News Corp stock falling because of Ron Paul decision?
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BoneSoft wrote:
Short of holding an election to determine who gets to be in the election, it's a decent gauge of who has a shot and therefore who is worth spending time to listen to.
No, it isn't. Are you seriously saying that the front-runners in presidential election campaigns are worth listening to? Heck, most of the time, i'd rather listen to the weather channel than subject my ears to the dross pouring from the pie*****-holes on those clowns... It's bad enough we'll have to put up with one of them as President for at least four years. Read their positions and voting history on the 'Net and leave it at that - they'll only lie to you if you let them.
BoneSoft wrote:
Just trying to push the point that you would exclude content that though might be interesting, ultimately would not really be constructive for your purposes.
I wouldn't. That's probably why i'm not running Fox. Ok, there are probably lots of better reasons why i'm not in the entertainment industry, but my penchant for long, boring conversations as a form of amusement would definitely disqualify me should all the rest fall away.
BoneSoft wrote:
But I can see a point to excluding those who really don't have a chance.
See, i think that's where we differ: in my view, he doesn't have a chance because we've convinced ourselves that voting for people who don't have a chance is a wasted vote - therefore, we say we'll vote for the popular politician who most closely matches our views. Of course, this just makes them seem even more popular, and dilutes the value of both polls and elections. It's a positive feedback system, amplifying and distorting the true wishes of the nation. In your view, this means you should swim with a strong current; in mine, it means navigation is ultimately impossible, and swimming just makes you tired and frustrated. Yeah, that was a heck of a mixed metaphor. Obviously, i'm getting tired and frustrated. ;P *pie is a rather old word, originally referring to the magpie bird which is known for its habit of collecting shiny (but usually worthless) objects.
Shog9 wrote:
Are you seriously saying that the front-runners in presidential election campaigns are worth listening to?
Touche, but I meant relative to the weaker candidates.
Shog9 wrote:
in my view, he doesn't have a chance because we've convinced ourselves that voting for people who don't have a chance is a wasted vote - therefore, we say we'll vote for the popular politician who most closely matches our views. Of course, this just makes them seem even more popular, and dilutes the value of both polls and elections.
True. However, some of that is driven by the fear of losing to the other side. Personally, I'm scared because there are so many running that are in the forefront. I'm afraid that there won't be a good candidate to all get behind, the vote will be spread across them, and the other side will have a candidate with a stronger base. Which is a valid fear. But as you rightly point out, that doesn't necessarily get us the best candidate. I dunno, we'll see how it all pans out. But I won't vote for somebody I can't support. I may have to vote for somebody I doubt will win and curl up in the fetal position to watch the election unfold. Personally, on stance alone, Duncan Hunter looks the best to me. And I have no doubts that there's no way in hell he's got a shot.
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Shog9 wrote:
Are you seriously saying that the front-runners in presidential election campaigns are worth listening to?
Touche, but I meant relative to the weaker candidates.
Shog9 wrote:
in my view, he doesn't have a chance because we've convinced ourselves that voting for people who don't have a chance is a wasted vote - therefore, we say we'll vote for the popular politician who most closely matches our views. Of course, this just makes them seem even more popular, and dilutes the value of both polls and elections.
True. However, some of that is driven by the fear of losing to the other side. Personally, I'm scared because there are so many running that are in the forefront. I'm afraid that there won't be a good candidate to all get behind, the vote will be spread across them, and the other side will have a candidate with a stronger base. Which is a valid fear. But as you rightly point out, that doesn't necessarily get us the best candidate. I dunno, we'll see how it all pans out. But I won't vote for somebody I can't support. I may have to vote for somebody I doubt will win and curl up in the fetal position to watch the election unfold. Personally, on stance alone, Duncan Hunter looks the best to me. And I have no doubts that there's no way in hell he's got a shot.
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BoneSoft wrote:
Touche, but I meant relative to the weaker candidates.
Well, honestly, it's the long-shots that seem most willing to go out on a limb / speak their mind, if for no reason other than to keep their niche supporters happy. That's why i think it'd be interesting to get more of them involved in the debates - they might be more willing than the rest to draw out the major candidates. Probably not... but, we sure aren't getting anything without 'em.
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Is he hte only candidate being excluded, or are all the wannabes with single digit poll numbers being told to take a hike as well? Only inviting the candidates with a realistic chance of winning is SOP to keep total numbers reasonable and to avoid wasting everyones time.
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dan neely wrote:
Only inviting the candidates with a realistic chance of winning is SOP to keep total numbers reasonable and to avoid wasting everyones time.
