The Iraq War: Somehow Even Worse than you Thought?
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I was tipped off to this article in The Australian[^] this morning. Here are some choice quotes from Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz: "When the Bush administration went to war in Iraq it obviously didn't focus very much on the cost. Larry Lindsey, the chief economic adviser, said the cost was going to be between $US100billion and $US200 billion - and for that slight moment of quasi-honesty he was fired. "(Then defence secretary Donald) Rumsfeld responded and said 'baloney', and the number the administration came up with was $US50 to $US60 billion. We have calculated that the cost was more like $US3 trillion. "Three trillion is a very conservative number, the true costs are likely to be much larger than that." -------- "The ratio of injuries to fatalities in a normal war is 2:1. In this war they admitted to 7:1 but a true number is (something) like 15:1." What's your favorite Iraq War fun fact? Is it that we could end illiteracy worldwide with just one week's funding, or that there are already 100,000 US Servicepersons with mental problems?
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I was tipped off to this article in The Australian[^] this morning. Here are some choice quotes from Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz: "When the Bush administration went to war in Iraq it obviously didn't focus very much on the cost. Larry Lindsey, the chief economic adviser, said the cost was going to be between $US100billion and $US200 billion - and for that slight moment of quasi-honesty he was fired. "(Then defence secretary Donald) Rumsfeld responded and said 'baloney', and the number the administration came up with was $US50 to $US60 billion. We have calculated that the cost was more like $US3 trillion. "Three trillion is a very conservative number, the true costs are likely to be much larger than that." -------- "The ratio of injuries to fatalities in a normal war is 2:1. In this war they admitted to 7:1 but a true number is (something) like 15:1." What's your favorite Iraq War fun fact? Is it that we could end illiteracy worldwide with just one week's funding, or that there are already 100,000 US Servicepersons with mental problems?
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
"The ratio of injuries to fatalities in a normal war is 2:1. In this war they admitted to 7:1 but a true number is (something) like 15:1."
The fact that battlefield medicine has so greatly improved since the last major war. In nam or prior many of the current WIA would've been KIA.
Otherwise [Microsoft is] toast in the long term no matter how much money they've got. They would be already if the Linux community didn't have it's head so firmly up it's own command line buffer that it looks like taking 15 years to find the desktop. -- Matthew Faithfull
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I was tipped off to this article in The Australian[^] this morning. Here are some choice quotes from Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz: "When the Bush administration went to war in Iraq it obviously didn't focus very much on the cost. Larry Lindsey, the chief economic adviser, said the cost was going to be between $US100billion and $US200 billion - and for that slight moment of quasi-honesty he was fired. "(Then defence secretary Donald) Rumsfeld responded and said 'baloney', and the number the administration came up with was $US50 to $US60 billion. We have calculated that the cost was more like $US3 trillion. "Three trillion is a very conservative number, the true costs are likely to be much larger than that." -------- "The ratio of injuries to fatalities in a normal war is 2:1. In this war they admitted to 7:1 but a true number is (something) like 15:1." What's your favorite Iraq War fun fact? Is it that we could end illiteracy worldwide with just one week's funding, or that there are already 100,000 US Servicepersons with mental problems?
Sadam would have sold the oil wells to the US for 3 trillion. I mean, its a lot of money, and its not like he could sell the oil. If he had sold the Basra region of Iraq to the US it would have been perfect. Sadam gets rid of all those pesky Shia Marsh Arabs that kept revolting, the US gets a massive base right next door to Iran, and it gets all the oil it wants!
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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IamChrisMcCall wrote:
"The ratio of injuries to fatalities in a normal war is 2:1. In this war they admitted to 7:1 but a true number is (something) like 15:1."
The fact that battlefield medicine has so greatly improved since the last major war. In nam or prior many of the current WIA would've been KIA.
Otherwise [Microsoft is] toast in the long term no matter how much money they've got. They would be already if the Linux community didn't have it's head so firmly up it's own command line buffer that it looks like taking 15 years to find the desktop. -- Matthew Faithfull
dan neely wrote:
The fact that battlefield medicine has so greatly improved since the last major war.
