Getting an american Visa.
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Diego Moita wrote:
You know, I've taken lightheartedly many insults against my country by some Americans (oakman, despeir, etc). All of them much worse than what I say.
You've never forgiven me for proving that your country didn't do squat in WWII, have you. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Oakman wrote:
You've never forgiven me for proving that your country didn't do squat in WWII, have you.
Forgive? I didn't even remember that! As I said before, the dogs bark and the caravan goes on. Oh, BTW, what did you say about it?
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Your taking part of what I said out of context. I don't pretend that, I already told it. What I was referring to with "this involves dealing with the consequences, this is one" is the fact that people prefer going to work to the US than Tombouctou. Not that I should be waiting for American Airlines picking me up when I want. But yes I pretend at least that you allow me come, stay some time to look for an appartment, re arrange my life, etc, and seek for a job at the same time. I don't have to explain how hard it will be to find one from outside right? And then what, where do I sleep? I don't know the city, do you understand what I pretend? Just some time, don't treat me as a dominican coming to enter a gang or anything you may be imaginating. How is that fair to me that you put me in the situation of getting all the risks? You have to cooperate a little, because if I don't quit and boom around as you say but I work hard and better (hypotetical before I get flamed..) it is good for your country. So what's fair? Do you think it's fair in those conditions that my Visa depends almost directly on my employer? And another thing, I know 1 person in those circunstamces, they get the salary they should get, and then, under the table she HAVE to return some cash to the employer so he doesn't fire her. It may seem to you that I pretend more than I do, but it seems to me that you idealise more than you should. But thanks for the comment.
_Zorro_ wrote:
Your taking part of what I said out of context.
I read a lot of what you wrote, and responded with my impression of it. If my impression is wrong, then there's a pretty good chance you're not communicating your point effectively.
_Zorro_ wrote:
What I was referring to with "this involves dealing with the consequences, this is one" is the fact that people prefer going to work to the US than Tombouctou.
So what? If more people prefer to work for Google than SCO, will you call Google racist for not hiring all applicants? It's supply and demand, my friend - where demand exceeds supply, then the suppliers get to be more choosy.
_Zorro_ wrote:
But yes I pretend at least that you allow me come, stay some time to look for an appartment, re arrange my life, etc, and seek for a job at the same time. I don't have to explain how hard it will be to find one from outside right? And then what, where do I sleep? I don't know the city, do you understand what I pretend? Just some time, don't treat me as a dominican coming to enter a gang or anything you may be imaginating.
The same situation applies to me if i want to work somewhere that i don't live. I have to pay my way there, pay for lodgings, pay local taxes, etc., comply with local laws and regulations, and spend time and effort looking for work, all without any guarantee that i'll find work. If i wanted to work abroad, i'd have additional regulations to comply with and fees to pay before i'd even get the chance; that's just the nature of the beast.
_Zorro_ wrote:
Do you think it's fair in those conditions that my Visa depends almost directly on my employer?
You can come over on a travel/vacation visa. You can't work, though i suppose you could learn about the area where you wanted to work, familiarize yourself with employers, etc. But you seem rather stuck on H1B visas. Most anyone here can tell you, they're a mess all around - for the employee, they're put at the mercy of an unscrupulous employer in a very unsatisfactory way, while native coworkers may find that they've had their pay or jobs cut to favor cheaper and more easily controlled immigrants. You think it sucks shouldering the risk of traveling to the US - how about paying your way through school only to find that local employers won't hire you because they've decide
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Diego Moita wrote: But, why do you want to go to the United States? There are so many better options. For example: only countries that speak espanhol can choose Australia, Canada and England all options better than the U.S. I do not think that the E.U. Is a good choice: the economy is in crisis, the difficulties of immigration are many and there is a lot of racism.
By which you mean it's harder getting on the welfare rolls in the US and EU?
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Oakman wrote:
By which you mean it's harder getting on the welfare rolls in the US and EU?
No. Choose better translation engines.
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MrPlankton wrote:
* Once across the border get a job. Good chance you don't need papers if your fee is low enough. Heck you can even vote!
How can you vote without citizenship? Why are you making a parallelism of that with a professional? It's like you tell me, I want to go to your country to work, I'm an architect and I answer yeah, come in, you can sell drugs here. So far, all I get is resistence.
_Zorro_ wrote:
How can you vote without citizenship?
That's a damn good question. I'd kinda like to know the answer to that one myself. Another good one, is why are people arguing about whether or not it's illegal to be an illegal immigrant? That one's perplexed me for the last few months.