Absolutely. I'm not certain whether or not people commenting on this are aware that this is NOT a debate, it is a round table discussion. Fox not only included Ron Paul in prir debates but they also included Alan Keyes, who, while possibly more intelligient than Ron Paul, polls even lower. I say, hurrah to news Corp. I like the way they do business and feel like the availability of honest information obtained via the media has been dramtically enhanced since they dethroned CNN and MSNBC.
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modified on Thursday, January 03, 2008 7:41:21 PM
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Is he hte only candidate being excluded, or are all the wannabes with single digit poll numbers being told to take a hike as well? Only inviting the candidates with a realistic chance of winning is SOP to keep total numbers reasonable and to avoid wasting everyones time.
Otherwise [Microsoft is] toast in the long term no matter how much money they've got. They would be already if the Linux community didn't have it's head so firmly up it's own command line buffer that it looks like taking 15 years to find the desktop. -- Matthew Faithfull
dan neely wrote:
Only inviting the candidates with a realistic chance of winning
At this moment, there aren't any in the Republican party, with perhaps the exception of Huckabee, who just won the Republican caucus in Iowa. Paul is polling higher than Giuliani and McCain - so why should he be excluded?
It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein
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dan neely wrote:
Only inviting the candidates with a realistic chance of winning
At this moment, there aren't any in the Republican party, with perhaps the exception of Huckabee, who just won the Republican caucus in Iowa. Paul is polling higher than Giuliani and McCain - so why should he be excluded?
It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein
Nationally Paul is at 4% vs 20% for Guilliani and 17% for McCain. He isn't polling better than 4th in any state according to these numbers. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/republican_primaries.html[^]
Otherwise [Microsoft is] toast in the long term no matter how much money they've got. They would be already if the Linux community didn't have it's head so firmly up it's own command line buffer that it looks like taking 15 years to find the desktop. -- Matthew Faithfull
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Really? Than why do we have such tremendously more vast and diverse media resources than ever in history? I would say capitalism is serving social needs far more effectively than any other possible method one could imagine.
The only conspiracies that concern me are the ones I am completely unaware of. By the time I find out about it, its probably a done deal. Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hypocrisy is no morality at all. Freedom is not something you express with your genitals, it is something you express with your mind.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Really? Than why do we have such tremendously more vast and diverse media resources than ever in history? I would say capitalism is serving social needs far more effectively than any other possible method one could imagine.
I wasn't talking about media resources. But go ahead and keep building those straw men that make your arguments sound good, it's largely the reason I don't respond to your posts anymore.
It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
utterly dispicable manipulation of the democratic process both in the UK and the US.
Agreed. "Fair and balanced"... "We report, you decide." Both utter bullshit. When you refuse to let a voice speak with whom you disagree, neither of those slogans is in the least bit accurate.
It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein
So a bunch of people vote me down and don't even bother to point out what might be illogical about my statement? Oh, right, that's because my statement is perfectly reasonable, you're just a bunch of damn sheep who refuse to think unless Fox tells you to jump. Pathetic.
It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Really? Than why do we have such tremendously more vast and diverse media resources than ever in history? I would say capitalism is serving social needs far more effectively than any other possible method one could imagine.
I wasn't talking about media resources. But go ahead and keep building those straw men that make your arguments sound good, it's largely the reason I don't respond to your posts anymore.
It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein
What? You initiate a thread relating the media and politics, and then bring capitalism into it, and me making a comment about that content is a strawman? I don't think so...
The only conspiracies that concern me are the ones I am completely unaware of. By the time I find out about it, its probably a done deal. Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hypocrisy is no morality at all. Freedom is not something you express with your genitals, it is something you express with your mind.
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Did you ever consider how long and tedious it would be to give every single individual that wanted to be president their say in the debates? :rolleyes: Poles are a good indicator.
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BoneSoft wrote:
Poles are a good indicator.
In the US, is this anything like the polls they have in the rest of the world?
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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BoneSoft wrote:
Poles are a good indicator.
In the US, is this anything like the polls they have in the rest of the world?
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
No, in the US they tend to be flag poles in people's backyards. They are a good indicator of the kind of person living there...
"What am I in the eyes of most people, a nonentity, an eccentric, or an unpleasant person--somebody who has no position in society and will never have; in short, the lowest of the low. All right, then--even if that were absolutely true, then I should one day like to show by my work what such an eccentric, such a nobody, has in his heart."
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So a bunch of people vote me down and don't even bother to point out what might be illogical about my statement? Oh, right, that's because my statement is perfectly reasonable, you're just a bunch of damn sheep who refuse to think unless Fox tells you to jump. Pathetic.
It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein
The voting is "fair and balanced"...
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