What kind of drugs are these people on? [modified]
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BTW, I work with a few people who have spent considerable time living in Europe (mainly Indians) and they routinely assure me how much they prefer living in the US to living in Europe both for social and economic reasons. I can't validate that personnally, still...
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Stan Shannon wrote:
I work with a few people who have spent considerable time living in Europe (mainly Indians)
Which proves that 3 Indian SW engineers choose the US because of social (no racism) and ecconomic (possibly higher wages). Tell me, is their SW any good?
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fat_boy wrote:
If there were no govt there would be no govt mental policy. No man on the moon, no atellites, no roads, no trains, no planes. If we all existed as standalone folks in our little empires then that is exactly what we would have.
NO one is advocating 'no government'. We are advocatig minimal government. Man on the moon is a perfect example of how stupid bureaucracic managment is. Obviously government is needed to ensure transportations systems, for example, comply with easily established standards. As far as atheletics are concerned, I think it could be argued that there was more atheleticism, and music, and other culture in our society before the era of big government than afterwards.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Man on the moon is a perfect example of how stupid bureaucracic managment
And yet it stimulated a technological revoloution from which I believe, YOU directly benefit.
Stan Shannon wrote:
As far as atheletics are concerned, I think it could be argued that there was more atheleticism, and music, and other culture in our society before the era of big government than afterwards.
That kind of thing is pretty minimal. Nice to have, but not earth shaking.
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Tis is an emotionally difficult issue, but, how did Roosavelt get the US out of recession in the 30's? By govt spending on public projects. Print the dollars and build dams and roads. Of corse the war, with its massive govt expenditure is what put the final nail in the recession of the 30's. So, is this very much diffrent? Wouldnt you rather see 14 billion pumped into the lowest level of society than see it pumped into the higher levels trough, say, arms expenditure in the Iraq war? (And backahanders to Halliburton and asorted expenditure in Iraq).
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All of which proves nothing except that there was no reason at all for a depression of any kind. The economy was prepared for a complete rebound all through the '30s and was prevented from doing so only by the purposeful policies of the federal government to prevent it. One might forgive the feds initial screw ups in the 1929-1933 time frame, but to continue those policies when they were so clearly misquided was a criminal act of incompetnece at the least, and at the worst an overt attempt to turn US society into something it was never intended to be - a european social welfare state. The ease with which the US ramped up for WWII proves more than anything the latent wealth and industrial capacity that was being actively suppressed by Roosevelt's administration for his own purposes in wrenching American society from Jefferson's grasp and handing it over to Karl Marx.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
I work with a few people who have spent considerable time living in Europe (mainly Indians)
Which proves that 3 Indian SW engineers choose the US because of social (no racism) and ecconomic (possibly higher wages). Tell me, is their SW any good?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
Tell me, is their SW any good?
Who am I to judge? :rolleyes:
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fat_boy wrote:
Tell me, is their SW any good?
Who am I to judge? :rolleyes:
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PS, I know 4 Indians that work in Europe; Anyway, IO have heard from quite a few that Indian SW is a bit crap. Vista being a good example of such crappiness. In fact, Vista is such a monumentall testiment to crappiness it beggars belief that it could actually be concieved as an improvement over XP! WTF? Even 2K was better then XP!
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Tis is an emotionally difficult issue, but, how did Roosavelt get the US out of recession in the 30's? By govt spending on public projects. Print the dollars and build dams and roads. Of corse the war, with its massive govt expenditure is what put the final nail in the recession of the 30's. So, is this very much diffrent? Wouldnt you rather see 14 billion pumped into the lowest level of society than see it pumped into the higher levels trough, say, arms expenditure in the Iraq war? (And backahanders to Halliburton and asorted expenditure in Iraq).
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Building projects are completely different from giving free beer money away to people who mostly don't want to work. Building projects employ people to build something useful for everybody. Nobody benifits from lower class freebees except the lower class, and that's only short term and minimal. There's no comparison there.
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PS, I know 4 Indians that work in Europe; Anyway, IO have heard from quite a few that Indian SW is a bit crap. Vista being a good example of such crappiness. In fact, Vista is such a monumentall testiment to crappiness it beggars belief that it could actually be concieved as an improvement over XP! WTF? Even 2K was better then XP!
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
I'll drink to that. I'd still be using 2K if it would run all my games. As for Indians... Just like anybody else, there are a few good ones and a boat load of crappy ones. I think there is just greater expectation from India since every person born there since 1970 is in the software biz.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
What kind of drugs are these people on?
Money?