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I just sort of criticized illegal and massive immigration so I don't get your comment. I want to go to work, as you, as others, not less, who knows, maybe more. Instead of an advice on how to proceed, what I get are just patriotic comments like "The entrace to the us is a privilege" "obligation on our part", that's cool, it doesn't really help, and it sounds racist. I think it's all about what reality you live in. Anyway, thanks for your comment!
_Zorro_ wrote:
and it sounds racist
When I'm being racist, there won't be any "sounds" about it. Meanwhile here's your clue: The U.S. is not obligated to give a shit whether you want to go to work or not. You don't pay taxes here. You aren't a citizen. And you don't deserve any special consideration.
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Oakman wrote:
You've never forgiven me for proving that your country didn't do squat in WWII, have you.
Forgive? I didn't even remember that! As I said before, the dogs bark and the caravan goes on. Oh, BTW, what did you say about it?
Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.
Diego Moita wrote:
I didn't even remember that
Riiiight! You say you remembered all my insults - just not the only time we ever had any major interaction. You are hilarious. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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_Zorro_ wrote:
How can you vote without citizenship?
That's a damn good question. I'd kinda like to know the answer to that one myself. Another good one, is why are people arguing about whether or not it's illegal to be an illegal immigrant? That one's perplexed me for the last few months.
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BoneSoft wrote:
That's a damn good question. I'd kinda like to know the answer to that one myself.
Hey, having the dead vote is a good old Democratic tradition - why not the illegals, too? (Note: Capital D as in political party)
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Hello, I just called the american embassy to ask what I need to get a Visa (don't know exactly which one, H1B I think), and they told me the only way I could get a Visa is by actually having a employer filling some forms which is a sort of promise that he will hire me without even having met me, this is ridiculous, isnt't it? Further more I read that the visa duration depends directly on your works, meaning that if you get fired, usa kicks you out, quite convenient if it is true. My question is is this true? Is this the only way to work in the USA for foreigners? If it is it's ironic because it's like saying yeah, we accept legal immigration but in the real world it is almost impossible, who will hire a person without even meet? You have to be insane... Anyway, I wondered if any of you knew a way I could go to the USA legally and seek for a job once there. Maybe because I work in the IT field it could be easier than if I was a sausage dealer. Thanks in advance.
Rather than directing your anger at the US, look at other countries where you want to work and see if obtaining a working visa there is any easier. If if it is then go there, otherwise ask yourself why all these countries are acting much the same?
Peter "Until the invention of the computer, the machine gun was the device that enabled humans to make the most mistakes in the smallest amount of time."
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The U.S. is a free and open society. We welcome citizens from around the world who genuinely want to visit, study, and do business here. It's like a joke... so I have to pay to fly to the US, hoping to get a job, return to my country while they issue the visa (I suppose the don't do it in the same day, and I can't wait without doing anything) and then I will be asking myself, when will I have to leave depending on which jobs I get or not and on my employer. It's like they do it on purpose so almost no one can go there. Or should I be an illegal immigrant as they all hate... This is frustrating, Thanks!
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Diego Moita wrote:
I didn't even remember that
Riiiight! You say you remembered all my insults - just not the only time we ever had any major interaction. You are hilarious. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Oakman wrote:
You say you remembered all my insults
No, not all. I just remember you said some generic bullshit about slavery in my country. No, I don't remember the details. Sorry for not giving to you the same detailed attention you have for me. ;P
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_Zorro_ wrote:
Your taking part of what I said out of context.
I read a lot of what you wrote, and responded with my impression of it. If my impression is wrong, then there's a pretty good chance you're not communicating your point effectively.
_Zorro_ wrote:
What I was referring to with "this involves dealing with the consequences, this is one" is the fact that people prefer going to work to the US than Tombouctou.
So what? If more people prefer to work for Google than SCO, will you call Google racist for not hiring all applicants? It's supply and demand, my friend - where demand exceeds supply, then the suppliers get to be more choosy.
_Zorro_ wrote:
But yes I pretend at least that you allow me come, stay some time to look for an appartment, re arrange my life, etc, and seek for a job at the same time. I don't have to explain how hard it will be to find one from outside right? And then what, where do I sleep? I don't know the city, do you understand what I pretend? Just some time, don't treat me as a dominican coming to enter a gang or anything you may be imaginating.
The same situation applies to me if i want to work somewhere that i don't live. I have to pay my way there, pay for lodgings, pay local taxes, etc., comply with local laws and regulations, and spend time and effort looking for work, all without any guarantee that i'll find work. If i wanted to work abroad, i'd have additional regulations to comply with and fees to pay before i'd even get the chance; that's just the nature of the beast.
