Heh...i appologise for being a bit verbose and putting the "question" a paragraph away... but that's why the quotes are in place... because it's not really a question, but more of a background on what i was thinking about and would like to have serving as a basis of this discussion. Roswell
"Angelinos -- excuse me. There will be civility today."
Antonio VillaRaigosa
City Mayor, Los Angeles, CA -
Although this may come off as a bit of a disreputable question/topic, i've intended this to be approached as a more scientific discussion, if that is at all possible here, with the resident Soapboxians being used to the current scope of topics, which i believe needs to be given some rest, as they've become a little too stale. I remember quite fondly the psych-ology/iatry discussions that have been a staple of a forum i've used to call me "home" three or four years ago, until the place had broken up and i left along with many others. One of the members the discussions revolved around was actually studying for his PhD in Psychology which made conversations like this much more interesting. I doubt we have anyone like that here, but that shouldn't make this any less interesting, as the sheer number of interesting people here should make up for the difference in one way or another. :laugh: And finally the "question"... Just to warn you, the human mind has always been of interest to me and i tend to think about and analyse the things i see, often regardless of how "unsightly" their nature might be to the avarage person. Even if it hadn't helped me better understand the myself and those around me, at the very least it keeps me from getting bored ;). One of the things that i've seen and kinda taken note of, is that many people that have S&M tendencies and tend to have gender disassociation/alternate sexuality, often have suffered sexual abuse as children. To be more precise, i've noticed that if there's any two of these "traits" present, there's something of a 70% chance of the third being present as well, regardless of which i'm aware of at first. While i realize that there's many people out there that have either one of these traits alone and not even a hint of others, i still notice that they often come up together, and i've wondered for some time as to which one is the "chicken" and which is the "egg", and which typically appears first. And i do realize that with this thread i risk getting cast into hell by certain Soapbox ideologues, but i've decided it's worth the risk really...they don't own this place on Sundays, while they are somewhere else ;P Roswell :)
"Angelinos -- excuse me. There will be civility today."
Antonio VillaRaigosa
City Mayor, Los Angeles, CASo you had to spend 4 paragraphs building up to this?
RoswellNX wrote:
One of the things that i've seen and kinda taken note of, is that many people that have S&M tendencies and tend to have gender disassociation/alternate sexuality, often have suffered sexual abuse as children. To be more precise, i've noticed that if there's any two of these "traits" present, there's something of a 70% chance of the third being present as well, regardless of which i'm aware of at first.
Can I have my minute that I spent reading that back now please?
Happy birthday baby Jesus! Please don't burn us all in hell forever.
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
OK...so what is the question?
Heh...i appologise for being a bit verbose and putting the "question" a paragraph away... but that's why the quotes are in place... because it's not really a question, but more of a background on what i was thinking about and would like to have serving as a basis of this discussion. Roswell
"Angelinos -- excuse me. There will be civility today."
Antonio VillaRaigosa
City Mayor, Los Angeles, CARoswellNX wrote:
many people that have S&M tendencies and tend to have gender disassociation/alternate sexuality, often have suffered sexual abuse as children.
I have never been around anyone with S&M tendencies or disassociation/alternate sexuality so I have no basis to form any conclusions. I do kind of wonder how someone, outside of a formal study, would have the oppurtunity to observe enough data points to form a conclusion. Anything you would like to share? :rolleyes:
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God" Me blog, You read
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So you had to spend 4 paragraphs building up to this?
RoswellNX wrote:
One of the things that i've seen and kinda taken note of, is that many people that have S&M tendencies and tend to have gender disassociation/alternate sexuality, often have suffered sexual abuse as children. To be more precise, i've noticed that if there's any two of these "traits" present, there's something of a 70% chance of the third being present as well, regardless of which i'm aware of at first.
Can I have my minute that I spent reading that back now please?
Happy birthday baby Jesus! Please don't burn us all in hell forever.