Read the article. The wounds are caused by improved body armor combined with the use of IEDs designed to wound. The insurgents know a wounded soldier is even more costly than a dead one, so they try to maim as many of our troops as they can.
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Sadam would have sold the oil wells to the US for 3 trillion. I mean, its a lot of money, and its not like he could sell the oil. If he had sold the Basra region of Iraq to the US it would have been perfect. Sadam gets rid of all those pesky Shia Marsh Arabs that kept revolting, the US gets a massive base right next door to Iran, and it gets all the oil it wants!
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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dan neely wrote:
The fact that battlefield medicine has so greatly improved since the last major war.
Read the article. The wounds are caused by improved body armor combined with the use of IEDs designed to wound. The insurgents know a wounded soldier is even more costly than a dead one, so they try to maim as many of our troops as they can.
Funny, but "Maim the Infidel" isn't what they are shouting over there. :)
Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] Donate to help Conquer Cancer[^]
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I was tipped off to this article in The Australian[^] this morning. Here are some choice quotes from Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz: "When the Bush administration went to war in Iraq it obviously didn't focus very much on the cost. Larry Lindsey, the chief economic adviser, said the cost was going to be between $US100billion and $US200 billion - and for that slight moment of quasi-honesty he was fired. "(Then defence secretary Donald) Rumsfeld responded and said 'baloney', and the number the administration came up with was $US50 to $US60 billion. We have calculated that the cost was more like $US3 trillion. "Three trillion is a very conservative number, the true costs are likely to be much larger than that." -------- "The ratio of injuries to fatalities in a normal war is 2:1. In this war they admitted to 7:1 but a true number is (something) like 15:1." What's your favorite Iraq War fun fact? Is it that we could end illiteracy worldwide with just one week's funding, or that there are already 100,000 US Servicepersons with mental problems?
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
The ratio of injuries to fatalities in a normal war is 2:1.
Once someone uses "normal" and "war" together in a sentence, they've lost all credibility with me.
Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] Donate to help Conquer Cancer[^]
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Sadam would have sold the oil wells to the US for 3 trillion. I mean, its a lot of money, and its not like he could sell the oil. If he had sold the Basra region of Iraq to the US it would have been perfect. Sadam gets rid of all those pesky Shia Marsh Arabs that kept revolting, the US gets a massive base right next door to Iran, and it gets all the oil it wants!
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
If oil had been the primary goal I'm sure somebody would have considered that. The goal was to remove a dictatorial regime that supported terrorists, had a proven track record for using, aquiring and sharing WMDs and related technologies, and refused to let UN inspectors look at what he did have. Buying neighborhood property there wouldn't have solved any of that.
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IamChrisMcCall wrote:
The ratio of injuries to fatalities in a normal war is 2:1.
Once someone uses "normal" and "war" together in a sentence, they've lost all credibility with me.
Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] Donate to help Conquer Cancer[^]
I'm sure this Nobel Prize-winner will mourn his loss of credibility in your eyes. Try substituting the work "typical" and see if it lessens the psychic pain you're experiencing.
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If oil had been the primary goal I'm sure somebody would have considered that. The goal was to remove a dictatorial regime that supported terrorists, had a proven track record for using, aquiring and sharing WMDs and related technologies, and refused to let UN inspectors look at what he did have. Buying neighborhood property there wouldn't have solved any of that.
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BoneSoft wrote:
If oil had been the primary goal[...] The goal was to remove a dictatorial regime that supported terrorists, had a proven track record for using, aquiring and sharing WMDs and related technologies, and refused to let UN inspectors look at what he did have.
Yeah, sure... Santa Claus in person told you that and he would never lie to you, right?
Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.
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Funny, but "Maim the Infidel" isn't what they are shouting over there. :)
Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] Donate to help Conquer Cancer[^]
Means to an end... they're executing the basic tenets of asymmetric warfare. If you know you can't win militarily, you make the victory so costly for the other side that they want to pull out.
It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein
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BoneSoft wrote:
If oil had been the primary goal[...] The goal was to remove a dictatorial regime that supported terrorists, had a proven track record for using, aquiring and sharing WMDs and related technologies, and refused to let UN inspectors look at what he did have.
Yeah, sure... Santa Claus in person told you that and he would never lie to you, right?
Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.
