So, what to do with those pesky Muslems?

Lost User

Somewhat in line with the proposed 'Oath of Britishness' I think we need an 'Oath of Europeaness', AKA, 'Oath of Westernisation'. This oath would take the form of swearing to live by the law of society, etc, especially respecting other religions, not preaching hatred and so on. So, all prospective immigrants would have to take this oath. And lets apply it retrospectively too, any imigrant in the last 50 years must be made to swear too. If they dont, they get kicked out. If they do, then OK. (That'll sort the buggers out eh?)

Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

J4amieC

*yawn*

Ilion

And how will this work? I'm asking a deeper question that how you are likely reading that. You (Fat_Boy, personally, and great numbers, perhaps even a majority, of "Europeans") believe that there is absolutely nothing in this world worth dying for. What this means in *practice* is that there is nothing in life that you (i.e such persons) will risk the possibility of death to defend. And then, you've got your types like "J4amieC" who think it's boring to even try to think about the problem. And then, you've got your types like "K" who try to portray any attempt to think about the problem as inherently fascist. Who, exactly, are you (plural/social) going to find to enforce this "sorting out" if none of you are willing to risk your skins for the sake of your own lives and freedom? And, if you do find sufficient enforcers, how are you (plural/social) going to keep *them* from turning on you?

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Ro0ke · modified on Friday, March 28, 2008 10:04 AM

Ilíon wrote:

You (Fat_Boy, personally, and great numbers, perhaps even a majority, of "Europeans")

That is a generalization. Where did you get this information?

Vikram A Punathambekar

Please don't reply to Ilidiot. You (the collective you) are giving him what he wants - attention. He makes ridiculous statements like that, and when others point them out, tries to redefine words.

Cheers, Vikram.

Zeppelin's law: In any Soapbox discussion involving Stan Shannon, the probability of the term "leftist" or "Marxist" appearing approaches 1 monotonically. Harris' addendum: I think you meant "monotonously". Martin's second addendum: Jeffersonian... I think that should at least get a mention.

R Giskard Reventlov

I think, old chap, that you've missed the point. Sadly, even if they were to do so how could you trust them? Why would you trust them? In the past immigrant groups have arrived (in the UK and the US in particular) and have made attempts to quickly integrate into wider society and become an integral part of it. They will certainly have maintained their cultural or ethnic origins but will, nonetheless, feel utterly British or American and, rightly, proud of it. Some groups have been here hundreds of years, others far less. But they all have a common sense that they come here offering a 2 way benefit: we benefit from new blood and they get safety and a fresh start in a modern (ok, ok) first world country. The muslims will have none of this and it won't matter what they say, they don't mean it. And even if they do why would anyone believe them? We are allowing them to destroy and pervert our society from the inside out. Maybe it serves us right: our own lilly-livered liberal-ness coming back to bite us on the arse. I also think that it is far too late to do anything about it. The time was back in the sixties, maybe the seventies but not now, not with almost unfettered immigration, rampant political correctness and the islamisation of entire communities that isolate and give nothing back to wider society. If I could leave now I would. But where would I go? Where is there in this world still free of the choking, obscene yoke of Islam?

bin the spin home

Lost User · modified on Friday, March 28, 2008 10:04 AM

Ilíon wrote:

You (Fat_Boy, personally, and great numbers, perhaps even a majority, of "Europeans") believe that there is absolutely nothing in this world worth dying for

Well, dont forget Europe has a rich history of dragging the entire worl to war so this statement is quite palpably wrong. The difference, if it needs pointiong out to you, is one of offense vs defense. A person who believes that something is worht dying for will be offensive, as indeed the Islamicists are. They try to push their *thing* that is worth dying for on all of us. Those that DONT think there is anything worth dying for actually live their lives very peacefully. They DONT have axes to grind, and are not offensive. But, if that way of life becomes threatened they will become defensive and will kill anyone who threatens them. That is why I stated in the othet thread that is it not worth dying for anything, but it is worth killing those who do. (And in fact to kill those who do believe in martyrdom is meerely to do them a favour so should not be entered into with reserve)

Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

Chris Meech · modified on Friday, March 28, 2008 10:04 AM

I'lying wrote:

And how will this work?

