Irrational Atheists
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Only read the first few sentences ... it's interresting that he calls Musulmans "Mohammedans"; as a direct comparison to Christians instead of Catholics.
Maximilien Lincourt Your Head A Splode - Strong Bad
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Whoa.. the idiot called you an idiot. That's easily worth 20 notches on the IQ scale. :)
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Whoa.. the idiot called you an idiot.
No idiot called him an idiot. However, I demonstated that he is an idiot. Or, at any rate, that he is more than willing to act the idiot. And that's really the same thing, isn't it? If you could think, you'd not constantly find yourself having these problems
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It is rather typical of humanist eliteism to assume that the universe, which has not yet revealed itself to even be understandable to the human mind, is some how obligated to conform to the rationality of Russell. I should think that a truly rational mind would be capable of tolerating the notion that the universe is not so obligated.
Please excuse my refusal to participate in the suicide of western civilization
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AndyKEnZ wrote:
You have either x) not read it or y) completely misunderstood it.
You know, I know, we all know that *you* would never accept this as the response to or refutation of your God-hatred. But then, you people "do" neither logical nor intellectual consistency.
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Whoa.. the idiot called you an idiot.
No idiot called him an idiot. However, I demonstated that he is an idiot. Or, at any rate, that he is more than willing to act the idiot. And that's really the same thing, isn't it? If you could think, you'd not constantly find yourself having these problems
Answer Ravel instead, fool.
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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AndyKEnZ wrote:
You have either x) not read it or y) completely misunderstood it.
You know, I know, we all know that *you* would never accept this as the response to or refutation of your God-hatred. But then, you people "do" neither logical nor intellectual consistency.
Ilíon wrote:
your God-hatred
How can one harbor hatred for something in which one does not believe?
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Answer Ravel instead, fool.
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Answer Ravel instead, fool.
That post is actually funny if you read it in Mr. T's voice. :laugh:
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Ilíon wrote:
your God-hatred
How can one harbor hatred for something in which one does not believe?
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
How can one harbor hatred for something in which one does not believe?
Now, perhaps, you begin to understand why I generally write 'atheist,' rather than atheist (i.e. with the quote marks rahter than without). Clearly, most of the so-called atheists one encounters (and emphatically here at CP) do, in fact, hate God. Look at it this way: I don't believe Ganesh exists. But I'm wholly indifferent to Ganesh. The same cannot be said of our 'atheists' -- they are generally more obsessed with God than are most of the people who claim to believe in God.
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Vincent Reynolds wrote:
How can one harbor hatred for something in which one does not believe?
Now, perhaps, you begin to understand why I generally write 'atheist,' rather than atheist (i.e. with the quote marks rahter than without). Clearly, most of the so-called atheists one encounters (and emphatically here at CP) do, in fact, hate God. Look at it this way: I don't believe Ganesh exists. But I'm wholly indifferent to Ganesh. The same cannot be said of our 'atheists' -- they are generally more obsessed with God than are most of the people who claim to believe in God.
Ilíon wrote:
Clearly, most of the so-called atheists one encounters (and emphatically here at CP) do, in fact, hate God.
I don't think I've ever seen hatred directed toward God. That seems kind of silly. I mean, from their point of view, what has an imaginary being ever done to them? No, I see the antipathy displayed almost exclusively as contempt directed at believers who, again and again, promote their faith as rational, ignoring the fact that, if it were fundamentally supported by rational thought, it would require no faith.
Ilíon wrote:
Look at it this way: I don't believe Ganesh exists. But I'm wholly indifferent to Ganesh. The same cannot be said of our 'atheists' -- they are generally more obsessed with God than are most of the people who claim to believe in God.
I suspect that has somewhat more to do with the fact that no one is trying to encourage your kids to pray to Ganesh in school.
modified on Friday, February 22, 2008 10:14 AM
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The man starts out his foreword by laying *his* cards on the table ... so that they can then be ignored because they are irrelevant to his topic ... and you imagine it's a "Gotcha!" What an absolute idiot you are.
He's basing his arguments on circular reasoning: I expect more of you and if the best you can do to retort is to call me an idiot then I pity any religion that would have you as a member.
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He's basing his arguments on circular reasoning: I expect more of you and if the best you can do to retort is to call me an idiot then I pity any religion that would have you as a member.
