You can't beat the BBC for documentaries
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I think that Wikipedia is overall more accurate than all that is written in this forum.
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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AndyKEnZ wrote:
Perhaps you should watch the documentaries before making comment.
I read the precis in Wiki. Is it not accurate?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
I read the precis in Wiki. Is it not accurate?
Yes it is generally, but it's such a complex issue it's better to form your opinions on the source material. Hey I got marked a 1 for suggesting these award winning BBC documentaries, much the same happened when I recommended "The Century of the Self", very odd, some poor misguided sole argh soul without an opinion I suppose, frightened of what they do not know.
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Perhaps, but short of watching the documentaries, which I cant, its all I have to go on. (Actually, Wiki is quite accurate IMO)
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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I think that Wikipedia is overall more accurate than all that is written in this forum.
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_Nightmares[^] The Power of Nightmares, subtitled The Rise of the Politics of Fear, is a BBC documentary film series, written and produced by Adam Curtis. The series consists of three one-hour films, consisting mostly of a montage of archive footage with Curtis's narration, which were first broadcast in the United Kingdom in late 2004 and have been subsequently aired in multiple countries and shown in several film festivals, including the 2005 Cannes Film Festival. The films compare the rise of the American Neo-Conservative movement and the radical Islamist movement, making comparisons on their origins and noting strong similarities between the two. More controversially, it argues that the threat of radical Islamism as a massive, sinister organised force of destruction, specifically in the form of al-Qaeda, is in fact a myth perpetrated by politicians in many countries—and particularly American Neo-Conservatives—in an attempt to unite and inspire their people following the failure of earlier, more utopian ideologies. PS I advise watching "The Century of the Self" first, when you've a quiet four hours :) As of January 1, 2008, the film has yet to be aired in the United States. Curtis has commented on this failure: “ Something extraordinary has happened to American TV since September 11. A head of the leading networks who had better remain nameless said to me that there was no way they could show it. He said, 'Who are you to say this?' and then he added, 'We would get slaughtered if we put this out.' When I was in New York I took a DVD to the head of documentaries at HBO. I still haven't heard from him.[6]
Yet another leftist islamist-apologist beating his breast over how unfair it is that muslims are treated differently to christians. Well, heads up, they are different. The biggest single threat facing our western society is islam and it isn't terrorism we should be worried about... it's the birth rate. We just don't learn and whilst we have left leaning governments more worried about appeasing muslims than upholding the rule of law then not only will nothing change, it will get worse year by year until the (UK) is just another muslim country ruled by sharia law, like a 14th century feudal society.
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Yet another leftist islamist-apologist beating his breast over how unfair it is that muslims are treated differently to christians. Well, heads up, they are different. The biggest single threat facing our western society is islam and it isn't terrorism we should be worried about... it's the birth rate. We just don't learn and whilst we have left leaning governments more worried about appeasing muslims than upholding the rule of law then not only will nothing change, it will get worse year by year until the (UK) is just another muslim country ruled by sharia law, like a 14th century feudal society.
Yet another stupid comment made by someone who hasn't seen the documentaries ;P
digital man wrote:
Well, heads up, they are different.
They may have a different religion but they're still Homo Sapiens. Many are quite normal you know.
digital man wrote:
The biggest single threat facing our western society is islam and it isn't terrorism we should be worried about... it's the birth rate.
Another one successfully terrorised by the press.
digital man wrote:
we have left leaning governments more worried about appeasing muslims than upholding the rule of law
Left-leaning, which country do you live in, certainly not the UK.
digital man wrote:
it will get worse year by year until the (UK) is just another muslim country ruled by sharia law, like a 14th century feudal society.
Hilarious. Hey won't the Polish immigrants level things out?
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Yet another stupid comment made by someone who hasn't seen the documentaries ;P
digital man wrote:
Well, heads up, they are different.
They may have a different religion but they're still Homo Sapiens. Many are quite normal you know.
digital man wrote:
The biggest single threat facing our western society is islam and it isn't terrorism we should be worried about... it's the birth rate.
Another one successfully terrorised by the press.
digital man wrote:
we have left leaning governments more worried about appeasing muslims than upholding the rule of law
Left-leaning, which country do you live in, certainly not the UK.
digital man wrote:
it will get worse year by year until the (UK) is just another muslim country ruled by sharia law, like a 14th century feudal society.
Hilarious. Hey won't the Polish immigrants level things out?
AndyKEnZ wrote:
Yet another stupid comment made by someone who hasn't seen the documentaries
And you know this how? Are you telepathetic?
AndyKEnZ wrote:
They may have a different religion but they're still Homo Sapiens. Many are quite normal you know.
In short, no they are not like us or there would not be a problem.
AndyKEnZ wrote:
Another one successfully terrorised by the press.
So you don't think that the muslim birth rate is higher than that of the indiginous population? BTW, I am not 'terrorised' by the press since I'm not impressed by or believe that 'terrorism' is the threat, long term.