Hey Kyle! How's it been? And regarding that minute, haven't you spent hundreds of hours over the last four years just trolling? So that minute shouldn't be an issue. ;P I've spent more than that (~20 minutes altogether) writing this, trying to wrap a somewhat warped topic into a post that won't have everyone giving me a weird look, even though there's still room for it to be interpreted that way... Roswell
"Angelinos -- excuse me. There will be civility today."
Antonio VillaRaigosa
City Mayor, Los Angeles, CA -
Although this may come off as a bit of a disreputable question/topic, i've intended this to be approached as a more scientific discussion, if that is at all possible here, with the resident Soapboxians being used to the current scope of topics, which i believe needs to be given some rest, as they've become a little too stale. I remember quite fondly the psych-ology/iatry discussions that have been a staple of a forum i've used to call me "home" three or four years ago, until the place had broken up and i left along with many others. One of the members the discussions revolved around was actually studying for his PhD in Psychology which made conversations like this much more interesting. I doubt we have anyone like that here, but that shouldn't make this any less interesting, as the sheer number of interesting people here should make up for the difference in one way or another. :laugh: And finally the "question"... Just to warn you, the human mind has always been of interest to me and i tend to think about and analyse the things i see, often regardless of how "unsightly" their nature might be to the avarage person. Even if it hadn't helped me better understand the myself and those around me, at the very least it keeps me from getting bored ;). One of the things that i've seen and kinda taken note of, is that many people that have S&M tendencies and tend to have gender disassociation/alternate sexuality, often have suffered sexual abuse as children. To be more precise, i've noticed that if there's any two of these "traits" present, there's something of a 70% chance of the third being present as well, regardless of which i'm aware of at first. While i realize that there's many people out there that have either one of these traits alone and not even a hint of others, i still notice that they often come up together, and i've wondered for some time as to which one is the "chicken" and which is the "egg", and which typically appears first. And i do realize that with this thread i risk getting cast into hell by certain Soapbox ideologues, but i've decided it's worth the risk really...they don't own this place on Sundays, while they are somewhere else ;P Roswell :)
"Angelinos -- excuse me. There will be civility today."
Antonio VillaRaigosa
City Mayor, Los Angeles, CARoswellNX wrote:
i've noticed that if there's any two of these "traits" present, there's something of a 70% chance of the third being present as well
Data? Or are you just throwing out numbers? Without the date you're just another person with an opionion. I think as far as people into "alternative sexuality" as you call it being into B&D, they're just more open an not afraid to go public with it. Once you've come out of the closet and declared yourself gay, what's a little fetish activity to admit to?
To introduce faith christianity must destroy reason, to introduce salvation it must destroy happiness.
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Although this may come off as a bit of a disreputable question/topic, i've intended this to be approached as a more scientific discussion, if that is at all possible here, with the resident Soapboxians being used to the current scope of topics, which i believe needs to be given some rest, as they've become a little too stale. I remember quite fondly the psych-ology/iatry discussions that have been a staple of a forum i've used to call me "home" three or four years ago, until the place had broken up and i left along with many others. One of the members the discussions revolved around was actually studying for his PhD in Psychology which made conversations like this much more interesting. I doubt we have anyone like that here, but that shouldn't make this any less interesting, as the sheer number of interesting people here should make up for the difference in one way or another. :laugh: And finally the "question"... Just to warn you, the human mind has always been of interest to me and i tend to think about and analyse the things i see, often regardless of how "unsightly" their nature might be to the avarage person. Even if it hadn't helped me better understand the myself and those around me, at the very least it keeps me from getting bored ;). One of the things that i've seen and kinda taken note of, is that many people that have S&M tendencies and tend to have gender disassociation/alternate sexuality, often have suffered sexual abuse as children. To be more precise, i've noticed that if there's any two of these "traits" present, there's something of a 70% chance of the third being present as well, regardless of which i'm aware of at first. While i realize that there's many people out there that have either one of these traits alone and not even a hint of others, i still notice that they often come up together, and i've wondered for some time as to which one is the "chicken" and which is the "egg", and which typically appears first. And i do realize that with this thread i risk getting cast into hell by certain Soapbox ideologues, but i've decided it's worth the risk really...they don't own this place on Sundays, while they are somewhere else ;P Roswell :)
"Angelinos -- excuse me. There will be civility today."