_Zorro_ wrote:
Do you think it's fair in those conditions that my Visa depends almost directly on my employer?
You can come over on a travel/vacation visa. You can't work, though i suppose you could learn about the area where you wanted to work, familiarize yourself with employers, etc. But you seem rather stuck on H1B visas. Most anyone here can tell you, they're a mess all around - for the employee, they're put at the mercy of an unscrupulous employer in a very unsatisfactory way, while native coworkers may find that they've had their pay or jobs cut to favor cheaper and more easily controlled immigrants. You think it sucks shouldering the risk of traveling to the US - how about paying your way through school only to find that local employers won't hire you because they've decide
I won't quote every paragraph because to be honnest you are quite right. It may that I let my feelings interfere with this whole conversation, I just didn't get the attitude I tought I'd get and I got a little frustrated. Theres just one thing, I'm stuck on H1B visas because on my first post I asked if it was the only way, no one said it wasen't, so I suppose it is. And yes, I know that working with a H1B visa is sometimes a slave job.
Shog9 wrote:
Here's what i don't understand: you seem miffed at the US immigration policy, yet apparently don't have much of an idea of what you'd want to do here, much less who you'd want to work for. So why is that? I can tell you honestly that, not only am i largely unaware of Uruguay's immigration policies, i'm not even particularly concerned about them. If someone there was offering me work, or i had family i wished to visit who might find work for me, i would take a greater interest... but in the absence of those two scenarios, i can't imagine why i'd care. Yet your situation, which seems to be rather comparable to mine, inspires no end of bitterness in you. What is the purpose of this anger?
Actually I said what I'd want to do in the US, does that includes the company too? I may be seeking for technologies for example and not the company, right? It's unfair to make that comparation, you would never come here (As I said before, I came here, so this is not my country), and it's easy for you to say it beeing on the other side. Why would you compare your situation to mine when you don't know mine? Did you emigrated to the US? And it's not anger, there are too sides, I don't want to expand this discution I already did it too much, but I suspect that you have to be on the other side to understand it. Anyway.. as I started, I have to agree that you have a good point, and thanks for sharing it.
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BoneSoft wrote:
That's a damn good question. I'd kinda like to know the answer to that one myself.
Hey, having the dead vote is a good old Democratic tradition - why not the illegals, too? (Note: Capital D as in political party)
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Yep, but since dead people vote up to 4 times or more, I figured they could make up illegals to vote under. That would remove their need for more real ones too. Dem Damn Dumb Dirty Demokwats :mad:
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Oakman wrote:
You say you remembered all my insults
No, not all. I just remember you said some generic bullshit about slavery in my country. No, I don't remember the details. Sorry for not giving to you the same detailed attention you have for me. ;P
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Diego Moita wrote:
Sorry for not giving to you the same detailed attention you have for me
I understand. After all I am just another gringo to resent. And there are so many of us. Whereas you - well, you are the only Brazilian clown who shares his thought here.
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_Zorro_ wrote:
and it sounds racist
When I'm being racist, there won't be any "sounds" about it. Meanwhile here's your clue: The U.S. is not obligated to give a shit whether you want to go to work or not. You don't pay taxes here. You aren't a citizen. And you don't deserve any special consideration.
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Oakman wrote:
When I'm being racist, there won't be any "sounds" about it.
Smart..
Oakman wrote:
Meanwhile here's your clue: The U.S. is not obligated to give a sh*t whether you want to go to work or not. You don't pay taxes here. You aren't a citizen. And you don't deserve any special consideration.
yeah, ok that's not technically racism, but I am sure that in an other context (less patriotic-defense) everyone would agree that it is. Why are you talking about, seriously? Why wouldn't I pay taxes if I work in the US? Do you think before writing? You know, that's really not my situation, but I understand why with people like you there is so much hate accumulated in the rest of the world towards the US.
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Rather than directing your anger at the US, look at other countries where you want to work and see if obtaining a working visa there is any easier. If if it is then go there, otherwise ask yourself why all these countries are acting much the same?
Peter "Until the invention of the computer, the machine gun was the device that enabled humans to make the most mistakes in the smallest amount of time."
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Oakman wrote:
When I'm being racist, there won't be any "sounds" about it.
Smart..
Oakman wrote:
Meanwhile here's your clue: The U.S. is not obligated to give a sh*t whether you want to go to work or not. You don't pay taxes here. You aren't a citizen. And you don't deserve any special consideration.
yeah, ok that's not technically racism, but I am sure that in an other context (less patriotic-defense) everyone would agree that it is. Why are you talking about, seriously? Why wouldn't I pay taxes if I work in the US? Do you think before writing? You know, that's really not my situation, but I understand why with people like you there is so much hate accumulated in the rest of the world towards the US.
