What do you think?
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What I think is simple - what is the fucking issue? (pun intended). If you [anyone] can't pull a woman, or a man, by just being yourself then it is you whom you are lying to, no-one else. Get over your ego and your continual fear of rejection. Sex is linked to friendship, and friendship is something that forms over personalities not drinks. If you want sex merely to satisfy your hormones then, mate, you need to be castrated as soon as possible.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
"You scratch my back and I'll piss on yours" - Scott McSquealy
David Wulff wrote: If you want sex merely to satisfy your hormones then, mate, you need to be castrated as soon as possible. Of course there are professionals he can visit who would take care of his desire for sex - for a fee of course. ;-) Michael :-) Look, try and use your intelligence, man, even if you are a politician. - The Doctor
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Paul Watson wrote this about me in a response to a thread about seduction: "But in my eyes, that is the saddest, most pathetic and most desperate way of seducing a woman I have ever heard of. Making yourself appear to have value through false emotional states, playing on the heart strings of women all to get laid, is sick. Perversity is not even close." I was very upset when I read that, because I think using seduction techniques is not unethical or harmful in anyway. All I'm doing is helping a woman feel great, and providing a very special connection that most females rarely have. Just because I read about it online and studied seduction as if it were programming, doesn't mean it is pathetic or sad. Before I studied the methods behind emotional states, I rarely found girlfriends because I was to technical, logical, and practical. These are the exact opposites of what to be, I now know. I feel that these techniques have enabled me to get in touch with, and connect to women in a way my analytical mind found silly before. So my question to you guys is, am I *really* wrong in what I'm doing? BTW here is the original link: Watson
Martin Marvinski wrote: Paul Watson wrote this about me in a response to a thread about seduction: "But in my eyes, that is the saddest, most pathetic and most desperate way of seducing a woman I have ever heard of. Making yourself appear to have value through false emotional states, playing on the heart strings of women all to get laid, is sick. Perversity is not even close." I wonder what kind of people Paul hangs around with, because I've known so many blokes who use this kind of technique. Maybe it's just an Northern England cultural thing. Got to agree though that it is pretty poor thing to do. You'd have to be pretty desperate to get laid to use techniques like these - but maybe I'm a little old fashioned in my approach to women. Martin Marvinski wrote: Before I studied the methods behind emotional states, I rarely found girlfriends because I was to technical, logical, and practical A common failing in lots of computer programmers. A guy I work with was going out to an office leaving do. He spent the afternoon on the Internet researching ways of talking to girls. - He's a Foxpro programmer, so that probably explains it :-D Relax, be yourself and have fun. When you can do that, you'll find that you can have more fulfilling relationships and much better sex. Martin, have you ever seen a therapist? You come across as a very strange person, either that or you're a very good troll. Michael :-) Look, try and use your intelligence, man, even if you are a politician. - The Doctor
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Paul Watson wrote this about me in a response to a thread about seduction: "But in my eyes, that is the saddest, most pathetic and most desperate way of seducing a woman I have ever heard of. Making yourself appear to have value through false emotional states, playing on the heart strings of women all to get laid, is sick. Perversity is not even close." I was very upset when I read that, because I think using seduction techniques is not unethical or harmful in anyway. All I'm doing is helping a woman feel great, and providing a very special connection that most females rarely have. Just because I read about it online and studied seduction as if it were programming, doesn't mean it is pathetic or sad. Before I studied the methods behind emotional states, I rarely found girlfriends because I was to technical, logical, and practical. These are the exact opposites of what to be, I now know. I feel that these techniques have enabled me to get in touch with, and connect to women in a way my analytical mind found silly before. So my question to you guys is, am I *really* wrong in what I'm doing? BTW here is the original link: Watson
