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Thomas Stockwell wrote:
but if you just take some of the reasons for why the religion was first formed then I believe that it is a good source (and mild comic relief)
Yes, because obviously Christians deserve no sort of respect. I mean, its not like they are gay or black or something - you know, people deserving of not being made fun of. I am happy to see that modern children are being indoctrinated so completely into humanist theology.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Yes, because obviously Christians deserve no sort of respect. I mean, its not like they are gay or black or something - you know, people deserving of not being made fun of. I am happy to see that modern children are being indoctrinated so completely into humanist theology.
He was talking (legitimately) about Pastafarians. Reactionary much?
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Yes, because obviously Christians deserve no sort of respect. I mean, its not like they are gay or black or something - you know, people deserving of not being made fun of. I am happy to see that modern children are being indoctrinated so completely into humanist theology.
He was talking (legitimately) about Pastafarians. Reactionary much?
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Fisticuffs wrote:
Reactionary much?
Of course. Challanging established, elitist orthodoxy is reactionary by definition.
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I am writing an argumentative compiled research report on 'Creationism should not be taught in schools' for my High School, and one of my sources is Pastafarianism or the church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster[^]. I am curious as to the view points of Pastafarianism in this community, or if any one has heard of it at all. [This post is not to argue about the Creationism topic previously mentioned, please stick with viewpoints on Pastafarianism. I know this may spark controversy which is why I posted this in the Soapbox, but as said please stick with Pastafarianism] [Edit: If posting regarding the relevance of the pastafarian religion in my paper, please refer to my answers to the responses of this initial post. I do however thank those that have already shown concern for the matter.]
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modified on Saturday, May 3, 2008 12:29 PM
Generally speaking, this kind of writing is as hard as it gets. Satire in the hands of a master like Jonathan Swift results in a brilliant piece of work that outlasts its inspiration. In the hands of a competent author like Mel Brooks it becomes Parody and provides great entertainment, although it is seldom called thought-provoking. In the hands of an amateur, it staggers like a drunken sailor, veering between insulting its audience and arousing sympathy for its target. Good Luck!
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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I am writing an argumentative compiled research report on 'Creationism should not be taught in schools' for my High School, and one of my sources is Pastafarianism or the church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster[^]. I am curious as to the view points of Pastafarianism in this community, or if any one has heard of it at all. [This post is not to argue about the Creationism topic previously mentioned, please stick with viewpoints on Pastafarianism. I know this may spark controversy which is why I posted this in the Soapbox, but as said please stick with Pastafarianism] [Edit: If posting regarding the relevance of the pastafarian religion in my paper, please refer to my answers to the responses of this initial post. I do however thank those that have already shown concern for the matter.]
Regards, Thomas Stockwell Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. Visit my homepage Oracle Studios[^]
modified on Saturday, May 3, 2008 12:29 PM
Thomas Stockwell wrote:
I am curious as to the view points of Pastafarianism in this community, or if any one has heard of it at all.
I love it. What a fun and well thought out parody.
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long
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Thomas Stockwell wrote:
but if you just take some of the reasons for why the religion was first formed then I believe that it is a good source (and mild comic relief)
Yes, because obviously Christians deserve no sort of respect. I mean, its not like they are gay or black or something - you know, people deserving of not being made fun of. I am happy to see that modern children are being indoctrinated so completely into humanist theology.
Please excuse my refusal to participate in the suicide of western civilization
The whole idea around Pastafarianism is that equality should be maintained in all endeavors amongst all religions. I do admit it is a parody religion, and that it does have some extremes or lines that were crossed. The point being missed is why the religion was created. Pastafarianism is only meant to emphasize the equality of all religions. And I do not believe that Pastafarianism can be compared to racism or any other type of discrimination. Modern children are not indoctrinated into humanist theology. Every child is unique and every child has a right to believe in what they believe. It seems like some of the main issues with regards to this view [children being indoctrinated in humanist theology] is that the next generation of humans (the kids of today) have the freedom and right to question what past generations have been forcing upon them for years. The children of today are more open-minded and are striving to modernize the world society in hopes of uniting for a single cause. Every single person has the right to practice whatever religion they choose, and they should be able to take school courses with regards to whatever they religion they choose, but I do not believe that a religious viewpoint (that is faith based) should be forced upon students who do not wish to be taught as such.
Regards, Thomas Stockwell Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. Visit my homepage Oracle Studios[^]
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Generally speaking, this kind of writing is as hard as it gets. Satire in the hands of a master like Jonathan Swift results in a brilliant piece of work that outlasts its inspiration. In the hands of a competent author like Mel Brooks it becomes Parody and provides great entertainment, although it is seldom called thought-provoking. In the hands of an amateur, it staggers like a drunken sailor, veering between insulting its audience and arousing sympathy for its target. Good Luck!
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Pastafarianism is almost purely meant for entertainment, and I do not take any of it seriously. What I do take seriously is the reason behind the creation of such a religion to challenge issues of modern day.
Regards, Thomas Stockwell Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. Visit my homepage Oracle Studios[^]
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Well, for my report I am making the argument that: If creationism does want to have equal time along with evolutionism in the public school system, then creationism needs to be not religion specific. Creationism, if ever taught, must keep all religions in mind. As for citing anonymous posters, I am only making citations for the Open Letter to the school board and the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, both of which were created by Bobby Henderson. [And yes, I am basically just posting this as an opinion poll. Over the past hour I have written the research paragraph on pastafarianism and I am very satisfied as to how I am implementing this. FYI, I do choose my wording very carefully.]
Regards, Thomas Stockwell Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. Visit my homepage Oracle Studios[^]
modified on Saturday, May 3, 2008 12:30 PM
Thomas Stockwell wrote:
Creationism, if ever taught, must keep all religions in mind.