Stan Shannon wrote:
will just be an excuse for people to set on their butts for an extra three to six months contributing no productivity to the economy while absorbing a substantial portion of the productivity of others
Is that envy, Stan? :D
Stan Shannon wrote:
let them get off their godddamned lazy asses and figure out something they can do for me that might make me want to give them some of my money in exchange
Do you want to invest in my pitchfork-sharpening and torch-oiling business? I understand your rage, but lat time I checked your economy did not suffer from "not enough lazy bums dragged to work". And if you really think that's your money, why do you use little pieces of paper guarantueed to be legal tender by a commie treasurer and his secretary?
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And if you really think that's your money, why do you use little pieces of paper guarantueed to be legal tender by a commie treasurer and his secretary?
Because if the government let me keep it, I could take it to any store and trade it for goodies. Pretty simple.
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Rob Graham wrote:
and it was really WWII that pulled us out.
Isn't that "pulling out" just massive public spending going into private weapon factories? How is that economically different from: 1. give everyone money to buy a new big TV 2. Make the TV blow up after Superbowl 3. Blame it on the Germans Please explain where I go wrong:
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blog: TDD - the Aha! | Linkify!| FoldWithUs! | sighistpeterchen wrote:
Isn't that "pulling out" just massive public spending going into private weapon factories? How is that economically different from: 1. give everyone money to buy a new big TV 2. Make the TV blow up after Superbowl 3. Blame it on the Germans Please explain where I go wrong:
You got it 100% right.
John Carson
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peterchen wrote:
And if you really think that's your money, why do you use little pieces of paper guarantueed to be legal tender by a commie treasurer and his secretary?
Because if the government let me keep it, I could take it to any store and trade it for goodies. Pretty simple.
Try code model generation tools at BoneSoft.com.
You *do* know how money works, right?
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Building projects are completely different from giving free beer money away to people who mostly don't want to work. Building projects employ people to build something useful for everybody. Nobody benifits from lower class freebees except the lower class, and that's only short term and minimal. There's no comparison there.
Try code model generation tools at BoneSoft.com.
BoneSoft wrote:
Building projects are completely different from giving free beer money away to people who mostly don't want to work
Except that beer money goes to bar owners, staff, breweries, truck drivers, glass manufacturers, fuel companies, bar outfitting companies, etc etc etc. That money just fuels theeconomie, and putting it in at the lowest level could well bemore efective than putting it in at a higher level.
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You *do* know how money works, right?
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Economy 101 must be different where you live.
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Better or the same at least. The US isnt so great you know. In many respects it looks pretty backwards to us. Design, fashion, dress sense for one.
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fat_boy wrote:
In many respects it looks pretty backwards to us. Design, fashion, dress sense for one.
Maybe I am just an old hippy. I am at the office today wearing a old faded pair of safari shorts, a LLBean tee shirt, and a pair of tennis shoes with no socks ( It is warm today in Dallas ). I am perfectly comfortable - not worried about dress sense or fashion. Going to the dogs I guess. Decadent Just read where the Navy is testing a rail gun that can/will shoot a 5" projectile 200 miles. Read some great articles over the weekend about advances in battery design using nanotubes and hydrogen production and storage. That is the fuel for the second half of this century and most of the primary research is being done in the US. The US has problems - transient in nature but still problems. However keeping up with Europe is not one of them. Just as a quick example our stock market has a hiccup and Europe damn near chokes. In all the emerging tech fields I do believe the the US has an advantage. Could be wrong but that is to be decided probably after I am dead and gone - it won't be decided by debate. However I am reminded of the saying "We have met the enemy and he is us". We may just throw it all away in a storm of PC and revert to living in caves wearing synthetic fur. But I bet that our caves will be superior to the European caves :) Richard
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Economy 101 must be different where you live.
We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
blog: TDD - the Aha! | Linkify!| FoldWithUs! | sighistYou're missing the point. It doesn't matter how it works. It currently does work and I want my little pieces of paper. When it doesn't work anymore, I'll want my gold. But in any event, I want mine.
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You're missing the point. It doesn't matter how it works. It currently does work and I want my little pieces of paper. When it doesn't work anymore, I'll want my gold. But in any event, I want mine.
Try code model generation tools at BoneSoft.com.
BoneSoft wrote:
It doesn't matter how it works. It currently does work and I want my little pieces of paper.
So this is a glorified "I don't care, give me my money?"
BoneSoft wrote:
I'll want my gold.
Is there any major country that could actually cover for it's liquid cash with gold or other assets?
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