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  • P PIEBALDconsult

    I just found a bunch of properties made read-only like this (I think they're from a template):

    set
    {
    // Do nothing
    }

    Huh? If you want it to be read-only, make it read-only! :mad:

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    Robert Royall
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    That's not so much read-only as it is a "la la la I'm not listening la la la" property.

    Please don't bother me... I'm hacking right now. Don't look at me like that - doesn't anybody remember what "hacking" really means? :sigh:

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    • P PIEBALDconsult

      I just found a bunch of properties made read-only like this (I think they're from a template):

      set
      {
      // Do nothing
      }

      Huh? If you want it to be read-only, make it read-only! :mad:

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      GibbleCH
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      Actually, I have found that sometimes you need to do that. I can't remember the exact reasoning, but a couple weeks ago I was trying to pass a readonly property to a .NET function of some sort and it would throw an error, despite, the property not being written too...the "fix" was to have an empty set...and I believe I marked it as deprecated so it threw a compile error if someone tried to write to it.

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      • G GibbleCH

        Actually, I have found that sometimes you need to do that. I can't remember the exact reasoning, but a couple weeks ago I was trying to pass a readonly property to a .NET function of some sort and it would throw an error, despite, the property not being written too...the "fix" was to have an empty set...and I believe I marked it as deprecated so it threw a compile error if someone tried to write to it.

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        PIEBALDconsult
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        The ObsoleteAttribute can't be applied to a property accessor. :( The class in question is implementing an abstract class, which specifies both get and set. I should have checked that before I posted this, but still... the set should throw a NotImplementedException or something. Failing that, the accessor should be functional.

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        • P PIEBALDconsult

          I just found a bunch of properties made read-only like this (I think they're from a template):

          set
          {
          // Do nothing
          }

          Huh? If you want it to be read-only, make it read-only! :mad:

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          darkelv
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          Well, if the guy who owns the interface doesn't want to remove the set from the interface, I guess you are pretty much stucked with that.

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            Well, if the guy who owns the interface doesn't want to remove the set from the interface, I guess you are pretty much stucked with that.

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            PIEBALDconsult
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            Yes, but silently ignoring the value is poor style.

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            • P PIEBALDconsult

              I just found a bunch of properties made read-only like this (I think they're from a template):

              set
              {
              // Do nothing
              }

              Huh? If you want it to be read-only, make it read-only! :mad:

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              BadKarma
              wrote on last edited by
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              Still, its better then the following

              private int m_iData;
              public int Data
              {
               get 
               {
                return m_iData;
               }
               set
               {
                 // store the old data
                 //
                 int iOldData = m_iData;
              
                 m_iData = value;
              
                 // reset to old data because its read-only
                 //
                 m_iData = iOldData
               }
              }
              

              codito ergo sum

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              • P PIEBALDconsult

                I just found a bunch of properties made read-only like this (I think they're from a template):

                set
                {
                // Do nothing
                }

                Huh? If you want it to be read-only, make it read-only! :mad:

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                mav northwind
                wrote on last edited by
                #8

                You guys are so negative! Try to see the good in this approach. Using this approach one could perform consistency checks before not saving the value... :laugh:

                Regards, mav -- Black holes are the places where God divided by 0...

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                • B BadKarma

                  Still, its better then the following

                  private int m_iData;
                  public int Data
                  {
                   get 
                   {
                    return m_iData;
                   }
                   set
                   {
                     // store the old data
                     //
                     int iOldData = m_iData;
                  
                     m_iData = value;
                  
                     // reset to old data because its read-only
                     //
                     m_iData = iOldData
                   }
                  }
                  

                  codito ergo sum

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                  CPallini
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                  :laugh:

                  If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                  This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke

                  In testa che avete, signor di Ceprano?

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                  • P PIEBALDconsult

                    Yes, but silently ignoring the value is poor style.

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                    Paul Conrad
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                    #10

                    PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                    silently ignoring the value is poor style.

                    Yes, it is. I can only imagine the headache of trying to track it down on a Friday afternoon.

                    "The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer

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                    • M mav northwind

                      You guys are so negative! Try to see the good in this approach. Using this approach one could perform consistency checks before not saving the value... :laugh:

                      Regards, mav -- Black holes are the places where God divided by 0...