Yeah, sure... And the aliens from planet X who shot JFK told you otherwise, right?
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If oil had been the primary goal I'm sure somebody would have considered that. The goal was to remove a dictatorial regime that supported terrorists, had a proven track record for using, aquiring and sharing WMDs and related technologies, and refused to let UN inspectors look at what he did have. Buying neighborhood property there wouldn't have solved any of that.
Try code model generation tools at BoneSoft.com.
Mission Accomplished! And for only 3 trillion dollars, a bargain at twice the price!
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If oil had been the primary goal I'm sure somebody would have considered that. The goal was to remove a dictatorial regime that supported terrorists, had a proven track record for using, aquiring and sharing WMDs and related technologies, and refused to let UN inspectors look at what he did have. Buying neighborhood property there wouldn't have solved any of that.
Try code model generation tools at BoneSoft.com.
BoneSoft wrote:
The goal was to remove a dictatorial regime that supported terrorists, had a proven track record for using, aquiring and sharing WMDs and related technologies, and refused to let UN inspectors look at what he did have.
Congrats, you learned well your neocons lesson So sad it s a set of lies.
I prefer the company of peasants because they have not been educated sufficiently to reason incorrectly. Fold with us! ¤ flickr
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Mission Accomplished! And for only 3 trillion dollars, a bargain at twice the price!
:zzz:
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I'm sure this Nobel Prize-winner will mourn his loss of credibility in your eyes. Try substituting the work "typical" and see if it lessens the psychic pain you're experiencing.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
Try substituting the work "typical" and
Missed the point. Certain nouns do not require an adjective in order to qualify the use of the noun. War happens to be one of them (at least in my vernacular).
Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] Donate to help Conquer Cancer[^]
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BoneSoft wrote:
The goal was to remove a dictatorial regime that supported terrorists, had a proven track record for using, aquiring and sharing WMDs and related technologies, and refused to let UN inspectors look at what he did have.
Congrats, you learned well your neocons lesson So sad it s a set of lies.
I prefer the company of peasants because they have not been educated sufficiently to reason incorrectly. Fold with us! ¤ flickr
Regime that supported terrorists: fact - Saddam sent money to the families of suicide bobers thus encouraging it. track record for aquiring, using and sharing WMDs - also a fact. refusal to allow UN inspectors to look - Saddam had expelled them It may well be that he had suspended some of the above, but neither US nor NATO intelligence thought so. Nonetheless, they were not "a sad set of lies". Franky, had France not been so duplicitous in the run up to the war, constantly assuring Saddam that the US would never invade alone, he might have relented and allowed the inspectors back in, or even abdicated. Your country has some significant culpability here...
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IamChrisMcCall wrote:
Try substituting the work "typical" and
Missed the point. Certain nouns do not require an adjective in order to qualify the use of the noun. War happens to be one of them (at least in my vernacular).
Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] Donate to help Conquer Cancer[^]
Chris Meech wrote:
Certain nouns do not require an adjective in order to qualify the use of the noun. War happens to be one of them (at least in my vernacular).
They certainly do when you use them twice in one sentence to refer to two different things. The Iraq War is War, so how do you differintiate the two? Why, with an adjective like "typical" or "normal". English lesson over for today, invoice in the mail.
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:zzz:
Hey man you might want to wake up, your President can't get off if you're pretending to be asleep while he bends you over. :)
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Regime that supported terrorists: fact - Saddam sent money to the families of suicide bobers thus encouraging it. track record for aquiring, using and sharing WMDs - also a fact. refusal to allow UN inspectors to look - Saddam had expelled them It may well be that he had suspended some of the above, but neither US nor NATO intelligence thought so. Nonetheless, they were not "a sad set of lies". Franky, had France not been so duplicitous in the run up to the war, constantly assuring Saddam that the US would never invade alone, he might have relented and allowed the inspectors back in, or even abdicated. Your country has some significant culpability here...
Hey look everybody it's someone who still thinks the Iraq War was a good idea! Most of you chickenhawks at least try to backpedal or say we can't get out of it now. We broke it, we bought it or what-have-you. It's rare to see a real died-in-the-wool sheep this late in the game. I guess there's some pride in being the last person to realize something.