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    Patrick Etc
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    I got it: The greatest troll ever has returned. Capable of twisting any argument, circling any logic, evading any question and yet people to hold onto his every word... Red Stateler = Ilion. Suddenly the universe makes sense.


    It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein

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      I got it: The greatest troll ever has returned. Capable of twisting any argument, circling any logic, evading any question and yet people to hold onto his every word... Red Stateler = Ilion. Suddenly the universe makes sense.


      It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein

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      Chris Austin
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      Hard to say.......it is a pretty similar style of calling everybody who disagreed an idiot. Of course, it seems that has become an unfortunate trend.

      A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long

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        I got it: The greatest troll ever has returned. Capable of twisting any argument, circling any logic, evading any question and yet people to hold onto his every word... Red Stateler = Ilion. Suddenly the universe makes sense.


        It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein

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        73Zeppelin
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        Sadly, no. But you'll be pleasantly surprised: even Red hated the ShitHead with a passion. It was the sole thing Stateler and I agreed upon - the ShitHead has the mental capacity of mud (which isn't surprising since he is apparently the son of an indentured servant).


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          I got it: The greatest troll ever has returned. Capable of twisting any argument, circling any logic, evading any question and yet people to hold onto his every word... Red Stateler = Ilion. Suddenly the universe makes sense.


          It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein

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          Lost User
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          I thought the same too, but, I believe that Ilidiot is in a league of his own compared to d-espeir.

          Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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            Sadly, no. But you'll be pleasantly surprised: even Red hated the ShitHead with a passion. It was the sole thing Stateler and I agreed upon - the ShitHead has the mental capacity of mud (which isn't surprising since he is apparently the son of an indentured servant).


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            Patrick Etc
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            Hm perhaps you are correct. :~


            It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein

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              I got it: The greatest troll ever has returned. Capable of twisting any argument, circling any logic, evading any question and yet people to hold onto his every word... Red Stateler = Ilion. Suddenly the universe makes sense.


              It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein

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              Andy Brummer
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              Since you are brining it up, I'll make one comment. I thought the same thing because early espier had a similar style to this guy, but Red would never ever say he wasn't Catholic. It doesn't keep them from being twins separated at birth though.

              The difference between pH 13 and pH 8 is five, which meant that pH 13 was ten to the fifth power - a hundred thousand times - more alkaline than pH 8. That kind of thing goes on all the time. But no matter how many diplomas are tacked to your wall, give people a figure like that and they'll pass you off as a flake. You can't get most people to believe how wildly the eco-laws get broken. But if I say "More than twice the legal limit," they get comfortably outraged. - Neal Stephenson

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                Since you are brining it up, I'll make one comment. I thought the same thing because early espier had a similar style to this guy, but Red would never ever say he wasn't Catholic. It doesn't keep them from being twins separated at birth though.

                The difference between pH 13 and pH 8 is five, which meant that pH 13 was ten to the fifth power - a hundred thousand times - more alkaline than pH 8. That kind of thing goes on all the time. But no matter how many diplomas are tacked to your wall, give people a figure like that and they'll pass you off as a flake. You can't get most people to believe how wildly the eco-laws get broken. But if I say "More than twice the legal limit," they get comfortably outraged. - Neal Stephenson

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                Ilion
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                that your "vow" was pretty empty.

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                  Hard to say.......it is a pretty similar style of calling everybody who disagreed an idiot. Of course, it seems that has become an unfortunate trend.

                  A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long

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                  Ilion
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                  Chris Austin wrote:

                  it is a pretty similar style of calling everybody who disagreed an idiot. Of course, it seems that has become an unfortunate trend.

                  You people are simply amazing! You (plural) project *your* faults onto me ... often in the very same posts in which you are displaying those faults. I criticize your (plural) refusal to *think* It is you people who equate disagreement with your beliefs (most of which are false, anyway) with idiocy.

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                    I got it: The greatest troll ever has returned. Capable of twisting any argument, circling any logic, evading any question and yet people to hold onto his every word... Red Stateler = Ilion. Suddenly the universe makes sense.


                    It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein

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                    Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                    No no no no. Red Stateler is 50% leg pulling and 50% idiocy. Ilidiot is pure and unadulterated idiocy. I think Red is the product of his environment. Ilidiot stupidity is in his genetic makeup.

                    -- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit

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                      Chris Austin wrote:

                      it is a pretty similar style of calling everybody who disagreed an idiot. Of course, it seems that has become an unfortunate trend.