Antonio VillaRaigosa
City Mayor, Los Angeles, CAYou said you was going to post your picture on your profile but you haven't.
Word, write letters and sh*t yo. It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird. Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings. The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. Everyone needs believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer.
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RoswellNX wrote:
i've noticed that if there's any two of these "traits" present, there's something of a 70% chance of the third being present as well
Data? Or are you just throwing out numbers? Without the date you're just another person with an opionion. I think as far as people into "alternative sexuality" as you call it being into B&D, they're just more open an not afraid to go public with it. Once you've come out of the closet and declared yourself gay, what's a little fetish activity to admit to?
To introduce faith christianity must destroy reason, to introduce salvation it must destroy happiness.
Tim Craig wrote:
Data? Or are you just throwing out numbers? Without the date you're just another person with an opionion. I think as far as people into "alternative sexuality" as you call it being into B&D, they're just more open an not afraid to go public with it. Once you've come out of the closet and declared yourself gay, what's a little fetish activity to admit to?
Data, although i admit i can't give a very objective answer based on people i know of, since they are in no way the average population. As far as the "alternative sexuality" and S&M, i'm talking about the two as separate things. The first, along with gender disassociation being as sort of a psychological "gender" profile. I see a person's gender as three different things, 1) genetic/physical gender, 2) gender of the person't mind (psychological), and 3) sexual orientation. So a person't gender can be any odd combination of the three. When i referred to S&M, that is no longer a part of their "gender", but more related to their sexuality, which may or may not relate to the abuse. What i'm saying is that an avarage person will not have S&M tendencies without some sort of an event to trigger it while their mind it still forming. An average person growing up in a sheltered lifestyle will not normally have those tendencies or enjoy such behavior. Roswell
"Angelinos -- excuse me. There will be civility today."
Antonio VillaRaigosa
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Tim Craig wrote:
Data? Or are you just throwing out numbers? Without the date you're just another person with an opionion. I think as far as people into "alternative sexuality" as you call it being into B&D, they're just more open an not afraid to go public with it. Once you've come out of the closet and declared yourself gay, what's a little fetish activity to admit to?
Data, although i admit i can't give a very objective answer based on people i know of, since they are in no way the average population. As far as the "alternative sexuality" and S&M, i'm talking about the two as separate things. The first, along with gender disassociation being as sort of a psychological "gender" profile. I see a person's gender as three different things, 1) genetic/physical gender, 2) gender of the person't mind (psychological), and 3) sexual orientation. So a person't gender can be any odd combination of the three. When i referred to S&M, that is no longer a part of their "gender", but more related to their sexuality, which may or may not relate to the abuse. What i'm saying is that an avarage person will not have S&M tendencies without some sort of an event to trigger it while their mind it still forming. An average person growing up in a sheltered lifestyle will not normally have those tendencies or enjoy such behavior. Roswell
"Angelinos -- excuse me. There will be civility today."
Antonio VillaRaigosa
City Mayor, Los Angeles, CARoswellNX wrote:
What i'm saying is that an avarage person will not have S&M tendencies without some sort of an event to trigger it while their mind it still forming. An average person growing up in a sheltered lifestyle will not normally have those tendencies or enjoy such behavior.
If you're saying that's an absolute requirement, I can personally refute it. And it's much too prevalent to attribute all of it to some kind of abuse. I have heard of a number of submissive women who have been in abusive relationships as adults say that a D/s relationship is cathartic to them and helps them get over it. However, I suspect that those cases are a bit more complex.
To introduce faith christianity must destroy reason, to introduce salvation it must destroy happiness.
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You said you was going to post your picture on your profile but you haven't.
