DC Handgun Ban
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One does not justify one's rights; one asserts them, one exercises them. It doesn't matter whether you Euroweenie sheeple "understand" or agree: these are our *rights*
One should probably be not be so shortsighted to not reevaluate ones rights as times change. I hope they bring back the right to accuse and burn witches with no evidence. I've heard that was good for a laugh.
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Smithers-Jones wrote:
There is simply no need for a gun in my opinion.
In Liechtenstein? Your entire Principality is the size of the District of Columbia. Your foreign relations and defense are entrusted to Switzerland - which is armed to the fucking teeth and has universal military service with every able bodied male conscripted to the army until the age of 30. What the hell would anyone in Liechtenstein know about defending himself?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
In Liechtenstein? Your entire Principality is the size of the District of Columbia. Your foreign relations and defense are entrusted to Switzerland - which is armed to the f***ing teeth and has universal military service with every able bodied male conscripted to the army until the age of 30. What the hell would anyone in Liechtenstein know about defending himself?
Don't know much about the Swiss, do you? They certainly aren't "armed to the teeth". Just in 2004 they cut their military personnel in half. I know, I've lived here for 5 years. Their army consists of regular guys (non-professionals, basically a militia) who aren't particularly interested in fighting and most find some way to get excused from military service. They are actually conscripted beyond 30, but the "conscription" consists of weekends spent camping in the woods and shooting at still targets. Their military infrastructure is also dated and falling apart. They just shut down their nuclear bunker in the Gotthard tunnel because it is structurally unstable and got severely reprimanded for an incursion into Liechtenstein: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/mar/02/markoliver The only plus is that the local government reserves a spot in the town nuclear shelter for you even if you're a foreigner. Contrary to popular belief, it's also not very expensive. They also have a nasty habit of recording everything you do and intercept and keep all electronic communications and emails entering or exiting the country for a period of 1-3 years.
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- Being just 13 and largely unaware of even your immediate surroundings, your opinions and statements in this conversation are severely discounted. 2) Living in Europe, it's understandable that you don't have the same outlook on life as Americans do, so once again, your opinions and statements in this conversation are severely discounted. 3) Just so you know, it was your government's actions that inspired the creation of the Bill of Rights. Since this indicates that you would have a dramatic conflict of interest in *anything* we do over here, your opinions and statements in this conversation are severely discounted. 4) Technically speaking, "we" didn't "give" anyone guns. "We" have the right to own them if we so choose. Your statement not only indicates a severe lack of understanding of historical events as well as society in this country as a whole, but a lack of respect for the United States in particular, so your opinions and statements in this conversation are severely discounted. 5) There's not one thing I'm embarrassed about regarding my country's origins. Just because some Europeans don't agree with our constitution or understand why it exists doesn't mean it's invalid.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001Ahem: what, exactly, do you need a gun for? I have lived in 'your' country and I maintain very close ties and am an ardent admirer and dedicated Yankophile. However, your obsession with weaponry has always perplexed me. It's not whether or not the constitution allows it or confers ownership as a right it is why you need them at all? I never felt the need to arm myself when there nor do I now nor does my family that are still there. So why do you? What is so important about carrying a weapon for which there is only one use?
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I have learned from experience, most young blacks and mexicans are barbaric, gang oriented, and just fucking scummy. They are the reason Americans need guns. I'm not being racist, its just the way it is. I would love to give you a tour of eastside Dayton. Even if you do lock your car doors you will get your battery, radio, and anything inside stolen. The only cars that are fairly safe are the ghetto looking cars, the old rust buckets with windows that are already broken. I used to live in the heart of Dayton, and you will surely get your shit jacked. My dad had is car windows broken, batteries stolen, tools stolen from his garage. My little brother was knocked off his bike and his bike was stolen by a black person. Lots of crack sales are taking place in Dayton, almost all by blacks.
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
So by owning a gun, your brother would have done what exactly on that bicycle-robbery? Shot the assaulter? For stealing a bloody bike? Or just threaten him, so next time he comes back with his gang- oriented barbaric friends to play it save?
CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
My dad had is car windows broken
See? No need to lock it. My car with already broken several times (not in my area, though), and everytime it was a bigger nuisance to grapple with police for insurance papers and repairing the windows, than simply buying a new radio.
CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
tools stolen from his garage.
So he didn't lock his garage? Didn't you tell him how very careless that is?
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
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According to early reports, it appears as if the DC handgun ban will be struck down as being unconstitutional. If true, this will be a substantial victory for all patriots. For the uninitiated, the 2nd amendment does not *grant* the right to keep/bear arms, it says that the right shall not be infringed, meaning the right already existed as a natural right and thus cannot be taken away. Also, the 2nd amendment does not restrict the types of arms you may keep/bear.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Also, the 2nd amendment does not restrict the types of arms you may keep/bear.