Did you ever work as a bricklayer?

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Ilion

Ro0ke wrote:

That is a generalization. Where did you get this information?

Well, at least I now know an important fact about you. :sigh:

Ilion

Chris Meech wrote:

Did you ever work as a bricklayer?

Almost. In college, a beautiful woman (she pushed almost all my buttons) suggested that we go to the dorm's Holloween party: she as a brick and I as a bricklayer. edit: Of course, she said that only to see me turn red. edit: On the other hand, she used to call me over to her dorm room shortly before lock-down to give her a massage. And she'd be wearing nothing but a tee and running shorts. :doh: Man! was I naive.

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Lost User

digital man wrote:

they don't mean it

I think it might make a difference. Of course the other thing to do is deport anyone who commits any crime, no matter how trivial, if they are a 'recent' immigrant (or even child of an imigrant). The benefit though of having these raving nutters in the UK is it is VERY easy to keep tabs on them. They are SO blindly stupid they think they are getting away with their public ranting and that no one notices. Wrong. The inteligence forces know exactly who is who wnd who knows who. And if it EVER comes to the point where there is a suspected rising you will see thousands of Muslems rounded up and locked up overnight. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer as the old adage goes.

Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

Ilion

digital man wrote:

The muslims will have none of this and it won't matter what they say, they don't mean it.

It's called 'taqiyyah,' generally translated as 'dissimulation.' But "holy lying" might be a better translation. Really, when you think about it, Leftists (hard-core leftists, especially) ought not to find the concept too terribly novel.

Ro0ke

I suppose I'd like to know what this important fact is (and perhaps, if there's time, an answer to my original question).

R Giskard Reventlov

fat_boy wrote:

I think it might make a difference.

What difference? Why on earth would you trust or believe them? Why would you trust or believe anything anyone says? Everyone lies and everyone has a motive and you can be damned sure it's for there benefit, not yours.

fat_boy wrote:

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer as the old adage goes.

Might I requote as: keep your friends close and kill your enemies before they kill you. Because you can be damned sure that islam will show you no mercy.

bin the spin home

Stan Shannon

digital man wrote:

I also think that it is far too late to do anything about it. The time was back in the sixties, maybe the seventies but not now, not with almost unfettered immigration, rampant political correctness and the islamisation of entire communities that isolate and give nothing back to wider society.

It is certainly too late for the situation to be resolved peacefully. I have no doubt that at some point the massive leftist brainwashing campaign that has rendered our western societies so impotent will be ineffective against the basic human impulse of self preservation.

Please excuse my refusal to participate in the suicide of western civilization

Ilion

digital man wrote:

Because you can be damned sure that islam will show you no mercy.

Islam is not Muslims, and Muslims are not Islam. You know, much as atheism (an intensely stupid belief-system) is not 'atheists' (the silly persons who like to pretend to believe the intensely silly belief-system). Muslims are human beings, deluded, enthralled to a death-cult, but human beings made in the image of God, nonetheless. Much like 'atheists,' in fact.

Brady Kelly

We have lots of Muslims and very little Islamism here in SA.

R Giskard Reventlov

How are musliims and islam perceived there? Are they more integrated? Are they as vocal as they are in Europe? Do they try and blow things up? Are the immams at the mosques spewing at hate-filled bile to their congregations?

bin the spin home

Haydn Chapman

I think you should pray your god goes to specsavers if he decides to make something else in his image. Some of his works seem to think for themselves, he can't have that. He may be omnipotent but he still needs all the prayers he can get, I imagine it can get pretty lonely :( being the most powerful being ever in existence, with nothing to do all day except to speak to gibbering fools.

Ilion

But you're still an ass. And intellectually dishonest (i.e. a liar).