                      You people are simply amazing! You (plural) project *your* faults onto me ... often in the very same posts in which you are displaying those faults. I criticize your (plural) refusal to *think* It is you people who equate disagreement with your beliefs (most of which are false, anyway) with idiocy.

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                      BoneSoft
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                      +9 points of gibberish. Do you really believe that it's everybody else on the planet that's wrong? That you're God's gift to logic and reason? Delusions of grandeur...


                      Try code model generation tools at BoneSoft.com.

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                        I got it: The greatest troll ever has returned. Capable of twisting any argument, circling any logic, evading any question and yet people to hold onto his every word... Red Stateler = Ilion. Suddenly the universe makes sense.


                        It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein

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                        BoneSoft
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                        I guess Red buggered off before I ventured into the SoapBox void. I never saw any of his posts. But if they are not the same and are similar, then it disturbs me that something Iliot-like can happen twice. :~


                        Try code model generation tools at BoneSoft.com.

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                          I got it: The greatest troll ever has returned. Capable of twisting any argument, circling any logic, evading any question and yet people to hold onto his every word... Red Stateler = Ilion. Suddenly the universe makes sense.


                          It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein

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                          Stan Shannon
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                          I always found Red to be very astute in his observations. Ilion can occassionally make some valid points, more frequently than the leftist horde here does, but he does represent a facton of conservatism that does the movement a great deal of harm. His reasoning, in fact, is very similar to that generally associated with the left, his conclusions are merely different.

                          Please excuse my refusal to participate in the suicide of western civilization

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                            I always found Red to be very astute in his observations. Ilion can occassionally make some valid points, more frequently than the leftist horde here does, but he does represent a facton of conservatism that does the movement a great deal of harm. His reasoning, in fact, is very similar to that generally associated with the left, his conclusions are merely different.

                            Please excuse my refusal to participate in the suicide of western civilization

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                            Ilion
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                            You're so amusing. The fact is that my reasoning is always sound (it's a life-long habit) and I make it a point to be conservative (by which I don't mean in a political sense) in my claims. You just don't like some of the conclusions I express. The problem (from your point of view) is that all your attemps to refute them rely upon question-begging. Same as your leftist buddies here ... who are, of course, going to fall all over themselves in admiration for you now and in the future. :rolleyes:

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                              You're so amusing. The fact is that my reasoning is always sound (it's a life-long habit) and I make it a point to be conservative (by which I don't mean in a political sense) in my claims. You just don't like some of the conclusions I express. The problem (from your point of view) is that all your attemps to refute them rely upon question-begging. Same as your leftist buddies here ... who are, of course, going to fall all over themselves in admiration for you now and in the future. :rolleyes:

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                              And correct. :doh:


                              Try code model generation tools at BoneSoft.com.

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                                I always found Red to be very astute in his observations. Ilion can occassionally make some valid points, more frequently than the leftist horde here does, but he does represent a facton of conservatism that does the movement a great deal of harm. His reasoning, in fact, is very similar to that generally associated with the left, his conclusions are merely different.

                                Please excuse my refusal to participate in the suicide of western civilization

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                                Ilion
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                                Stan Shannon wrote:

                                His reasoning, in fact, is very similar to that generally associated with the left, his conclusions are merely different.

                                Tell you what, Stan, in the future (because *I* will not be any different than I am today), why don't you point this out when it happens (not that it ever will). Using only reason and logic, of course. Because, after all, if my conclusions are the result of faulty reasoning ... and your opposing conclusions are the result of sound reasoning ... you will be able to express this without begging the question.

                                Stan Shannon wrote:

                                but he does represent a facton of conservatism that does the movement a great deal of harm.

                                I don't give a fig for "the movement." But, in fact, what you *really* mean is than I am one of those terrible, terrible people whose ideas stand in the way of the ideas of fine, upstanding persons such as yourself defining what it means to be "conservative." Apparently, people like me are supposed to shut up ... but be sure to turn out on election day.

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                                  You're so amusing. The fact is that my reasoning is always sound (it's a life-long habit) and I make it a point to be conservative (by which I don't mean in a political sense) in my claims. You just don't like some of the conclusions I express. The problem (from your point of view) is that all your attemps to refute them rely upon question-begging. Same as your leftist buddies here ... who are, of course, going to fall all over themselves in admiration for you now and in the future. :rolleyes:

                                  modified on Monday, February 04, 2008 5:28:05 PM

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                                  Ilíon wrote:

                                  who are, of course, going to fall all over themselves in admiration for you now and in the future.