Talking a member of the opposite sex into a shag by being someone you aren't is a time honoured tradition and it's not going to go out of style anytime soon. In a way everyone does it when they meet someone they are keen on - either by accentuating good features, hiding flaws, being especially cheerful when in general they may be more low key, etc. BUT: doing this to stand out from the crowd a little and get the object of your affections to be interested in discovering more about you with the goal of something long term is totally different from using it to get laid. Apart from saving wear and tear on your right hand what is the point of getting someone into bed via a farce that you won't be able to keep up? To score points? To make yourself feel attractive? To convince yourself that time isn't grinding forwards with the inevitability of the tides (or that, to stretch an analogy, the tide isn't going out - hair-wise - as fast as you fear)? A mate of mine calls it a 'fancy wank' - using someone for sex merely to have the physical company. All you're doing is either having meaningless physical relations (and if that's what you want, then fine, but bragging about is so High school) or creating a string disasters. If you're doing it to land a relationship then forget it. The slow decline of her opinion of you as the farce wears down is going to make you feel 10 times worse than if you'd simply stayed single. [Edit: And I can't believe I'm even being sucked into this argument] cheers, Chris Maunder
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David Wulff wrote: Sex is linked to friendship No it isn't, trust me. When a woman says "I want to be your friend", you are not getting laid!!! David Wulff wrote: Get over your ego and your continual fear of rejection. I approach more women than most guys. I also have a great skill in eliciting emotional states in women, and they :love: it. David Wulff wrote: If you want sex merely to satisfy your hormones then, mate, you need to be castrated as soon as possible. Me and the rest of mankind. You would do what I do if you had my experience of spending Friday nights alone for years. I finally got sick of being lonely, so I took the initiative and improved my game so I'm successful about 70% of the time. BTW I love the look of complete infatuation that women get after I talk to them for a while using NLP.
Martin Marvinski wrote: No it isn't, trust me. When a woman says "I want to be your friend", you are not getting laid!!! If you want to get laid and you don't have a partner - go find a mirror and masturbate. How do you make friends? I should hope you do so by just being yourself and the two personalities "click". Playing a woman and lying to yourself just for unemotional sex is wrong, wrong, wrong - moreso for yourself than for the other party. you said it yourself "I finally got sick of being lonely, so I took the initiative and improved my game" - I doubt you even know how not to play it that way now, and that is S.A.D. If you want to have straight-up sex, ask for it - it's not only men who want it you know - just don't use deception. Martin Marvinski wrote: Me and the rest of mankind As Michael has said, that is what prositutes are for. Others commit rape. At least then you are not acting out some fake emotional state -- it is you who loses by lying to yourself, no-one else.
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
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Paul Watson wrote this about me in a response to a thread about seduction: "But in my eyes, that is the saddest, most pathetic and most desperate way of seducing a woman I have ever heard of. Making yourself appear to have value through false emotional states, playing on the heart strings of women all to get laid, is sick. Perversity is not even close." I was very upset when I read that, because I think using seduction techniques is not unethical or harmful in anyway. All I'm doing is helping a woman feel great, and providing a very special connection that most females rarely have. Just because I read about it online and studied seduction as if it were programming, doesn't mean it is pathetic or sad. Before I studied the methods behind emotional states, I rarely found girlfriends because I was to technical, logical, and practical. These are the exact opposites of what to be, I now know. I feel that these techniques have enabled me to get in touch with, and connect to women in a way my analytical mind found silly before. So my question to you guys is, am I *really* wrong in what I'm doing? BTW here is the original link: Watson
Martin Marvinski wrote: All I'm doing is helping a woman feel great, and providing a very special connection that most females rarely have. Who the hell are you kidding??!! Any woman can get "your" kind of connection and get laid whenever they want. Don't ever try to make it sound like you're doing them a service. Pathetic, simply pathetic.
