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  • I Ilion

    American Thinker (Kate Wright): Ben Stein's Intelligent Adventure[^]

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    It really bugs me when movie critics attribute their attitudes and impressions to "the viewer" rather than themselves. :sigh:

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    'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'

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      American Thinker (Kate Wright): Ben Stein's Intelligent Adventure[^]

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      More pabulum for the rabble.


      And when the sunlight hits the olive oil, don't hesitate.

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        American Thinker (Kate Wright): Ben Stein's Intelligent Adventure[^]

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        Wow, did I learn a lot! 1. Ben Stein, in addition to hosting gaming shows and selling eye wash, makes movies. 2. Darwin was responsible for the Holocaust! 3. Because Darwin never dealt with why cells evolve but only the fact that they do evolve, he was an atheist and is responsible for the Eugenics atrocities of the NAZIs. (It's not clear whether he is also responsible for Khan Noonien Singh and his cronies.) 4. People who do not like their work being plagiarized by Ben Stein are violating the First Amendment. 5. All you have to do to discover the true meaning of freedom (I bet you didn't even know you didn't know it) is visit the Jefferson and Washington Memorials and read the inscriptions* 6. Atheists all want to be God. Which, I guess, explains why they don't believe in Him...er...um...Does that mean they think they themselves don't exist??? 7. People who believe in the Theory of Evolution and reject the universe-was-created-4,927-years-ago-in-6-days-and-a-nap stuff are just like Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot. * You won't see the actual words that Jefferson wrote, by the way, but an edited-for-content version :) I wonder if Ben knew that. . .

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          American Thinker (Kate Wright): Ben Stein's Intelligent Adventure[^]

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          This is fascinating: the creationists criticize "Darwinism" for drawing moral, social and political implications out of the Theory of Evolution (e.g.: Spencer's Social Darwinism, etc). But then what do they do? Exactly the same in another way: Materialism is a philosophy that holds that the only thing that can be proven to exist is matter. In general terms, Darwinism relies on materialism, to the exclusion of dualism, pluralism, and idealism. Intelligent Design, by contrast, relies on consciousness in the realm of phenomenal reality, to explain that which cannot be explained by matter. I don't care about "materialism vs. consciousness" bullshit. That's metaphysical crap that doesn't belong to science. Evolution is an observed fact, not metaphysics.


          Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.

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            American Thinker (Kate Wright): Ben Stein's Intelligent Adventure[^]

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            Article:

            Above all, we appreciate that America (where 82% believe in God) is the hope for mankind.

            Self-righteous?

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              Wow, did I learn a lot! 1. Ben Stein, in addition to hosting gaming shows and selling eye wash, makes movies. 2. Darwin was responsible for the Holocaust! 3. Because Darwin never dealt with why cells evolve but only the fact that they do evolve, he was an atheist and is responsible for the Eugenics atrocities of the NAZIs. (It's not clear whether he is also responsible for Khan Noonien Singh and his cronies.) 4. People who do not like their work being plagiarized by Ben Stein are violating the First Amendment. 5. All you have to do to discover the true meaning of freedom (I bet you didn't even know you didn't know it) is visit the Jefferson and Washington Memorials and read the inscriptions* 6. Atheists all want to be God. Which, I guess, explains why they don't believe in Him...er...um...Does that mean they think they themselves don't exist??? 7. People who believe in the Theory of Evolution and reject the universe-was-created-4,927-years-ago-in-6-days-and-a-nap stuff are just like Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot. * You won't see the actual words that Jefferson wrote, by the way, but an edited-for-content version :) I wonder if Ben knew that. . .

              Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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              Wow, guess he demolished evolution as a theory, huh? Ben Stein is a genius with all the answers! :laugh: Clearly he didn't understand my "Myth" post the other day. Now I know he's a veritable vegetable when it comes to intellect. Quite possibly he's illiterate too - I have yet to see him understand something he reads - including his own posts!


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                This is fascinating: the creationists criticize "Darwinism" for drawing moral, social and political implications out of the Theory of Evolution (e.g.: Spencer's Social Darwinism, etc). But then what do they do? Exactly the same in another way: Materialism is a philosophy that holds that the only thing that can be proven to exist is matter. In general terms, Darwinism relies on materialism, to the exclusion of dualism, pluralism, and idealism. Intelligent Design, by contrast, relies on consciousness in the realm of phenomenal reality, to explain that which cannot be explained by matter. I don't care about "materialism vs. consciousness" bullshit. That's metaphysical crap that doesn't belong to science. Evolution is an observed fact, not metaphysics.


                Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.

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                Some creationists argue that evolutionism is just a theory because it cannot be observed. I wonder if they were able to observe the creation of Earth by God in 6 days :rolleyes:

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                  Article:

                  Above all, we appreciate that America (where 82% believe in God) is the hope for mankind.

                  Self-righteous?

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                  I would bet that very few of that 82% believe in Ilion's God the same way Iliion does.(or Ben Stein's God the way Ben Stein does). Only for the complete fundamentalist is it necessary that science be wrong in order that their religion be right. Most think that there is room in the world for both (after all, evolution- and science in general - doesn't rule out a divine creator, nor does it require one). But then if you insist on believing in the literal accuracy of a document that has been translated numerous times (with different political and religious agendas each time), then it is necessary that science be wrong for the current translation to be the complete and absolute literal truth.

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                    Some creationists argue that evolutionism is just a theory because it cannot be observed. I wonder if they were able to observe the creation of Earth by God in 6 days :rolleyes:

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                    Sadly, while that may be amusing to you and I, in the short term most of them would be overjoyed to get their theology on equal ground with real science.

                    You know, every time I tried to win a bar-bet about being able to count to 1000 using my fingers I always get punched out when I reach 4.... -- El Corazon

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                      Wow, guess he demolished evolution as a theory, huh? Ben Stein is a genius with all the answers! :laugh: Clearly he didn't understand my "Myth" post the other day. Now I know he's a veritable vegetable when it comes to intellect. Quite possibly he's illiterate too - I have yet to see him understand something he reads - including his own posts!


                      And when the sunlight hits the olive oil, don't hesitate.

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                      73Zeppelin wrote:

                      Clearly he didn't understand my "Myth" post the other day

                      It's because he doesn't believe in a Myth-ing link.

                      Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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                        I would bet that very few of that 82% believe in Ilion's God the same way Iliion does.(or Ben Stein's God the way Ben Stein does). Only for the complete fundamentalist is it necessary that science be wrong in order that their religion be right. Most think that there is room in the world for both (after all, evolution- and science in general - doesn't rule out a divine creator, nor does it require one). But then if you insist on believing in the literal accuracy of a document that has been translated numerous times (with different political and religious agendas each time), then it is necessary that science be wrong for the current translation to be the complete and absolute literal truth.

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                        Rob Graham wrote:

                        I would bet that very few of that 82% believe in Ilion's God the same way Iliion does.(or Ben Stein's God the way Ben Stein does)

                        Speaking ex cathedra from my navel I suspect that Ilidgit (and therefore his god who does pretty much exactly what Ilidgit tells him to) would consign most of that 82% to hell for doctrinal flaws.

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                        literal accuracy of a document that has been translated numerous times

                        There are *fools* who claim that Jesus didn't speak Elizabethan English. They are obviously >apostates< whose }heresy{ must be =stamped= out immediately. It may, @of@ course, be necessary to ^stamp^ out the fools, too.

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                          More pabulum for the rabble.


                          And when the sunlight hits the olive oil, don't hesitate.

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                          It's "P-A-B-L-U-M". Learn how to spell if you're going to use the word :-D Geez

                          John P.

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                            More pabulum for the rabble.


                            And when the sunlight hits the olive oil, don't hesitate.

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                            73Zeppelin wrote:

                            More pabulum for the rabble

                            I wonder who gave you a 1. I mean, I can understand not going higher than a 4 because of mixed metaphors, but . . . Anyway I balanced it.

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                              It's "P-A-B-L-U-M". Learn how to spell if you're going to use the word :-D Geez

                              John P.

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                              Merriam and Webster disagree with you[^]. :-D


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                                73Zeppelin wrote:

                                More pabulum for the rabble

                                I wonder who gave you a 1. I mean, I can understand not going higher than a 4 because of mixed metaphors, but . . . Anyway I balanced it.

                                Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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                                I'm sure it was either Assnan, or Ilidiot ... they're, like, my groupies or something. X|


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                                  Merriam and Webster disagree with you[^]. :-D


                                  And when the sunlight hits the olive oil, don't hesitate.

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                                  73Zeppelin wrote:

                                  Merriam and Webster disagree with you[^].