_Zorro_ wrote:
yeah, ok that's not technically racism, but I am sure that in an other context (less patriotic-defense) everyone would agree that it is.
Amazing how quickly you play the race card. Is there perhaps a class in it given somewhere in South America?
_Zorro_ wrote:
Why are you talking about, seriously? Why wouldn't I pay taxes if I work in the US? Do you think before writing?
You are beginning to show that English is your second language. I really don't have time to try to explain everything in basic English. Suffice to say that it doesn't matter what you might do. I am talking about what is. You seem to think that the U.S. owes you the right to immigate. It doesn't. Get over it.
_Zorro_ wrote:
I understand why with people like you there is so much hate accumulated in the rest of the world towards the US.
Yeah that's me. I think there is a festival in Lower Slobovia dedicated to hating me. I am inordinately proud of that and try to attend every year.
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_Zorro_ wrote:
yeah, ok that's not technically racism, but I am sure that in an other context (less patriotic-defense) everyone would agree that it is.
Amazing how quickly you play the race card. Is there perhaps a class in it given somewhere in South America?
_Zorro_ wrote:
Why are you talking about, seriously? Why wouldn't I pay taxes if I work in the US? Do you think before writing?
You are beginning to show that English is your second language. I really don't have time to try to explain everything in basic English. Suffice to say that it doesn't matter what you might do. I am talking about what is. You seem to think that the U.S. owes you the right to immigate. It doesn't. Get over it.
_Zorro_ wrote:
I understand why with people like you there is so much hate accumulated in the rest of the world towards the US.
Yeah that's me. I think there is a festival in Lower Slobovia dedicated to hating me. I am inordinately proud of that and try to attend every year.
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Do you enjoy beeing agressive?
Oakman wrote:
Amazing how quickly you play the race card. Is there perhaps a class in it given somewhere in South America?
It's not that, it's just that somone pointed before that racism involves race comments... so I leave it there. But I know you all know what I meant by racism before.
Oakman wrote:
You are beginning to show that English is your second language. I really don't have time to try to explain everything in basic English. Suffice to say that it doesn't matter what you might do. I am talking about what is. You seem to think that the U.S. owes you the right to immigate. It doesn't. Get over it.
I never said it was and I don't think that the us owes me anything. I'm tired of trying to explain the same thing over and over. I accept that I may be wrong. Hey.. I looked for it.
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Do you enjoy beeing agressive?
Oakman wrote:
Amazing how quickly you play the race card. Is there perhaps a class in it given somewhere in South America?
It's not that, it's just that somone pointed before that racism involves race comments... so I leave it there. But I know you all know what I meant by racism before.
Oakman wrote:
You are beginning to show that English is your second language. I really don't have time to try to explain everything in basic English. Suffice to say that it doesn't matter what you might do. I am talking about what is. You seem to think that the U.S. owes you the right to immigate. It doesn't. Get over it.
I never said it was and I don't think that the us owes me anything. I'm tired of trying to explain the same thing over and over. I accept that I may be wrong. Hey.. I looked for it.
_Zorro_ wrote:
Do you enjoy beeing agressive?
Hey, you called me a racist. What did you think I would do: Say "thank you, sir, and may I have another?"
_Zorro_ wrote:
I'm tired of trying to explain the same thing over and over
Maybe you better work on your command of English. You may not be saying what you mean and getting yourself into a lot of trouble.
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really a good question..... Does it pass thru your mind that I may have a bank account? Really, what's the point of your question? Are you asking me to justify me stay in the US? When a tourist goes to the states, how does he do then..?
They get a temp tourist visa that limits how long they can stay here. Workers get a work visa that says they can work here. Students get a student visa that says they can stay and attend a school here. Tourists get a tourist visa that limits how long they can stay in the country and look around. You want to come here and seek work? Apply for a tourist visa, visit some companies then when someone is interested you can look into the H1B thing. I am not really sure where your problem is coming from. You DO know that trying to work in most foreign countries is a PITA right? I get hassled when I just go over to Canada to gibe training from christ sake. They ALWAYS ask me 'why can't a Canadian do it?' to which I reply 'a Canadian asked me to come over and teach them so that they CAN do it in the future.' Do you think that just anyone should be allowed to come over here when ever they want? You can, get a tourist visa and visit for a while. The 'give us your hungry and huddles masses urning to be free' thing went out when we started having a problem feeding out own.