Mike Mullikin - I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals. Sir Winston Churchill
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Paul Watson wrote this about me in a response to a thread about seduction: "But in my eyes, that is the saddest, most pathetic and most desperate way of seducing a woman I have ever heard of. Making yourself appear to have value through false emotional states, playing on the heart strings of women all to get laid, is sick. Perversity is not even close." I was very upset when I read that, because I think using seduction techniques is not unethical or harmful in anyway. All I'm doing is helping a woman feel great, and providing a very special connection that most females rarely have. Just because I read about it online and studied seduction as if it were programming, doesn't mean it is pathetic or sad. Before I studied the methods behind emotional states, I rarely found girlfriends because I was to technical, logical, and practical. These are the exact opposites of what to be, I now know. I feel that these techniques have enabled me to get in touch with, and connect to women in a way my analytical mind found silly before. So my question to you guys is, am I *really* wrong in what I'm doing? BTW here is the original link: Watson
I agree with this, but I also think you're fooling yourself. Helping people feel good one night at a time is great, but like Chris said you are acting High Schoolish. So much in fact, I'd be willing to believe you're lying about it. Martin Marvinski wrote: and providing a very special connection that most females rarely have Girls start having sex this day and age around 13. Believe me, they get connected a lot. If it's not your dick in 'em, it'll be another guy's. You have a better chance at winning the lottery than finding a virgin. [edit] Oh, and I know I've said things like caring for girls in cases supporting my lifestyle too, but I think you are talking of something different because I don't mistake my acts for love or something equivalent. [/edit] Jeremy Falcon Imputek "..." - Paul Watson 07-17
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I agree with this, but I also think you're fooling yourself. Helping people feel good one night at a time is great, but like Chris said you are acting High Schoolish. So much in fact, I'd be willing to believe you're lying about it. Martin Marvinski wrote: and providing a very special connection that most females rarely have Girls start having sex this day and age around 13. Believe me, they get connected a lot. If it's not your dick in 'em, it'll be another guy's. You have a better chance at winning the lottery than finding a virgin. [edit] Oh, and I know I've said things like caring for girls in cases supporting my lifestyle too, but I think you are talking of something different because I don't mistake my acts for love or something equivalent. [/edit] Jeremy Falcon Imputek "..." - Paul Watson 07-17
Jeremy Falcon wrote: Believe me, they get connected a lot. If it's not your dick in 'em, it'll be another guy's. I don't believe that. I can't believe that. Do you know how hard I tried to get into a woman's pants? Believe me, I tried acting cool, but that didn't work. I tried being a "bad boy", and that didn't work. This was the first lay technique that I could use successfully. I think you can't see it from my perspective because you are much better looking then I am. Women probably come on to you often, and therefore you can't see how life is for someone in my position. Good looking guys like you get the majority of women, while we who look horrible sit at home. You haven't lived life from my perspective as an ugly guy, so for you every girl may want to sleep with you so your perception is that all women are sluts(which is definatly not the case when it comes to sleeping with short, thin balding guys).
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Believe me, they get connected a lot. If it's not your dick in 'em, it'll be another guy's. I don't believe that. I can't believe that. Do you know how hard I tried to get into a woman's pants? Believe me, I tried acting cool, but that didn't work. I tried being a "bad boy", and that didn't work. This was the first lay technique that I could use successfully. I think you can't see it from my perspective because you are much better looking then I am. Women probably come on to you often, and therefore you can't see how life is for someone in my position. Good looking guys like you get the majority of women, while we who look horrible sit at home. You haven't lived life from my perspective as an ugly guy, so for you every girl may want to sleep with you so your perception is that all women are sluts(which is definatly not the case when it comes to sleeping with short, thin balding guys).