                                  With good reason. Pablum is a trademarked brand name that was deliberately misspelled. The product is presently owned by John Kerry's wife's company. IMHO, it makes great good sense for a woman who married two U.S. Senators to be offering for sale something called "Pablum."

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                                    I'm sure it was either Assnan, or Ilidiot ... they're, like, my groupies or something. X|


                                    And when the sunlight hits the olive oil, don't hesitate.

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                                    73Zeppelin wrote:

                                    they're, like, my groupies or something

                                    Makes sure you don't give them your home address. ;)

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                                      Wow, did I learn a lot! 1. Ben Stein, in addition to hosting gaming shows and selling eye wash, makes movies. 2. Darwin was responsible for the Holocaust! 3. Because Darwin never dealt with why cells evolve but only the fact that they do evolve, he was an atheist and is responsible for the Eugenics atrocities of the NAZIs. (It's not clear whether he is also responsible for Khan Noonien Singh and his cronies.) 4. People who do not like their work being plagiarized by Ben Stein are violating the First Amendment. 5. All you have to do to discover the true meaning of freedom (I bet you didn't even know you didn't know it) is visit the Jefferson and Washington Memorials and read the inscriptions* 6. Atheists all want to be God. Which, I guess, explains why they don't believe in Him...er...um...Does that mean they think they themselves don't exist??? 7. People who believe in the Theory of Evolution and reject the universe-was-created-4,927-years-ago-in-6-days-and-a-nap stuff are just like Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot. * You won't see the actual words that Jefferson wrote, by the way, but an edited-for-content version :) I wonder if Ben knew that. . .

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                                      Oakman wrote:

                                      2. Darwin was responsible for the Holocaust! 3. Because Darwin never dealt with why cells evolve but only the fact that they do evolve, he was an atheist and is responsible for the Eugenics atrocities of the NAZIs. (It's not clear whether he is also responsible for Khan Noonien Singh and his cronies.)

                                      Why is it when something the left embraces points in an inconvient direction, it is to be entirely ignored and erased from history, while at the same time every possible historic link between conservatism and every bad thing ever done trhough out history is carved in stone and promoted incessantly by every educational and media institution in our society?

                                      Please excuse my refusal to participate in the suicide of western civilization

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                                        This is fascinating: the creationists criticize "Darwinism" for drawing moral, social and political implications out of the Theory of Evolution (e.g.: Spencer's Social Darwinism, etc). But then what do they do? Exactly the same in another way: Materialism is a philosophy that holds that the only thing that can be proven to exist is matter. In general terms, Darwinism relies on materialism, to the exclusion of dualism, pluralism, and idealism. Intelligent Design, by contrast, relies on consciousness in the realm of phenomenal reality, to explain that which cannot be explained by matter. I don't care about "materialism vs. consciousness" bullshit. That's metaphysical crap that doesn't belong to science. Evolution is an observed fact, not metaphysics.


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                                        Diego Moita wrote:

                                        That's metaphysical crap that doesn't belong to science. Evolution is an observed fact, not metaphysics.

                                        So, not only is religion to be swept up into the dust bin of history,but so is every other possible competive philosophy? Wow, where is our respect for diversity?

                                        Please excuse my refusal to participate in the suicide of western civilization

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                                          Oakman wrote:

                                          2. Darwin was responsible for the Holocaust! 3. Because Darwin never dealt with why cells evolve but only the fact that they do evolve, he was an atheist and is responsible for the Eugenics atrocities of the NAZIs. (It's not clear whether he is also responsible for Khan Noonien Singh and his cronies.)

                                          Why is it when something the left embraces points in an inconvient direction, it is to be entirely ignored and erased from history, while at the same time every possible historic link between conservatism and every bad thing ever done trhough out history is carved in stone and promoted incessantly by every educational and media institution in our society?

                                          Please excuse my refusal to participate in the suicide of western civilization

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                                          Oakman
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                                          Stan Shannon wrote:

                                          Why is it when something the left embraces points in an inconvient direction, it is to be entirely ignored and erased from history, while at the same time every possible historic link between conservatism and every bad thing ever done trhough out history is carved in stone and promoted incessantly by every educational and media institution in our society?

                                          Got me, chief. I'm just telling you what I learned at Ilidgit's new favorite site. That where it says that Darwin is responsible for the NAZI eugenics experiements.

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