Word, write letters and sh*t yo. It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird. Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings. The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. Everyone needs believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer.
CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
You said you was going to post your picture on your profile but you haven't.
Been busy, just got back today (see my post in the lounge.) But i will. I just need to get some sleep to get a profile pic that'll look decent. I mean right now think Amy Winehouse on a bad day...translucent skin, rat's nest hair. That's pretty much what i look like right now. Roswell
"Angelinos -- excuse me. There will be civility today."
Antonio VillaRaigosa
City Mayor, Los Angeles, CA -
Although this may come off as a bit of a disreputable question/topic, i've intended this to be approached as a more scientific discussion, if that is at all possible here, with the resident Soapboxians being used to the current scope of topics, which i believe needs to be given some rest, as they've become a little too stale. I remember quite fondly the psych-ology/iatry discussions that have been a staple of a forum i've used to call me "home" three or four years ago, until the place had broken up and i left along with many others. One of the members the discussions revolved around was actually studying for his PhD in Psychology which made conversations like this much more interesting. I doubt we have anyone like that here, but that shouldn't make this any less interesting, as the sheer number of interesting people here should make up for the difference in one way or another. :laugh: And finally the "question"... Just to warn you, the human mind has always been of interest to me and i tend to think about and analyse the things i see, often regardless of how "unsightly" their nature might be to the avarage person. Even if it hadn't helped me better understand the myself and those around me, at the very least it keeps me from getting bored ;). One of the things that i've seen and kinda taken note of, is that many people that have S&M tendencies and tend to have gender disassociation/alternate sexuality, often have suffered sexual abuse as children. To be more precise, i've noticed that if there's any two of these "traits" present, there's something of a 70% chance of the third being present as well, regardless of which i'm aware of at first. While i realize that there's many people out there that have either one of these traits alone and not even a hint of others, i still notice that they often come up together, and i've wondered for some time as to which one is the "chicken" and which is the "egg", and which typically appears first. And i do realize that with this thread i risk getting cast into hell by certain Soapbox ideologues, but i've decided it's worth the risk really...they don't own this place on Sundays, while they are somewhere else ;P Roswell :)
"Angelinos -- excuse me. There will be civility today."
Antonio VillaRaigosa
City Mayor, Los Angeles, CARoswellNX wrote:
To be more precise, i've noticed that if there's any two of these "traits" present, there's something of a 70% chance of the third being present as well, regardless of which i'm aware of at first.
Proof? The worst thing about the internet is 'instant experts' On the other hand, Munchausen's Syndrome by proxy is proven...
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Although this may come off as a bit of a disreputable question/topic, i've intended this to be approached as a more scientific discussion, if that is at all possible here, with the resident Soapboxians being used to the current scope of topics, which i believe needs to be given some rest, as they've become a little too stale. I remember quite fondly the psych-ology/iatry discussions that have been a staple of a forum i've used to call me "home" three or four years ago, until the place had broken up and i left along with many others. One of the members the discussions revolved around was actually studying for his PhD in Psychology which made conversations like this much more interesting. I doubt we have anyone like that here, but that shouldn't make this any less interesting, as the sheer number of interesting people here should make up for the difference in one way or another. :laugh: And finally the "question"... Just to warn you, the human mind has always been of interest to me and i tend to think about and analyse the things i see, often regardless of how "unsightly" their nature might be to the avarage person. Even if it hadn't helped me better understand the myself and those around me, at the very least it keeps me from getting bored ;). One of the things that i've seen and kinda taken note of, is that many people that have S&M tendencies and tend to have gender disassociation/alternate sexuality, often have suffered sexual abuse as children. To be more precise, i've noticed that if there's any two of these "traits" present, there's something of a 70% chance of the third being present as well, regardless of which i'm aware of at first. While i realize that there's many people out there that have either one of these traits alone and not even a hint of others, i still notice that they often come up together, and i've wondered for some time as to which one is the "chicken" and which is the "egg", and which typically appears first. And i do realize that with this thread i risk getting cast into hell by certain Soapbox ideologues, but i've decided it's worth the risk really...they don't own this place on Sundays, while they are somewhere else ;P Roswell :)
"Angelinos -- excuse me. There will be civility today."