Martin Marvinski wrote: This was the first lay technique that I could use successfully. Ok, go for it! I'm not even saying it's bad. Maybe other CPians are, but you and I both know if they believed they'd get their dicks wet with it - then they'd use it too. Face it - everyone wants sex. Some just attach "bindings" to it to secure their piece of pie do to their own feelings about themselves. But, I'm not about to get into a psychoanalytical/being hypocritical debate about the words of the other CPians. About this whole NLP thing... go for it! Who cares if you're doing it subconsciously or consciously? Martin Marvinski wrote: I think you can't see it from my perspective because you are much better looking then I am. Um, yes I can. And, thanks for the compliment, but I'm not going to have sex with you! ;P Martin Marvinski wrote: You haven't lived life from my perspective as an ugly guy Ha! You don't know my past as well as some CPians do apparently. I spent five years as a fat blob without women all over me. I had friends that were girls, but none of them wanted me sexually. I weighed 337 lbs for Christ's sake! So, I know what it's like to be on both sides of the fence. Martin Marvinski wrote: which is definatly not the case when it comes to sleeping with short, thin balding guys Newsflash! You have money! 99.9% of women like money and want a man with it! Think about it. We all have our tools and devices to attract women. Use what you got! Show 'em a good time and get 'em off afterwards/during! I'm just saying don't act so high schoolish about all of this. If you want to talk about this stuff then great, but let's do so in an educational manner instead of bragging or whinning. Agreed? Jeremy Falcon Imputek "..." - Paul Watson 07-17
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Martin Marvinski wrote: Paul Watson wrote this about me in a response to a thread about seduction: "But in my eyes, that is the saddest, most pathetic and most desperate way of seducing a woman I have ever heard of. Making yourself appear to have value through false emotional states, playing on the heart strings of women all to get laid, is sick. Perversity is not even close." I wonder what kind of people Paul hangs around with, because I've known so many blokes who use this kind of technique. Maybe it's just an Northern England cultural thing. Got to agree though that it is pretty poor thing to do. You'd have to be pretty desperate to get laid to use techniques like these - but maybe I'm a little old fashioned in my approach to women. Martin Marvinski wrote: Before I studied the methods behind emotional states, I rarely found girlfriends because I was to technical, logical, and practical A common failing in lots of computer programmers. A guy I work with was going out to an office leaving do. He spent the afternoon on the Internet researching ways of talking to girls. - He's a Foxpro programmer, so that probably explains it :-D Relax, be yourself and have fun. When you can do that, you'll find that you can have more fulfilling relationships and much better sex. Martin, have you ever seen a therapist? You come across as a very strange person, either that or you're a very good troll. Michael :-) Look, try and use your intelligence, man, even if you are a politician. - The Doctor
Michael P Butler wrote: I wonder what kind of people Paul hangs around with, because I've known so many blokes who use this kind of technique. Maybe it's just an Northern England cultural thing. Nope, I used to hang around the exact kind of guys who would do any trick in the book to get a girl to like them and so into bed. Which is exactly why I find it so perverse and pathetic, I have seen it in action and seen the consequences, not just on the girl but also on the guy in the long run. I will admit I tried to be what a girl wanted and not what I was, but I suck at acting and most of the time the girl told me just to relax and be myself. Most times once I took their advice things went better. The times it didn't, she was not worth it and on retrospect I was glad nothing actually happened. I guess I just really, really hate seeing the worst traits of us men, the ones women harp on about all the time, being advocated and practised intentionally by other guys. It gives me a bad rap and it ends up in that guy not only hurting someone (and then laughing about and bragging to his buddies) but also himself. He thinks he is having fun getting laid left right and center, but a few years down the line, when everyone else has moved on, gotten serious, fallen in love, he is stuck trying to bang an ex-con at a singles bar who has I Wasn't Always Called Sheila tatooed on her ass. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge Alison Pentland wrote: I now have an image of you in front of the mirror in the morning, wearing your knickers, socks and shoes trying to decided if they match!
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Chris Losinger wrote: if you're only in it to score then move on, then the answer is still YES, but for a different reason OK, I don't get it. :confused: Is it my looks? Is it the fact that a balding weak and wimpy guy can talk his way into a beautiful woman's pants that makes it wrong in your eyes?