AndyKEnZ wrote:
Left-leaning, which country do you live in, certainly not the UK.
Huh? So Labour isn't a socialist party? And Gordon Bean isn't a died in the wool socialist with old labour leanings. Which planet do you actually reside on? That is certainly the UK most of us see and that is, in fact, how it is.
AndyKEnZ wrote:
Hilarious. Hey won't the Polish immigrants level things out?
I'm glad you find it funny. And no, the Poles won't. They'll stay awhile, send all the money they make ahome and then leave when the standard of living in Poland rises to a decent level fuelled by EU 'grants' and UK taxpayers money.
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Do you have stats? Or did you just get that from the Colbert Report on elephant populations?
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Yet another stupid comment made by someone who hasn't seen the documentaries ;P
digital man wrote:
Well, heads up, they are different.
They may have a different religion but they're still Homo Sapiens. Many are quite normal you know.
digital man wrote:
The biggest single threat facing our western society is islam and it isn't terrorism we should be worried about... it's the birth rate.
Another one successfully terrorised by the press.
digital man wrote:
we have left leaning governments more worried about appeasing muslims than upholding the rule of law
Left-leaning, which country do you live in, certainly not the UK.
digital man wrote:
it will get worse year by year until the (UK) is just another muslim country ruled by sharia law, like a 14th century feudal society.
Hilarious. Hey won't the Polish immigrants level things out?
AndyKEnZ wrote:
Yet another stupid comment made by someone who hasn't seen the documentaries
Umm, yeah... Because everybody knows those documentaries are the world's leading authority on the subject. Without falling for them hook, line and sinker, we have no idea what we're talking about. Even Muslims can't tell you anything about Islam without watching them. Thank God Allah somebody found the answer, now we can make the world all peachy. :rolleyes:
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Yet another leftist islamist-apologist beating his breast over how unfair it is that muslims are treated differently to christians. Well, heads up, they are different. The biggest single threat facing our western society is islam and it isn't terrorism we should be worried about... it's the birth rate. We just don't learn and whilst we have left leaning governments more worried about appeasing muslims than upholding the rule of law then not only will nothing change, it will get worse year by year until the (UK) is just another muslim country ruled by sharia law, like a 14th century feudal society.
I have to correct you. It isnt Islam that is a threat, it is Islamicism, the hardened, distorted Islam used as an excuse for murder. Islam itsel;f isnt a threat, OK, we will see cultural issues when we have a large population of Muslims in the west, but that tension isnt driven by religion, its driven by culture. And, in the long run it will probably even out. Look at the issues with black immigration in the 50's and 60's (they were christians too) and yet now we do have a racially harmonious (black - white) society. What Islam must do is police tself of these hard core psychos. If it doesnt it will be seen as a threat, and treated as such.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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I have to correct you. It isnt Islam that is a threat, it is Islamicism, the hardened, distorted Islam used as an excuse for murder. Islam itsel;f isnt a threat, OK, we will see cultural issues when we have a large population of Muslims in the west, but that tension isnt driven by religion, its driven by culture. And, in the long run it will probably even out. Look at the issues with black immigration in the 50's and 60's (they were christians too) and yet now we do have a racially harmonious (black - white) society. What Islam must do is police tself of these hard core psychos. If it doesnt it will be seen as a threat, and treated as such.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_Nightmares[^] The Power of Nightmares, subtitled The Rise of the Politics of Fear, is a BBC documentary film series, written and produced by Adam Curtis. The series consists of three one-hour films, consisting mostly of a montage of archive footage with Curtis's narration, which were first broadcast in the United Kingdom in late 2004 and have been subsequently aired in multiple countries and shown in several film festivals, including the 2005 Cannes Film Festival. The films compare the rise of the American Neo-Conservative movement and the radical Islamist movement, making comparisons on their origins and noting strong similarities between the two. More controversially, it argues that the threat of radical Islamism as a massive, sinister organised force of destruction, specifically in the form of al-Qaeda, is in fact a myth perpetrated by politicians in many countries—and particularly American Neo-Conservatives—in an attempt to unite and inspire their people following the failure of earlier, more utopian ideologies. PS I advise watching "The Century of the Self" first, when you've a quiet four hours :) As of January 1, 2008, the film has yet to be aired in the United States. Curtis has commented on this failure: “ Something extraordinary has happened to American TV since September 11. A head of the leading networks who had better remain nameless said to me that there was no way they could show it. He said, 'Who are you to say this?' and then he added, 'We would get slaughtered if we put this out.' When I was in New York I took a DVD to the head of documentaries at HBO. I still haven't heard from him.[6]
If only the Beeb didn't always slant their "documentaries" to the extent that they are indistinguishable from propaganda.
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If only the Beeb didn't always slant their "documentaries" to the extent that they are indistinguishable from propaganda.