Antonio VillaRaigosa
City Mayor, Los Angeles, CAI'm not sure to understand what you mean, however I think that too often we underestimate the importance of what we 'learned' as children in our social behavior. Also, I notice that it's difficult if not dangerous to make generalities about human behavior. I think everyone is unique at least by his/her history, and for a consequence there can be many causes.
RoswellNX wrote:
which one is the "chicken" and which is the "egg", and which typically appears firs
I noticed that psychological traits are often 'transmitted' from one generation to another, not through genetics but through education. And it continues again and again, as long as one realizes what does happen and decides to take care about it and stops to propagate this string of misfortune. That is, till we would be able to correct the bugs in our minds and neuro-sciences learn us how to apply the corresponding Service Pack :)
When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?
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I'm not sure to understand what you mean, however I think that too often we underestimate the importance of what we 'learned' as children in our social behavior. Also, I notice that it's difficult if not dangerous to make generalities about human behavior. I think everyone is unique at least by his/her history, and for a consequence there can be many causes.
RoswellNX wrote:
which one is the "chicken" and which is the "egg", and which typically appears firs
I noticed that psychological traits are often 'transmitted' from one generation to another, not through genetics but through education. And it continues again and again, as long as one realizes what does happen and decides to take care about it and stops to propagate this string of misfortune. That is, till we would be able to correct the bugs in our minds and neuro-sciences learn us how to apply the corresponding Service Pack :)
When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?
K(arl) wrote:
I noticed that psychological traits are often 'transmitted' from one generation to another,
There's even been a "gullibality gene" proposed to facilitate this. The presumption is that offspring should blindly follow their parents dictates on learned behavior since in many areas experimentation to determine the results of behavior can be disasterous. If such a gene exists, it probably predates humans, since certainly a large number of animals need to educate their young. How to hunt. What's dangerous. What to eat.
To introduce faith christianity must destroy reason, to introduce salvation it must destroy happiness.
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Hey Kyle! How's it been? And regarding that minute, haven't you spent hundreds of hours over the last four years just trolling? So that minute shouldn't be an issue. ;P I've spent more than that (~20 minutes altogether) writing this, trying to wrap a somewhat warped topic into a post that won't have everyone giving me a weird look, even though there's still room for it to be interpreted that way... Roswell
"Angelinos -- excuse me. There will be civility today."
Antonio VillaRaigosa
City Mayor, Los Angeles, CARoswellNX wrote:
I've spent more than that (~20 minutes altogether) writing this, trying to wrap a somewhat warped topic into a post that won't have everyone giving me a weird look, even though there's still room for it to be interpreted that way...
But one does have to wonder where you got your data from. If you made it up or guessed at it maybe you should send your little treatise to a creation science university. They love people who make up data.
Happy birthday baby Jesus! Please don't burn us all in hell forever.
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RoswellNX wrote:
I've spent more than that (~20 minutes altogether) writing this, trying to wrap a somewhat warped topic into a post that won't have everyone giving me a weird look, even though there's still room for it to be interpreted that way...
But one does have to wonder where you got your data from. If you made it up or guessed at it maybe you should send your little treatise to a creation science university. They love people who make up data.
Happy birthday baby Jesus! Please don't burn us all in hell forever.
Demon Possessed wrote:
But one does have to wonder where you got your data from.
That was my next question but she seems to have let the thread die. So many questions, did they tell her about their sexual predilections and abuse or did she observe and draw conclusions? How many instances are we talking? How did this come up in polite conversation? :suss: Inquiring minds want to know. :laugh:
To introduce faith christianity must destroy reason, to introduce salvation it must destroy happiness.