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                      GibbleCH
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                      Alternately, if at some point in time, the property was to become (or maybe was in the past) not 'readonly', applications relying on the dll wouldn't necessarily need to be recompiled to use the new dll, since the definition wouldn't change...on that item.

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                      • B BadKarma

                        Still, its better then the following

                        private int m_iData;
                        public int Data
                        {
                         get 
                         {
                          return m_iData;
                         }
                         set
                         {
                           // store the old data
                           //
                           int iOldData = m_iData;
                        
                           m_iData = value;
                        
                           // reset to old data because its read-only
                           //
                           m_iData = iOldData
                         }
                        }
                        

                        codito ergo sum

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                        Krirk
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                        Excellent code.A guy who wrote this code is genius. :omg: :wtf:X|

                        My blog

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                        • G GibbleCH

                          Alternately, if at some point in time, the property was to become (or maybe was in the past) not 'readonly', applications relying on the dll wouldn't necessarily need to be recompiled to use the new dll, since the definition wouldn't change...on that item.

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                          Lutoslaw
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                          Yeach. And if some library user tried to write to a property and didn't notice that it took no effect, then after an upgrade his code could break because the old do-nothing setter would suddenly change something. :doh:

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                          • P PIEBALDconsult

                            I just found a bunch of properties made read-only like this (I think they're from a template):

                            set
                            {
                            // Do nothing
                            }

                            Huh? If you want it to be read-only, make it read-only! :mad:

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                            leppie
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                            #14

                            You need this scenario with XML deserialization.

                            xacc.ide - now with IronScheme support
                            IronScheme - 1.0 alpha 2 out now

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                              You need this scenario with XML deserialization.

                              xacc.ide - now with IronScheme support
                              IronScheme - 1.0 alpha 2 out now

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                              PIEBALDconsult
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                              #15

                              Good point, but... Not if it's done right. I haven't done much serialization (XML or otherwise), but as I recall the class specifies which members get serialized and deserialized, so this shouldn't be a problem. You might have to override the base class' deserializer. Or I may just be showing my ignorance. :-O

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                              • P Paul Conrad

                                PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                                silently ignoring the value is poor style.

                                Yes, it is. I can only imagine the headache of trying to track it down on a Friday afternoon.

                                "The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer

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                                Derek Bartram
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                                #16

                                Well, personally I say get rid of properties anyway! There is simply no point in them other than making the language more bloated and less clear.... In the good old days.... .name = public class variable, didn't run any code, just gave access.... now will it run code, or won't it!?!?!??!?

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                                • D Derek Bartram

                                  Well, personally I say get rid of properties anyway! There is simply no point in them other than making the language more bloated and less clear.... In the good old days.... .name = public class variable, didn't run any code, just gave access.... now will it run code, or won't it!?!?!??!?

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                                  PIEBALDconsult
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #17

                                  Sure they can be abused, but I wouldn't get rid of them just because of that.

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                                  • P PIEBALDconsult

                                    Sure they can be abused, but I wouldn't get rid of them just because of that.

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                                    Derek Bartram
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                                    Maybe, but it just seams like a lazy way of coding that means it's harder to tell what code is actually doing. Personally I feel it makes using other people's code harder (particularily badly written code where the property name is misleading)

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                                      Maybe, but it just seams like a lazy way of coding that means it's harder to tell what code is actually doing. Personally I feel it makes using other people's code harder (particularily badly written code where the property name is misleading)

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                                      GibbleCH
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                                      #19

                                      But properly written properties do data validation, and will modify any other values that need to be modified when that property changes.

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                                        You need this scenario with XML deserialization.

                                        xacc.ide - now with IronScheme support
                                        IronScheme - 1.0 alpha 2 out now

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                                        GibbleCH
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                                        #20

                                        THAT'S IT! That's why I had to do something similar to this coding horror.

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                                        • G GibbleCH

                                          But properly written properties do data validation, and will modify any other values that need to be modified when that property changes.

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                                          Derek Bartram
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                                          #21

                                          That's the problem though... the amount of people who i've seen doing things like modify data structures in property gets, is pretty high. Why leave elements of the language that can result in really hard to debug code and misconceptions?

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