Flushing an American
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BBBBBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMM! Benazir Bhutto was assassinated on 27 December 2007 in Rawalpindi, Pakistan. Bhutto, twice Prime Minister of Pakistan (1988–1990; 1993–1996) and then-leader of the opposition Pakistan Peoples Party, had been campaigning ahead of elections due in January 2008.[1][4] She was shot at after a political rally at Liaquat National Bagh; a suicide bomb was detonated immediately following the shooting. She was declared dead at 18:16 local time (13:16 UTC), at Rawalpindi General Hospital. At least 23 other people were killed by the bombing.[3] Shortly after her return from exile two months earlier, she survived a similar attempt on her life that killed at least 139 people. Clickety[^]. You're right kid, extra-cultural commentary can be fun!
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Ilíon wrote:
Yet, would not *you* have been singing her praises had she exercised "choice"
Wow, what a great example of how easy it is to twist words around an issue. Extolling the concept of "freedom" in America that some of us still revere, in this case freedom to choose, is NOT EQUAL to praising an individuals choice. Maybe someday people will understand that, maybe, I won't be holding my breath.
led mike
led mike wrote:
in America that some of us still revere, in this case freedom to choose
Translation: "Freedom to choose those activities approved of and sanctioned by the left via its control of the federal judiciary"
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that came out from your womb? Idiot! opposing something is healthy but lying just because you have to oppose something is quite lame.
Can't take it when it's directed at your country and culture, huh? Tsk, tsk...
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Stan Shannon wrote:
I just think any "right" to an abortion should be actually defined in the legal code somewhere
How do we know what specific rights need to be codified? When the right people tell us? Or is that some sort of hat trick? I mean we can't codify every single right can we?
led mike
led mike wrote:
How do we know what specific rights need to be codified? When the right people tell us? Or is that some sort of hat trick? I mean we can't codify every single right can we?
Isn't that precisely what Roe v Wade was?
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Do you have sympathy in your heart for the poor girl, and the baby? Do you cry for the situation she found herself in that drove her to such an extreme act?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Are you joking? She's an infidel!
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led mike wrote:
How do we know what specific rights need to be codified? When the right people tell us? Or is that some sort of hat trick? I mean we can't codify every single right can we?
Isn't that precisely what Roe v Wade was?
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Isn't that precisely what Roe v Wade was?
yep. gave women the "right" to murder. now how cool is that?
Mike - typical white guy Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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led mike wrote:
in America that some of us still revere, in this case freedom to choose
Translation: "Freedom to choose those activities approved of and sanctioned by the left via its control of the federal judiciary"
Please excuse my refusal to participate in the suicide of western civilization
:zzz: Everytime you start this Roe v Wade activist judges conversation it goes down the same path and ends with you abandoning it when we get to the part about the history of abortion taken from common law because you have no argument for it. nuf said.
led mike
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Isn't that precisely what Roe v Wade was?
yep. gave women the "right" to murder. now how cool is that?
Mike - typical white guy Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
I just think any "right" to an abortion should be actually defined in the legal code somewhere
How do we know what specific rights need to be codified? When the right people tell us? Or is that some sort of hat trick? I mean we can't codify every single right can we?
led mike
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that came out from your womb? Idiot! opposing something is healthy but lying just because you have to oppose something is quite lame.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
that came out from your womb? Idiot! opposing something is healthy
Ah! So blowing up other people's children is Good and Right and Totally Islamicly Proper... but killing your own is taboo. Good to know the US doesn't have a monopoly on twisted double-standards... Wait, not good, the other thing, lessee now um... oh yeah: tragic and sad. You are one sick puppy, Adnan.
Citizen 20.1.01
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'
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:zzz: Everytime you start this Roe v Wade activist judges conversation it goes down the same path and ends with you abandoning it when we get to the part about the history of abortion taken from common law because you have no argument for it. nuf said.
led mike
led mike wrote:
about the history of abortion taken from common law because you have no argument for it. nuf said.
Thats because that isn't true on so many counts that its impossible to refute. There is nothing in the constitution concerning any right to terminate pregnancies, nor giving the federal judiciary any power to discover such a right or any other right regardless of English common law. We are governed by the constitution, not by English Common Law.
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Oh yes the murder ploy again. :rolleyes: Yes the abortion issue is as simple as murder, right, good one. :zzz:
led mike
led mike wrote:
the abortion issue is as simple as murder
what do you call taking a life? just curious.
Mike - typical white guy Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
that came out from your womb? Idiot! opposing something is healthy
Ah! So blowing up other people's children is Good and Right and Totally Islamicly Proper... but killing your own is taboo. Good to know the US doesn't have a monopoly on twisted double-standards... Wait, not good, the other thing, lessee now um... oh yeah: tragic and sad. You are one sick puppy, Adnan.
Citizen 20.1.01
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'
Shog9 wrote:
Ah! So blowing up other people's children is Good and Right and Totally Islamicly Proper... but killing your own is taboo.
Of course. Since they're non-Muslim they're infidel and therefore....worth nothing!
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led mike wrote:
the abortion issue is as simple as murder
what do you call taking a life? just curious.
Mike - typical white guy Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Oh yes the murder ploy again. :rolleyes: Yes the abortion issue is as simple as murder, right, good one. :zzz:
led mike
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Ro0ke wrote:
but that's not the issue
yes it is.
Ro0ke wrote:
The issue is when life begins.
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Mike - typical white guy Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
I just think any "right" to an abortion should be actually defined in the legal code somewhere
How do we know what specific rights need to be codified? When the right people tell us? Or is that some sort of hat trick? I mean we can't codify every single right can we?
led mike
led mike wrote:
How do we know what specific rights need to be codified?
The ones which are not specifically defined in the actual text of the constitution. You know, the ones which the actual text of the constituion specifically leaves up to the states and to the people.
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Ro0ke wrote:
The issue is when life begins.
And that's why we'll never resolve the issue. Different people have different ideas as to where that line should be drawn. The basic argument is as old as we are: who is human, who is not, whose death is a matter of consequence, and what are the consequences of killing them?
Citizen 20.1.01
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'
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Ro0ke wrote:
The issue is when life begins.
No, the issue is which institution in our society has the proper authority to legally define when life begins. The federal judiciary has no such constitutional authority. Only the congress does, or the states, or the people. The judiciary has no authority to make law.
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Ilíon wrote:
Yet, would not *you* have been singing her praises had she exercised "choice" perhaps an hour previously?
I would most certainly have not, as I am opposed to abortion. You know, Illness, not everyone fits into your neatly polarized little world of caricatures.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
... not everyone fits into your neatly polarized little world of caricatures.
Of course, being a superior being, as you are, it's not necessary for you yourself to do other than stereotype. Or pay too much attention to the failures of the stereotypes you insist upon projecting onto others.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
I would most certainly have not, as I am opposed to abortion. You know, Illness, not everyone fits into your neatly polarized little world of caricatures.
But, the fact is, and as we *all* know, abortion is one of those issues clearly recognized and understood by all to be a "liberal" .... hmmm, sacrament. Certainly, one *can* find "conservatives" who pro-abortion. And one *can* find "liberals" who are anti-abortion. One can even find atheists who are strongly anti-abortion. But these are pretty much aberrations. If you had cared to actually read what I wrote ... but why would you, being superior, as you are? ... I expressed the expectation that you are pro-abortion, while very much leaving open the possibility that on this issue you deviate from your regular leftism.