Day is not engaging in circular argumentation. Though, he does expose an amazing amount of it coming from the "New Atheiets."
digital man wrote:
if the best you can do to retort is to call me an idiot then I pity any religion that would have you as a member.
Oh! You poor thing! You *act* like an idiot ... would you rather I call you a liar? because, after all, intellectual dishonesty *also* quite well explains the content of your post ... and then want to whine when I point it out?
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J4amieC wrote:
my ADD wont allow me to read all that... is there cliff notes?
Why I Am Not A Christian (Cliff's Notes Version) by Bertrand Russell Christians are stoopid! The End.
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AndyKEnZ wrote:
You have either x) not read it or y) completely misunderstood it.
You know, I know, we all know that *you* would never accept this as the response to or refutation of your God-hatred. But then, you people "do" neither logical nor intellectual consistency.
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Day is not engaging in circular argumentation. Though, he does expose an amazing amount of it coming from the "New Atheiets."
digital man wrote:
if the best you can do to retort is to call me an idiot then I pity any religion that would have you as a member.
Oh! You poor thing! You *act* like an idiot ... would you rather I call you a liar? because, after all, intellectual dishonesty *also* quite well explains the content of your post ... and then want to whine when I point it out?
I tell you what, let's just ignore each other: I thought you were getting rational but you're not. Shame: have a nice life and I hope your god walks with you.
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I tell you what, let's just ignore each other: I thought you were getting rational but you're not. Shame: have a nice life and I hope your god walks with you.
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From the cliff notes It seems I agree with him, Except exchange "christians" for "anyone who actually believes there is an omnipotent being"
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Russell?
AndyKEnZ wrote:
If there is an educated response provide the link and I'll read it.
Right! :rolleyes: Since Russell didn't say anything new, and since you 'atheists' (and quite explicitly your "New Atheism" pretend arguments) still are but recycling Russell, you might try reading the book you can download for free at: The Irrational Atheist[^] This book isn't about converting you to Christianity; it's about demonstrating the vacuousness of the "arguments" you folk like. And, if it make you feel any better, Vox Day has his own irrationality (as do we all) ... he is, or at least thinks he is, a libertarian. Nevertheless, the question you need to face has to do with what you're going to do about *your* irrationality.
Aww poor Ilion, getting so angry and defensive whenever someone talks about atheism. It must be too much for your little mind to bear to think about going through life not believing in a sky-daddy lovingly watching over you, that's the only thing that gives meaning to your pitiful life.
Ilíon wrote:
Nevertheless, the question you need to face has to do with what you're going to do about *your* irrationality.
Haha you're trying as hard as you can and all you manage to come up with are the same empty claims that you have been repeating, almost word for word, for the last several months. :laugh: Jesus must be embarrassed by you if he does exist.
Furthermore, in Galileo's time and for quite some time afterwards, the "scientific evidence" was *against* heliocentrism. - Ilion
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Ilíon wrote:
Clearly, most of the so-called atheists one encounters (and emphatically here at CP) do, in fact, hate God.
I don't think I've ever seen hatred directed toward God. That seems kind of silly. I mean, from their point of view, what has an imaginary being ever done to them? No, I see the antipathy displayed almost exclusively as contempt directed at believers who, again and again, promote their faith as rational, ignoring the fact that, if it were fundamentally supported by rational thought, it would require no faith.
Ilíon wrote:
Look at it this way: I don't believe Ganesh exists. But I'm wholly indifferent to Ganesh. The same cannot be said of our 'atheists' -- they are generally more obsessed with God than are most of the people who claim to believe in God.
I suspect that has somewhat more to do with the fact that no one is trying to encourage your kids to pray to Ganesh in school.
modified on Friday, February 22, 2008 10:14 AM
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
I suspect that has somewhat more to do with the fact that no one is trying to encourage your kids to pray to Ganesh in school.
No offense, but this isn't it and you know it. I'm Catholic, and Christian theology in public life is predominately Protestant. There is much in recent history to support bad blood between our sects, yet I don't get upset at the idea of some sliver of Protestant theology making its way into the lives of kids. Because I know that I can take them to Mass and they forget all about it. A ten-minute talk with your kids, one time, would head all of the attempted religious indoctrination off at the pass. What you're upset about is the implication by religious people that you are lacking. That you are evil. News flash: you probably are lacking and you probably are evil. If you're not, then get over it. Life is too short to worry about whether or not some person you've never met thinks you're going to imaginary Hell.