Wired article
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There was an article on cyber squatting in Wired.com, and they reported on how an anti-abortionist activist redirects www.teenswire.com to his abortion site. I went to that address, and I must say he converted me... Those fetuses look just like newborns. If you go to that site, be warned it is very graphic and not work safe.
I bet a cult would just love you, everything you see and hear you tend to get converted by... however you do seem to see sense after a few weeks, or at least you did with all that Christianity stuff ;-) Michael :-) Look, try and use your intelligence, man, even if you are a politician. - The Doctor
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[serious] Haven't checked the website, but I have seen plenty of bottled fetuses in labs and still-borns being autopsied. Definitions between fertilized-egg - embryo - fetus - baby - person are a load of crap to me. Just meaningless words used by people. As far as I'm concerned if I can't determine the differences, then no one else can. I'm Anti the abortion "industry" similar to what the USA has. Natural abortion occurs for a number of reasons and is a totally separate issue. However there is an interesting correlation between abortion eligibility and lowering crime statistics in the USA. [/serious] Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus
The thing to me is that the issue is so not 'black and white'. Am I against abortion ? Yes. Do I have the right to impose my will on a girl who has been raped ? No. Do I have the right to impose my will on any member of society ? No. I am astounded at the hypocrisy of people in the US who kill abortion doctors. Beyond that, would they rather an unwanted child is raised to know that it was not wanted, and at some point their kids go to school with this (through no fault of their own ) maladjusted individual ? More to the point, they won't BE at school, they will be robbing someone at knifepoint. Christian come on all you MS suckups, defend your sugar-daddy now. - Chris Losinger - 11/07/2002
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The thing to me is that the issue is so not 'black and white'. Am I against abortion ? Yes. Do I have the right to impose my will on a girl who has been raped ? No. Do I have the right to impose my will on any member of society ? No. I am astounded at the hypocrisy of people in the US who kill abortion doctors. Beyond that, would they rather an unwanted child is raised to know that it was not wanted, and at some point their kids go to school with this (through no fault of their own ) maladjusted individual ? More to the point, they won't BE at school, they will be robbing someone at knifepoint. Christian come on all you MS suckups, defend your sugar-daddy now. - Chris Losinger - 11/07/2002
Christian Graus wrote: I am astounded at the hypocrisy of people in the US who kill abortion doctors. Unfortunately the vocal (and disturbed) minority do not speak for the majority of us that are pro-life. I am against the killing of innocent people; however I am for the death penalty. I would like to see a change in law though so that unmistakable proof of guilt has to be given (DNA or audio/video of the act). James "Java is free - and worth every penny." - Christian Graus
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OT: What I like most about fox hunting is the heritage of conserving the environment for future generations, as well as the bonds between man, horse and beagle to the land. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus
Colin Davies wrote: What I like most about fox hunting is the heritage of conserving the environment for future generations :omg: Right - so those idiots who released foxes into the Australian wildnerness so they'd have something to hunt on a quiet Sunday afternoon were conserving the environment for future generations? Clearly then the idiot who let loose the rabbits was probably thinking the same thing. cheers, Chris Maunder
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Christian Graus wrote: I am astounded at the hypocrisy of people in the US who kill abortion doctors. Unfortunately the vocal (and disturbed) minority do not speak for the majority of us that are pro-life. I am against the killing of innocent people; however I am for the death penalty. I would like to see a change in law though so that unmistakable proof of guilt has to be given (DNA or audio/video of the act). James "Java is free - and worth every penny." - Christian Graus
IMHO: Liberals like you should have your eligibility to vote denied and be sent over the border to Canada or Mexico when you are seen whelping. The US was built on strong characters, and hanging folk even when they are innocent is the price you must pay for having a good sheriff in town, who doesn't take crap from gutless inbred urbanites. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus
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Christian Graus wrote: I am astounded at the hypocrisy of people in the US who kill abortion doctors. Unfortunately the vocal (and disturbed) minority do not speak for the majority of us that are pro-life. I am against the killing of innocent people; however I am for the death penalty. I would like to see a change in law though so that unmistakable proof of guilt has to be given (DNA or audio/video of the act). James "Java is free - and worth every penny." - Christian Graus
James T. Johnson wrote: Unfortunately the vocal (and disturbed) minority do not speak for the majority Isn't that always the way, though ? Christian come on all you MS suckups, defend your sugar-daddy now. - Chris Losinger - 11/07/2002
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Colin Davies wrote: What I like most about fox hunting is the heritage of conserving the environment for future generations :omg: Right - so those idiots who released foxes into the Australian wildnerness so they'd have something to hunt on a quiet Sunday afternoon were conserving the environment for future generations? Clearly then the idiot who let loose the rabbits was probably thinking the same thing. cheers, Chris Maunder
I was discussing Pommieland not the wasteland sometimes called Oztralia. :-) I don't see how you are blending in bio-security issues into a cultural debate. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus
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I was discussing Pommieland not the wasteland sometimes called Oztralia. :-) I don't see how you are blending in bio-security issues into a cultural debate. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus
Colin Davies wrote: I don't see how you are blending in bio-security issues into a cultural debate. Easy - I took a statement from one context and placed in a totally different context. :D cheers, Chris Maunder
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IMHO: Liberals like you should have your eligibility to vote denied and be sent over the border to Canada or Mexico when you are seen whelping. The US was built on strong characters, and hanging folk even when they are innocent is the price you must pay for having a good sheriff in town, who doesn't take crap from gutless inbred urbanites. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus
Which part of that made me a liberal? As Christian pointed out there is a great hypocrisy for saying one is pro-life but then turn around and kill someone because of their job. It is also hypocritic to kill someone via the death-penalty. That is why I said 'innocent' people. I'm not against the death penalty; but since the Harvard (?) law students are setting people free by use of DNA evidence, we should also use that as a means to give the death penalty. There are many people on death-row that should be there. Perhaps I should have widened my death penalty guidelines to mean 'when there is no doubt that the guilty did it'. Then again, in order to be found guilty it has to be a unanimous decision by the jury anyway so it seems that its just over-doing it. If you couldn't tell I hadn't thought this completely through before; I've only gone as far as justifying it with the law students. Thanks Colin, I think its time to retract that bit. ;) Now if we could get all jails/prisons to implement that Arizona sherrif's jail system of chain gangs and labor work. :rolleyes: James "Java is free - and worth every penny." - Christian Graus
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James T. Johnson wrote: Unfortunately the vocal (and disturbed) minority do not speak for the majority Isn't that always the way, though ? Christian come on all you MS suckups, defend your sugar-daddy now. - Chris Losinger - 11/07/2002
Christian Graus wrote: Isn't that always the way, though ? Unfortunately :(( James "Java is free - and worth every penny." - Christian Graus
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Colin Davies wrote: I don't see how you are blending in bio-security issues into a cultural debate. Easy - I took a statement from one context and placed in a totally different context. :D cheers, Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote: Easy - I took a statement from one context and placed in a totally different context. Darn, I must remember to play by your rules. :-D Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus
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Which part of that made me a liberal? As Christian pointed out there is a great hypocrisy for saying one is pro-life but then turn around and kill someone because of their job. It is also hypocritic to kill someone via the death-penalty. That is why I said 'innocent' people. I'm not against the death penalty; but since the Harvard (?) law students are setting people free by use of DNA evidence, we should also use that as a means to give the death penalty. There are many people on death-row that should be there. Perhaps I should have widened my death penalty guidelines to mean 'when there is no doubt that the guilty did it'. Then again, in order to be found guilty it has to be a unanimous decision by the jury anyway so it seems that its just over-doing it. If you couldn't tell I hadn't thought this completely through before; I've only gone as far as justifying it with the law students. Thanks Colin, I think its time to retract that bit. ;) Now if we could get all jails/prisons to implement that Arizona sherrif's jail system of chain gangs and labor work. :rolleyes: James "Java is free - and worth every penny." - Christian Graus
James T. Johnson wrote: Perhaps I should have widened my death penalty guidelines to mean 'when there is no doubt that the guilty did it'. IMHO, you've hit the nail on the head there. Even if they didn't actually do it, there's a good chance that they're still guilty. So they may get punished for the *wrong* crime; it'll all come out in the wash eventually...
Shog9 --
Maybe Java is kind of like God, it "works in mysterious ways". It seems like your apps are running slowly, because in the backgroud Java is solving world hunger, or finding the cure to cancer. - Ryan Johnston, Don't die java!
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Which part of that made me a liberal? As Christian pointed out there is a great hypocrisy for saying one is pro-life but then turn around and kill someone because of their job. It is also hypocritic to kill someone via the death-penalty. That is why I said 'innocent' people. I'm not against the death penalty; but since the Harvard (?) law students are setting people free by use of DNA evidence, we should also use that as a means to give the death penalty. There are many people on death-row that should be there. Perhaps I should have widened my death penalty guidelines to mean 'when there is no doubt that the guilty did it'. Then again, in order to be found guilty it has to be a unanimous decision by the jury anyway so it seems that its just over-doing it. If you couldn't tell I hadn't thought this completely through before; I've only gone as far as justifying it with the law students. Thanks Colin, I think its time to retract that bit. ;) Now if we could get all jails/prisons to implement that Arizona sherrif's jail system of chain gangs and labor work. :rolleyes: James "Java is free - and worth every penny." - Christian Graus
James T. Johnson wrote: Now if we could get all jails/prisons to implement that Arizona sherrif's jail system of chain gangs and labor work Have you seen the bright pink underwear Sheriff Arpaiao makes them wear? And the tents they're required to live in? Prison isn't supposed to be a vacation, and Sheriff Joe makes sure that his inmates know it.:-D I'm a Frisbeeterian. We believe that when you die your soul is thrown up on the roof, and you can't get it down.
