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  • P Pallab_GT

    Hi guys...I am from Bangladesh and my knowledge is very limited.I have developed an algorithm using which any data can be hidden in a text file.After hiding the data in the text file,the size of the text file remains absolutely unchanged and there is no change whatsoever in the file's content as far as reading the file is concerned.I know there r lots of data hiding techniques.Guys can you plse tell me if this techniq has already been implemented the way i have done it...I mean hiding the data in a text file without changing the file size even by a single byte and you wont see a single replacement/change/distortion in any of the letters of the file.As far as reading the file is concerned...the file will remain 100% unchanged even after hiding the data in it.

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    Let me get this right. Your algorithm hides data in a file but doesn't alter the file in any way? Does it look anything like this?

    // Do nothing

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      Let me get this right. Your algorithm hides data in a file but doesn't alter the file in any way? Does it look anything like this?

      // Do nothing

      Paul Marfleet "No, his mind is not for rent To any God or government" Tom Sawyer - Rush

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      Hiding information in text, isn't that what documentation is about?

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        Let me get this right. Your algorithm hides data in a file but doesn't alter the file in any way? Does it look anything like this?

        // Do nothing

        Paul Marfleet "No, his mind is not for rent To any God or government" Tom Sawyer - Rush

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        It hides the data in a file and it does not change the file size and no visible change whatsoever in the file.

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        • P Pallab_GT

          It hides the data in a file and it does not change the file size and no visible change whatsoever in the file.

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          Your original post states 'the file will remain 100% unchanged'. If you're not changing the file, how can you be hiding data in it? What you're saying just doesn't make sense.

          Paul Marfleet "No, his mind is not for rent To any God or government" Tom Sawyer - Rush

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            Your original post states 'the file will remain 100% unchanged'. If you're not changing the file, how can you be hiding data in it? What you're saying just doesn't make sense.

            Paul Marfleet "No, his mind is not for rent To any God or government" Tom Sawyer - Rush

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            Pallab_GT
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            I said 100% unchanged as far ar reading the file is concerned.

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            • P Pallab_GT

              I said 100% unchanged as far ar reading the file is concerned.

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              Pallab_GT wrote:

              I said 100% unchanged as far ar reading the file is concerned.

              How can you make this claim? In order to hide the data, you are going to have to modify some characters in the file. If I use a diff tool to compare the old and new versions of the file, it's going to flag up some differences. If you make changes to a file, they're going to be noticed.

              Paul Marfleet "No, his mind is not for rent To any God or government" Tom Sawyer - Rush

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                Pallab_GT wrote:

                I said 100% unchanged as far ar reading the file is concerned.

                How can you make this claim? In order to hide the data, you are going to have to modify some characters in the file. If I use a diff tool to compare the old and new versions of the file, it's going to flag up some differences. If you make changes to a file, they're going to be noticed.

                Paul Marfleet "No, his mind is not for rent To any God or government" Tom Sawyer - Rush

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                pmarfleet wrote:

                How can you make this claim? In order to hide the data, you are going to have to modify some characters in the file. If I use a diff tool to compare the old and new versions of the file, it's going to flag up some differences. If you make changes to a file, they're going to be noticed.

                You're wrong. You wrote all the above because you're not aware of occultism superanatural powers. :-D

                If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
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                • P Pallab_GT

                  Hi guys...I am from Bangladesh and my knowledge is very limited.I have developed an algorithm using which any data can be hidden in a text file.After hiding the data in the text file,the size of the text file remains absolutely unchanged and there is no change whatsoever in the file's content as far as reading the file is concerned.I know there r lots of data hiding techniques.Guys can you plse tell me if this techniq has already been implemented the way i have done it...I mean hiding the data in a text file without changing the file size even by a single byte and you wont see a single replacement/change/distortion in any of the letters of the file.As far as reading the file is concerned...the file will remain 100% unchanged even after hiding the data in it.

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                  If you have done it with techniques like Alternate Data Stream[^] , then it's not really data hiding. Please describe your idea. Matthias

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                    If you have done it with techniques like Alternate Data Stream[^] , then it's not really data hiding. Please describe your idea. Matthias

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                    possible hint: ASCII is a 7-bit code. :)

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                      possible hint: ASCII is a 7-bit code. :)

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                      Luc Pattyn wrote:

                      ASCII is a 7-bit code

                      Hmm, I know, but I don't know any Text-Editor that would not reflect the MSB-Bit set to 1. :zzz: Matthias

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                        Luc Pattyn wrote:

                        ASCII is a 7-bit code

                        Hmm, I know, but I don't know any Text-Editor that would not reflect the MSB-Bit set to 1. :zzz: Matthias

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                        then create a font that holds the ASCII char set twice, and make it the default font. :)

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                          then create a font that holds the ASCII char set twice, and make it the default font. :)

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                          ... and any more tricks, but this will hide the data only on his own box ... [edit](and only for him)[/edit] :-D Matthias

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                            pmarfleet wrote:

                            How can you make this claim? In order to hide the data, you are going to have to modify some characters in the file. If I use a diff tool to compare the old and new versions of the file, it's going to flag up some differences. If you make changes to a file, they're going to be noticed.

                            You're wrong. You wrote all the above because you're not aware of occultism superanatural powers. :-D

                            If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                            This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke

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                            Pallab_GT
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                            You read it wrong.I said AS FAR AS READING THE FILE IS CONCERNED,the file remains 100% unmodified.Ofcourse i have to make some modification but that does not affect the size of the file or for that matter the readability of the file even by a bit.

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                              You read it wrong.I said AS FAR AS READING THE FILE IS CONCERNED,the file remains 100% unmodified.Ofcourse i have to make some modification but that does not affect the size of the file or for that matter the readability of the file even by a bit.

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                              Do you know a text file contains just character codes?

                              If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                              This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke

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                                Hi guys...I am from Bangladesh and my knowledge is very limited.I have developed an algorithm using which any data can be hidden in a text file.After hiding the data in the text file,the size of the text file remains absolutely unchanged and there is no change whatsoever in the file's content as far as reading the file is concerned.I know there r lots of data hiding techniques.Guys can you plse tell me if this techniq has already been implemented the way i have done it...I mean hiding the data in a text file without changing the file size even by a single byte and you wont see a single replacement/change/distortion in any of the letters of the file.As far as reading the file is concerned...the file will remain 100% unchanged even after hiding the data in it.

                                modified on Tuesday, March 18, 2008 8:42 PM

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                                Are you using NTFS Alternate Data Streams? http://support.microsoft.com/kb/105763[^]

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                                  Do you know a text file contains just character codes?

                                  If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                                  This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke

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                                  Pallab_GT
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                                  I know that a text file contains only character codes.And knowing that i am claiming that i can hide data in the text file without replacing/changing/distorting any of the readable letters.

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                                    Are you using NTFS Alternate Data Streams? http://support.microsoft.com/kb/105763[^]

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                                    No i am not using NTFS alternate file streams.

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                                      Are you using NTFS Alternate Data Streams? http://support.microsoft.com/kb/105763[^]

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                                      Pallab_GT
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                                      Text file contains only character codes.What if i can hide data inside the text file without distorting/changing/replacing a single readable character.

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                                        possible hint: ASCII is a 7-bit code. :)

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                                        No...I am not assuming ASCII codes to be 7 bit.

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                                        • M mabo42

                                          If you have done it with techniques like Alternate Data Stream[^] , then it's not really data hiding. Please describe your idea. Matthias

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                                          Pallab_GT
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                                          No Sir,I have not used the alternate data stream technique.

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