Martin Marvinski wrote: Is it my looks? Is it the fact that a balding weak and wimpy guy can talk his way into a beautiful woman's pants that makes it wrong in your eyes? Woody Allen can get virtually any woman into bed, and he is about as balding, weak and wimpy looking as they come. But I have no problems with him getting laid often. Me thinking NLP is sad has nothing to do with looks. If that were the case I would be on your side actually, as I am hardly Brad Pitt and have had my fair share of going home alone. My problem is that you are decieving women for sex and thinking you are doing them and you good. Yes sex is wonderful. It is healing and good. It helps people to connect, share and grow closer together. It is about the physical and emotional/mental release. Not just the physical. You actually think (from reading your other posts) that you are doing women a favour by decieving them. You are creating an environment based on a lie in which you think a woman can be truly happy. Does that not strike you as wrong? If a women seduced me with her charms and then the next morning, or a week later or whenever, I found out who she really was... I would be mortified. I would feel sick inside by being duped and I would feel sick that she can perpetuate such a lie. You know what the most twisted part is? Even if she finds out who you really are, and that person you really are is a great person, she will hate you. Because you lied to her. You broke her trust, you abused her love. Martin you are covering up your supposed inadequacies with a false layer. Maybe you really are fucked up, maybe you aren't. I will bet you are like every other desperate teenager out there. I was one, but thankfully I came to terms with who I am (and found love through that) before I screwed up my life and other peoples lives. I realised I was not ugly, that I was not stupid and that a woman could love me for who I am. There is nothing better than to reveal all you are to someone, and have them love you for it. Imagine making love to a woman you love, who loves you, every night without lying to her? Without having to keep up a constant charade. It is heaven Martin, and the sooner you find it the better. But NLP is not the way, being yourself is. Sure you get less wick-dipping time, but the wick-dipping you do get is infinitley better than 10000 sleazy, back-room fucks you thought were great, but weren't. Stop hurting others, but most importantly, stop hurting yourself. r
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Martin Marvinski wrote: Is it my looks? Is it the fact that a balding weak and wimpy guy can talk his way into a beautiful woman's pants that makes it wrong in your eyes? Woody Allen can get virtually any woman into bed, and he is about as balding, weak and wimpy looking as they come. But I have no problems with him getting laid often. Me thinking NLP is sad has nothing to do with looks. If that were the case I would be on your side actually, as I am hardly Brad Pitt and have had my fair share of going home alone. My problem is that you are decieving women for sex and thinking you are doing them and you good. Yes sex is wonderful. It is healing and good. It helps people to connect, share and grow closer together. It is about the physical and emotional/mental release. Not just the physical. You actually think (from reading your other posts) that you are doing women a favour by decieving them. You are creating an environment based on a lie in which you think a woman can be truly happy. Does that not strike you as wrong? If a women seduced me with her charms and then the next morning, or a week later or whenever, I found out who she really was... I would be mortified. I would feel sick inside by being duped and I would feel sick that she can perpetuate such a lie. You know what the most twisted part is? Even if she finds out who you really are, and that person you really are is a great person, she will hate you. Because you lied to her. You broke her trust, you abused her love. Martin you are covering up your supposed inadequacies with a false layer. Maybe you really are fucked up, maybe you aren't. I will bet you are like every other desperate teenager out there. I was one, but thankfully I came to terms with who I am (and found love through that) before I screwed up my life and other peoples lives. I realised I was not ugly, that I was not stupid and that a woman could love me for who I am. There is nothing better than to reveal all you are to someone, and have them love you for it. Imagine making love to a woman you love, who loves you, every night without lying to her? Without having to keep up a constant charade. It is heaven Martin, and the sooner you find it the better. But NLP is not the way, being yourself is. Sure you get less wick-dipping time, but the wick-dipping you do get is infinitley better than 10000 sleazy, back-room fucks you thought were great, but weren't. Stop hurting others, but most importantly, stop hurting yourself. r
Paul Watson wrote: I will bet you are like every other desperate teenager out there I was born in 1973, so I'm not a teenager anymore technically.