So, if my "weapon of choice" is a bozooka, that's OK to keep and bear? Does "common sense" come in to play anywhere in your distorted gun-toting hands?
John P.
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One should probably be not be so shortsighted to not reevaluate ones rights as times change. I hope they bring back the right to accuse and burn witches with no evidence. I've heard that was good for a laugh.
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I have learned from experience, most young blacks and mexicans are barbaric, gang oriented, and just fucking scummy. They are the reason Americans need guns. I'm not being racist, its just the way it is. I would love to give you a tour of eastside Dayton. Even if you do lock your car doors you will get your battery, radio, and anything inside stolen. The only cars that are fairly safe are the ghetto looking cars, the old rust buckets with windows that are already broken. I used to live in the heart of Dayton, and you will surely get your shit jacked. My dad had is car windows broken, batteries stolen, tools stolen from his garage. My little brother was knocked off his bike and his bike was stolen by a black person. Lots of crack sales are taking place in Dayton, almost all by blacks.
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
most young blacks and mexicans are barbaric, gang oriented, and just f***ing scummy.
CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
I'm not being racist
Gee I never would of thought that statement was racist. :) Some would say the same things about people receiving food stamps.
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Do you think the First Amendment should be changed? Seeing as (and i'm sorry for bringing it in) freedom of religion is a right, a fair few of your posts don't always seem to share that view. Aren't you against everyone elses right to believe what they want? "One does not justify one's rights; one asserts them, one exercises them." - terrorist in training? :laugh:
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So by owning a gun, your brother would have done what exactly on that bicycle-robbery? Shot the assaulter? For stealing a bloody bike? Or just threaten him, so next time he comes back with his gang- oriented barbaric friends to play it save?
CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
My dad had is car windows broken
See? No need to lock it. My car with already broken several times (not in my area, though), and everytime it was a bigger nuisance to grapple with police for insurance papers and repairing the windows, than simply buying a new radio.
CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
tools stolen from his garage.
So he didn't lock his garage? Didn't you tell him how very careless that is?
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
Smithers-Jones wrote:
So by owning a gun, your brother would have done what exactly on that bicycle-robbery?
My brother was just a kid. But that mother fucker needs to be shot. If you can't respect people and their property, you need to pay the ultimate price. Especially a kid, people who prey on kids need to be killed.
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
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CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
most young blacks and mexicans are barbaric, gang oriented, and just f***ing scummy.
CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
I'm not being racist
Gee I never would of thought that statement was racist. :) Some would say the same things about people receiving food stamps.
jeron1 wrote:
Some would say the same things about people receiving food stamps.
Naa, perhaps lazy, but not barbaric, gang oriented, and just fucking scummy.
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
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Are there a lot of blacks and mexicans in your area?
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
Yes, but that's not why I own guns.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
jeron1 wrote:
Some would say the same things about people receiving food stamps.
Naa, perhaps lazy, but not barbaric, gang oriented, and just fucking scummy.
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
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Ahem: what, exactly, do you need a gun for? I have lived in 'your' country and I maintain very close ties and am an ardent admirer and dedicated Yankophile. However, your obsession with weaponry has always perplexed me. It's not whether or not the constitution allows it or confers ownership as a right it is why you need them at all? I never felt the need to arm myself when there nor do I now nor does my family that are still there. So why do you? What is so important about carrying a weapon for which there is only one use?
Why don't you do some research on the subject? Educate yourself.
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
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Ahem: what, exactly, do you need a gun for? I have lived in 'your' country and I maintain very close ties and am an ardent admirer and dedicated Yankophile. However, your obsession with weaponry has always perplexed me. It's not whether or not the constitution allows it or confers ownership as a right it is why you need them at all? I never felt the need to arm myself when there nor do I now nor does my family that are still there. So why do you? What is so important about carrying a weapon for which there is only one use?
digital man wrote:
what, exactly, do you need a gun for?
Read the Constitution - the reasons are all in there, and it's been available for public consumption for over 200 years.
digital man wrote:
However, your obsession with weaponry has always perplexed me.
I don't have an "obsession" with weaponry. I have a few guns in case I need them. It's kinda like making backups of your data. You only perform backups in case something happens to your data. I have guns in case I need to defend myself, my home, or the Constitution.
digital man wrote:
I never felt the need to arm myself when there nor do I now nor does my family that are still there.
Asked and answered.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Smithers-Jones wrote:
So by owning a gun, your brother would have done what exactly on that bicycle-robbery?
My brother was just a kid. But that mother fucker needs to be shot. If you can't respect people and their property, you need to pay the ultimate price. Especially a kid, people who prey on kids need to be killed.
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
But that mother f***er needs to be shot
For a damned f*ckin'g bike? You really think, a pile of metal, that is not even worth getting a bleeding nose to defend it, is worth a human's life? Several of my bikes have been stolen at various train stations during the last years, and yes, I have been quite angry about that at that time. But for gods sake, a bike is only a bike.
CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
If you can't respect people and their property, you need to pay the ultimate price.
Wait, you are the guy telling us a bit further down that thread, that you are stealing cough syrup? Now don't tell me, it's a shop you are stealing from, and not a person. Where's the difference? Stealing is stealing, you are not respecting property, according to your comment you have to pay the ultimate price.
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Also, the 2nd amendment does not restrict the types of arms you may keep/bear.
So, if my "weapon of choice" is a bozooka, that's OK to keep and bear? Does "common sense" come in to play anywhere in your distorted gun-toting hands?
John P.
jparken wrote:
So, if my "weapon of choice" is a bozooka, that's OK to keep and bear?
If you shoot it responsibly, sure, why not? I know none of the local shooting ranges will allow you to use it. You'll probably have to drive at least 100 miles from the city before you can find a place.
jparken wrote:
Does "common sense" come in to play anywhere in your distorted gun-toting hands?
I wouldn't say my hands are "distorted". I have some rifles and a few hand guns. Two of the four rifles I own are .22's (one bolt-action, and the other a lever-action) used for target practice because the Winchester .30-30 (a lever-action) is too expensive to shoot on a week-to-week basis. The fourth rifle is also a .22 (another bolt-action) that I let guests shoot when I go to the range. Notice that none of the rifles are semi-auto or considered "assault rifles". The pistols are both 9mm - one belongs to my wife, and one belongs to me. My wife has a CCL because she is often going (unescorted) to parts unknown to meet people unknown in the interest of volunteering for our dog rescue group. There's no telling what might happen while she's out and about, and was eager to get a CCL for self defense. I got my CCL to keep her company in the CCL class, and while I don't often carry, there are times when I have a gun in my car. Now, I'm a licensed experienced gun owner, and I have what I would call a less-then-exhaustive collection of firearms. How is that in any fucking way considered to be "distorted"?
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
But that mother f***er needs to be shot
For a damned f*ckin'g bike? You really think, a pile of metal, that is not even worth getting a bleeding nose to defend it, is worth a human's life? Several of my bikes have been stolen at various train stations during the last years, and yes, I have been quite angry about that at that time. But for gods sake, a bike is only a bike.
CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
If you can't respect people and their property, you need to pay the ultimate price.
Wait, you are the guy telling us a bit further down that thread, that you are stealing cough syrup? Now don't tell me, it's a shop you are stealing from, and not a person. Where's the difference? Stealing is stealing, you are not respecting property, according to your comment you have to pay the ultimate price.
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
Its not that he stole a bike, he knocked a kid off of it to take it. Yes, he needs shot.
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
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digital man wrote:
where the vast majority of policemen are unarmed
Is that still true? I heard that the bobbies were insisting on being armed now - maybe that's true just in London?
digital man wrote:
What, exactly, do you need a gun for?
Remember we have Captain See Sharp running around on the streets stealing to get enough money to buy another bottle of cough syrup. :) Maybe more to the point we have street gangs who do have guns, assault weapons in many cases, and who out number, out weapon, and outspend the police departments. Maybe even more to the point there's never been a dictatorship yet that has not disarmed its citizens as part of its power grab.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
Maybe even more to the point there's never been a dictatorship yet that has not disarmed its citizens as part of its power grab.
You've done a study of all dictatorships (i.e., the vast majority of governments throughout human history) before making this assertion? I can't say that I've made any such survey myself, but I have read in several places that gun ownership is widespread in Iraq and that this has was true under Saddam. For example, this is from before the invasion:
One gauge of that fear is the trade at gun shops. Most Iraqi households own at least one gun, so there has been no particular run on armaments. But some gun shop owners report as much as a 50 percent jump in ammunition sales. ''I came in to buy a hunting gun, but I'm also thinking about how to protect my house and the neighborhood streets,'' said Yasser Abu Bilal, looking at a 12-gauge pump-action shotgun at the Trigger gun shop in the upscale Mansour neighborhood.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9500E5D8153EF931A25750C0A9659C8B63[^]
John Carson
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One should probably be not be so shortsighted to not reevaluate ones rights as times change. I hope they bring back the right to accuse and burn witches with no evidence. I've heard that was good for a laugh.
That wasn't a right - it was religious persecution, and usually based on a lack of scientific knowledge.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
jeron1 wrote:
Some would say the same things about people receiving food stamps.
Naa, perhaps lazy, but not barbaric, gang oriented, and just fucking scummy.
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
but not barbaric
"Barbarian" is a pejorative term for an uncivilized, uncultured person [...] an individual reference to a brutal, cruel, warlike, insensitive person whose behaviour is unacceptable in the society of the speaker.
CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
But that mother f***er needs to be shot
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