I thought ID was a way of pretending to do that, and trusting that people would assume the Christian God was the one under discussion ?
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Pastafarianism is almost purely meant for entertainment, and I do not take any of it seriously. What I do take seriously is the reason behind the creation of such a religion to challenge issues of modern day.
Regards, Thomas Stockwell Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. Visit my homepage Oracle Studios[^]
Thomas Stockwell wrote:
What I do take seriously is the reason behind the creation of such a religion to challenge issues of modern day.
Pick your battles. Try to fight the ones you can win and duck the ones you can't.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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The whole idea around Pastafarianism is that equality should be maintained in all endeavors amongst all religions. I do admit it is a parody religion, and that it does have some extremes or lines that were crossed. The point being missed is why the religion was created. Pastafarianism is only meant to emphasize the equality of all religions. And I do not believe that Pastafarianism can be compared to racism or any other type of discrimination. Modern children are not indoctrinated into humanist theology. Every child is unique and every child has a right to believe in what they believe. It seems like some of the main issues with regards to this view [children being indoctrinated in humanist theology] is that the next generation of humans (the kids of today) have the freedom and right to question what past generations have been forcing upon them for years. The children of today are more open-minded and are striving to modernize the world society in hopes of uniting for a single cause. Every single person has the right to practice whatever religion they choose, and they should be able to take school courses with regards to whatever they religion they choose, but I do not believe that a religious viewpoint (that is faith based) should be forced upon students who do not wish to be taught as such.
Regards, Thomas Stockwell Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. Visit my homepage Oracle Studios[^]
That is certainly a very beautifully articulated set of moral principles, but it does beg a question, where did you acquire them from? From which social institutions did you learn that all religions are equal? That every child is unique? That the world needs to be 'modernized'? And who gets to define what is and what is not 'modern'? And how do those views not represent having a particular moral world view 'forced' upon you?
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That is certainly a very beautifully articulated set of moral principles, but it does beg a question, where did you acquire them from? From which social institutions did you learn that all religions are equal? That every child is unique? That the world needs to be 'modernized'? And who gets to define what is and what is not 'modern'? And how do those views not represent having a particular moral world view 'forced' upon you?
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That is certainly a very beautifully articulated set of moral principles, but it does beg a question, where did you acquire them from? From which social institutions did you learn that all religions are equal? That every child is unique? That the world needs to be 'modernized'? And who gets to define what is and what is not 'modern'? And how do those views not represent having a particular moral world view 'forced' upon you?
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This is getting slightly off the topic of viewpoints of Pastafarianism. As said in my initial post, I would rather that the idea my paper not be debated. I am just curious about the viewpoints of Pastafarianism.
Regards, Thomas Stockwell Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. Visit my homepage Oracle Studios[^]
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It may raise a question, but if definitely doesn't beg a question.
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Oakman wrote:
but if definitely doesn't beg a question.
It does for anyone curious about whether a 'government institution' has concerned itself with teaching that all religions are equal.
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Oakman wrote:
but if definitely doesn't beg a question.
It does for anyone curious about whether a 'government institution' has concerned itself with teaching that all religions are equal.
Please excuse my refusal to participate in the suicide of western civilization
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This is getting slightly off the topic of viewpoints of Pastafarianism. As said in my initial post, I would rather that the idea my paper not be debated. I am just curious about the viewpoints of Pastafarianism.
Regards, Thomas Stockwell Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. Visit my homepage Oracle Studios[^]
Well, fine, pastafarianism has absolutely nothing to do with religion. It is not a means of establishing the equality of religions so much as it is a means of establishing the supremacy of humanism. If all religions are equal, then some other more binding means of social organization must exist to ensure that relgions are, in fact, equal and remain so. Gee, I wonder what it might be?
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Well, fine, pastafarianism has absolutely nothing to do with religion. It is not a means of establishing the equality of religions so much as it is a means of establishing the supremacy of humanism. If all religions are equal, then some other more binding means of social organization must exist to ensure that relgions are, in fact, equal and remain so. Gee, I wonder what it might be?
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion
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Just learn how to use the language and stop trying to weasle out of it
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Fortunantly for me, my wife has a degree in English and she says you're wrong, but concedes that the distinction is somewhat subjective.
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion
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Thomas Stockwell wrote:
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion
And let me guess, they're all equal. On the other hand, if our opinions are all equal, how can we all be unique? Quite the quandary.
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Thomas Stockwell wrote:
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion
And let me guess, they're all equal. On the other hand, if our opinions are all equal, how can we all be unique? Quite the quandary.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
And let me guess, they're all equal.
Stop putting words in his mouth. If you're going to argue with him (and basically I agree with a lot of what you are saying) then argue with him not some strawman cause refuting what he's actually saying is harder.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
And let me guess, they're all equal.
Stop putting words in his mouth. If you're going to argue with him (and basically I agree with a lot of what you are saying) then argue with him not some strawman cause refuting what he's actually saying is harder.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Fortunantly for me, my wife has a degree in English and she says you're wrong, but concedes that the distinction is somewhat subjective.
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Might want to send your wife here: To beg the question does not mean "to raise the question." (e.g. "It begs the question, why is he so dumb?") This is a common error of usage made by those who mistake the word "question" in the phrase to refer to a literal question. Sadly, the error has grown more and more common with time, such that even journalists, advertisers, and major mass media entities have fallen prey to "BTQ Abuse." To be fair the New Oxford Dictionary of English, says the meaning that you think it has acquired is “widely accepted in modern standard English”. I wouldn’t go so far myself. Nor would most dictionaries. Because of possible confusion over what you actually mean, and inevitable condemnation from people who have the education to know what it means, this new definition is better avoided altogether or left outside to play with "ain't" and "for sure."
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