Rob Graham wrote:
Re: You can't beat the BBC for documentaries with a political agenda. If only the Beeb didn't always slant their "documentaries" to the extent that they are indistinguishable from propaganda.
Really? So do you believe that there is such a thing as a "fair and balanced" view? I don't mind when someone tries to push their agenda or world view on me. I only mind if they do it dumbly. And the BBC documentaries are most of times inteligent.
Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.
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Rob Graham wrote:
Re: You can't beat the BBC for documentaries with a political agenda. If only the Beeb didn't always slant their "documentaries" to the extent that they are indistinguishable from propaganda.
Really? So do you believe that there is such a thing as a "fair and balanced" view? I don't mind when someone tries to push their agenda or world view on me. I only mind if they do it dumbly. And the BBC documentaries are most of times inteligent.
Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.
Diego Moita wrote:
And the BBC documentaries are most of times inteligent.
Really? It wouldn't have anything to do with their unsuported attacks on the U.S. fitting in with your preconceptions about the Yanquis, would it?
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Rob Graham wrote:
Re: You can't beat the BBC for documentaries with a political agenda. If only the Beeb didn't always slant their "documentaries" to the extent that they are indistinguishable from propaganda.
Really? So do you believe that there is such a thing as a "fair and balanced" view? I don't mind when someone tries to push their agenda or world view on me. I only mind if they do it dumbly. And the BBC documentaries are most of times inteligent.
Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_Nightmares[^] The Power of Nightmares, subtitled The Rise of the Politics of Fear, is a BBC documentary film series, written and produced by Adam Curtis. The series consists of three one-hour films, consisting mostly of a montage of archive footage with Curtis's narration, which were first broadcast in the United Kingdom in late 2004 and have been subsequently aired in multiple countries and shown in several film festivals, including the 2005 Cannes Film Festival. The films compare the rise of the American Neo-Conservative movement and the radical Islamist movement, making comparisons on their origins and noting strong similarities between the two. More controversially, it argues that the threat of radical Islamism as a massive, sinister organised force of destruction, specifically in the form of al-Qaeda, is in fact a myth perpetrated by politicians in many countries—and particularly American Neo-Conservatives—in an attempt to unite and inspire their people following the failure of earlier, more utopian ideologies. PS I advise watching "The Century of the Self" first, when you've a quiet four hours :) As of January 1, 2008, the film has yet to be aired in the United States. Curtis has commented on this failure: “ Something extraordinary has happened to American TV since September 11. A head of the leading networks who had better remain nameless said to me that there was no way they could show it. He said, 'Who are you to say this?' and then he added, 'We would get slaughtered if we put this out.' When I was in New York I took a DVD to the head of documentaries at HBO. I still haven't heard from him.[6]
AndyKEnZ wrote:
As of January 1, 2008, the film has yet to be aired in the United States
Ahh, but that bastion of enlightment, al-Jazeera, has broadcast in its entirety to the world. http://film.guardian.co.uk/cannes2005/story/0,15927,1481970,00.html And it was followed by a live interview with the producer/director/narrator. What more could any wussyboy want?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_Nightmares[^] The Power of Nightmares, subtitled The Rise of the Politics of Fear, is a BBC documentary film series, written and produced by Adam Curtis. The series consists of three one-hour films, consisting mostly of a montage of archive footage with Curtis's narration, which were first broadcast in the United Kingdom in late 2004 and have been subsequently aired in multiple countries and shown in several film festivals, including the 2005 Cannes Film Festival. The films compare the rise of the American Neo-Conservative movement and the radical Islamist movement, making comparisons on their origins and noting strong similarities between the two. More controversially, it argues that the threat of radical Islamism as a massive, sinister organised force of destruction, specifically in the form of al-Qaeda, is in fact a myth perpetrated by politicians in many countries—and particularly American Neo-Conservatives—in an attempt to unite and inspire their people following the failure of earlier, more utopian ideologies. PS I advise watching "The Century of the Self" first, when you've a quiet four hours :) As of January 1, 2008, the film has yet to be aired in the United States. Curtis has commented on this failure: “ Something extraordinary has happened to American TV since September 11. A head of the leading networks who had better remain nameless said to me that there was no way they could show it. He said, 'Who are you to say this?' and then he added, 'We would get slaughtered if we put this out.' When I was in New York I took a DVD to the head of documentaries at HBO. I still haven't heard from him.[6]
They need to do a documentary on a the rise of post soviet, socialism in Europe and America and how it leverages environmental and social issues to increase state control of those societies. Perhaps contrast it with the former soviet union style of communism.
MrPlankton
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They need to do a documentary on a the rise of post soviet, socialism in Europe and America and how it leverages environmental and social issues to increase state control of those societies. Perhaps contrast it with the former soviet union style of communism.
MrPlankton
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Diego Moita wrote:
And the BBC documentaries are most of times inteligent.
Really? It wouldn't have anything to do with their unsuported attacks on the U.S. fitting in with your preconceptions about the Yanquis, would it?
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