                                  Actually, I think they view me as a greater threat than they do you to their core principles precisely because I do agree with them on the fundamental accomplishments of the age of reason. The only real difference between them and I is that I believe the age of reason ended in about 1791 or so (with the end of the American Revolutionary period), and they believe it ended over a century later (with the rise of liberation theory and the collapse of international western imperical hegemony,etc). I think that the intellectual battles of the 19th century represent a reversal of reason and are at least partially repsonsible for the rise of the modern "religious right" which you, I assume by reading between the lines, represent. You and I share the same enemy but for starkly different reasons. If there was not such a dangerous threat from secular humanism and Islam, I would consider you the primary threat to my civilization.

                                  Please excuse my refusal to participate in the suicide of western civilization

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                                    I always found Red to be very astute in his observations. Ilion can occassionally make some valid points, more frequently than the leftist horde here does, but he does represent a facton of conservatism that does the movement a great deal of harm. His reasoning, in fact, is very similar to that generally associated with the left, his conclusions are merely different.

                                    Please excuse my refusal to participate in the suicide of western civilization

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                                    Patrick Etc
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                                    Stan Shannon wrote:

                                    I always found Red to be very astute in his observations.

                                    I'll admit the number of times I actually enjoyed with/agreed with his posts is not zero. Quite a few, really. To say "always" though seems to suggest some kind of confirmation bias...

                                    Stan Shannon wrote:

                                    Ilion can occassionally make some valid points

                                    :wtf:

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                                    more frequently than the leftist horde here does

                                    When someone doesn't make any points, I don't see how this is possible...

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                                    His reasoning, in fact

                                    Wouldn't that suggest some attempt to have a conversation? :doh: :)


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                                      No no no no. Red Stateler is 50% leg pulling and 50% idiocy. Ilidiot is pure and unadulterated idiocy. I think Red is the product of his environment. Ilidiot stupidity is in his genetic makeup.

                                      -- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit

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                                      Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:

                                      Ilidiot stupidity is in his genetic makeup.

                                      From the horse's mouth [^]

                                      Ilíon wrote:

                                      I am the son of a share-cropper who had a total of 19 months of formal education in back-woods Missouri

                                      I'll make no further remarks about his astounding capabilities.

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                                        Stan Shannon wrote:

                                        His reasoning, in fact, is very similar to that generally associated with the left, his conclusions are merely different.

                                        Tell you what, Stan, in the future (because *I* will not be any different than I am today), why don't you point this out when it happens (not that it ever will). Using only reason and logic, of course. Because, after all, if my conclusions are the result of faulty reasoning ... and your opposing conclusions are the result of sound reasoning ... you will be able to express this without begging the question.

                                        Stan Shannon wrote:

                                        but he does represent a facton of conservatism that does the movement a great deal of harm.

                                        I don't give a fig for "the movement." But, in fact, what you *really* mean is than I am one of those terrible, terrible people whose ideas stand in the way of the ideas of fine, upstanding persons such as yourself defining what it means to be "conservative." Apparently, people like me are supposed to shut up ... but be sure to turn out on election day.

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                                        Ilíon wrote:

                                        Tell you what, Stan, in the future (because *I* will not be any different than I am today), why don't you point this out when it happens (not that it ever will).

                                        OK. Although, I think I have on numerous occassions.

                                        Ilíon wrote:

                                        I don't give a fig for "the movement."

                                        I do.

                                        Ilíon wrote:

                                        Apparently, people like me are supposed to shut up ... but be sure to turn out on election day.

                                        No, I consider you to be a guite useful ally. You represent a natural reaction to the rise of secular humanism, which is currently the greatest threat to Jeffersonian democracy.

                                        Please excuse my refusal to participate in the suicide of western civilization

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                                          Chris Austin wrote:

                                          it is a pretty similar style of calling everybody who disagreed an idiot. Of course, it seems that has become an unfortunate trend.

                                          You people are simply amazing! You (plural) project *your* faults onto me ... often in the very same posts in which you are displaying those faults. I criticize your (plural) refusal to *think* It is you people who equate disagreement with your beliefs (most of which are false, anyway) with idiocy.

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                                          Ilíon wrote:

                                          I criticize your (plural) refusal to *think*

                                          If you had any capability to *think*, you would realize what a fool you have made yourself to be and slink off with your tail between your legs.

                                          The world is flat or it isn't, visibility is what it is or it isn't. What the hell does perception have to do with it?!? Do I think they knew that back then? They had eyes didn't they? Moron. - BoneSoft on whether or not the Bible says the earth is flat

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