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Colin Davies wrote: What I like most about fox hunting is the heritage of conserving the environment for future generations :omg: Right - so those idiots who released foxes into the Australian wildnerness so they'd have something to hunt on a quiet Sunday afternoon were conserving the environment for future generations? Clearly then the idiot who let loose the rabbits was probably thinking the same thing. cheers, Chris Maunder
Don't think of them as rabbits, per se, but more as fox food:-D I'm a Frisbeeterian. We believe that when you die your soul is thrown up on the roof, and you can't get it down.
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Colin Davies wrote: I don't see how you are blending in bio-security issues into a cultural debate. Easy - I took a statement from one context and placed in a totally different context. :D cheers, Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote: I took a statement from one context and placed in a totally different context Have you considered a career in journalism? I'm a Frisbeeterian. We believe that when you die your soul is thrown up on the roof, and you can't get it down.
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IMHO: Liberals like you should have your eligibility to vote denied and be sent over the border to Canada or Mexico when you are seen whelping. The US was built on strong characters, and hanging folk even when they are innocent is the price you must pay for having a good sheriff in town, who doesn't take crap from gutless inbred urbanites. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus
Maybe it's a good idea to hang everyone that's arrested since the police and the government are good guys and always right!!!
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James T. Johnson wrote: Now if we could get all jails/prisons to implement that Arizona sherrif's jail system of chain gangs and labor work Have you seen the bright pink underwear Sheriff Arpaiao makes them wear? And the tents they're required to live in? Prison isn't supposed to be a vacation, and Sheriff Joe makes sure that his inmates know it.:-D I'm a Frisbeeterian. We believe that when you die your soul is thrown up on the roof, and you can't get it down.
Roger Wright wrote: Have you seen the bright pink underwear Sheriff Arpaiao makes them wear? Thats the best part! :) My mom is a lieutenant at one of the prisons near here. She said at one of the parole hearings a prisoner pleaded not to be set free because he'd just commit another crime to wind up back in prison. Prisoners really have it too easy now. They get 3 meals a day, a warm bed, showers (guarded), and clothing. They also get free education or a minor job, but not to help pay for what they already get, they get money that they can spend in a store for personal items. X| James "Java is free - and worth every penny." - Christian Graus
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[serious] Haven't checked the website, but I have seen plenty of bottled fetuses in labs and still-borns being autopsied. Definitions between fertilized-egg - embryo - fetus - baby - person are a load of crap to me. Just meaningless words used by people. As far as I'm concerned if I can't determine the differences, then no one else can. I'm Anti the abortion "industry" similar to what the USA has. Natural abortion occurs for a number of reasons and is a totally separate issue. However there is an interesting correlation between abortion eligibility and lowering crime statistics in the USA. [/serious] Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus
Colin Davies wrote: I'm Anti the abortion "industry" similar to what the USA has. How did this turn into a US issue? Women have been giving themselves or getting abortions for centuries all over the planet. What? Suddenly, it's only an American problem??
Mike Mullikin - I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals. Sir Winston Churchill
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The thing to me is that the issue is so not 'black and white'. Am I against abortion ? Yes. Do I have the right to impose my will on a girl who has been raped ? No. Do I have the right to impose my will on any member of society ? No. I am astounded at the hypocrisy of people in the US who kill abortion doctors. Beyond that, would they rather an unwanted child is raised to know that it was not wanted, and at some point their kids go to school with this (through no fault of their own ) maladjusted individual ? More to the point, they won't BE at school, they will be robbing someone at knifepoint. Christian come on all you MS suckups, defend your sugar-daddy now. - Chris Losinger - 11/07/2002
Christian Graus wrote: I am astounded at the hypocrisy of people in the US who kill abortion doctors. What about the hypocrisy of non-Americans who kill abortion doctors? Does that astound you as well??
Mike Mullikin - I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals. Sir Winston Churchill
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Colin Davies wrote: I'm Anti the abortion "industry" similar to what the USA has. How did this turn into a US issue? Women have been giving themselves or getting abortions for centuries all over the planet. What? Suddenly, it's only an American problem??
Mike Mullikin - I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals. Sir Winston Churchill
The word similar is an indication that I am including the USA in my grouping, not that I'm calling this an American only issue. Mike Mullikin wrote: Women have been giving themselves or getting abortions for centuries all over the planet Also, note I was talking about the *industry* not about women giving themselves abortions. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I am sick of fighting with Martin, I think I will ignore his posts from here on in, and spend the time working on articles instead. Christian Graus