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Although this may come off as a bit of a disreputable question/topic, i've intended this to be approached as a more scientific discussion, if that is at all possible here, with the resident Soapboxians being used to the current scope of topics, which i believe needs to be given some rest, as they've become a little too stale. I remember quite fondly the psych-ology/iatry discussions that have been a staple of a forum i've used to call me "home" three or four years ago, until the place had broken up and i left along with many others. One of the members the discussions revolved around was actually studying for his PhD in Psychology which made conversations like this much more interesting. I doubt we have anyone like that here, but that shouldn't make this any less interesting, as the sheer number of interesting people here should make up for the difference in one way or another. :laugh: And finally the "question"... Just to warn you, the human mind has always been of interest to me and i tend to think about and analyse the things i see, often regardless of how "unsightly" their nature might be to the avarage person. Even if it hadn't helped me better understand the myself and those around me, at the very least it keeps me from getting bored ;). One of the things that i've seen and kinda taken note of, is that many people that have S&M tendencies and tend to have gender disassociation/alternate sexuality, often have suffered sexual abuse as children. To be more precise, i've noticed that if there's any two of these "traits" present, there's something of a 70% chance of the third being present as well, regardless of which i'm aware of at first. While i realize that there's many people out there that have either one of these traits alone and not even a hint of others, i still notice that they often come up together, and i've wondered for some time as to which one is the "chicken" and which is the "egg", and which typically appears first. And i do realize that with this thread i risk getting cast into hell by certain Soapbox ideologues, but i've decided it's worth the risk really...they don't own this place on Sundays, while they are somewhere else ;P Roswell :)
"Angelinos -- excuse me. There will be civility today."
Antonio VillaRaigosa
City Mayor, Los Angeles, CAI've no idea whether by "gender disassociation/alternate sexuality" you include transexual people (I'm not familiar with your terminology - do you include gender dysphoria, or just mean genderqueer etc.?) Either way, the only abuse I've suffered in my life was from my ex, and that was mostly emotional in nature. My childhood was OK, albeit rather unbalanced, looking back on it. Of the people I've encountered who are into S&M (I'm not, FWIW - the whole domination/submission thing just doesn't appeal to me) and I know well enough I've not noticed any pattern of abuse (I don't know any genderqueer people, so I can't comment on them). Self esteem can be another matter, though (I encounter a lot of vulnerable people as part of my work with the TS-UK support group, so I've a pretty good idea what to look for). What are you basing your data on, BTW? I'm curious. :rolleyes: (On that note, I'm off to bed. See ya in the morning).
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K(arl) wrote:
I noticed that psychological traits are often 'transmitted' from one generation to another,
There's even been a "gullibality gene" proposed to facilitate this. The presumption is that offspring should blindly follow their parents dictates on learned behavior since in many areas experimentation to determine the results of behavior can be disasterous. If such a gene exists, it probably predates humans, since certainly a large number of animals need to educate their young. How to hunt. What's dangerous. What to eat.
To introduce faith christianity must destroy reason, to introduce salvation it must destroy happiness.
Isn't this theory some kind of Lamarckism[^]? :~
When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?
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Isn't this theory some kind of Lamarckism[^]? :~
When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?
K(arl) wrote:
Isn't this theory some kind of Lamarckism
"Lamarckism or Lamarckian evolution refers to the once widely accepted idea that an organism can pass on characteristics that it acquired during its lifetime to its offspring " I guess that depends on how you want to describe "characteristic". I interpret it to be more of a physcial attribute while what I was talking about refers more to passing on a body of knowledge. I suppose you could compare what I suggested animals do to the human oral tradition of passing knowledge before the advent of writing. However, it is now pretty solidy established that the genome changes throughout one's life depending on conditions. These changes aren't in the base pairs of nucleotides that make up the rungs of the DNA ladder and make up what is traditionally considered the genetic code but chemical changes on the supporting stucture of the helix which can control the expression of genes. Check out epigenetics[^]. These changes can affect the offspring for a number of generations without a "mutation".
To introduce faith christianity must destroy reason, to introduce salvation it must destroy happiness.