Who else saw the "Birth of Israel" on TV on Sunday? (BBC)
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So you are from Israel. OK, I guesss there is little point discussing this with you.
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fat_boy wrote:
So you are from Israel. OK, I guesss there is little point discussing this with you.
I guess that's better than being forced to defend yourself when you have been caught stretching the truth.
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fat_boy wrote:
Did what the Jews suffered at the hands of the Nazis give them the right to act like this against Palestnians?
No, it's fascinating to consider a group who should know what it means to be persecuted, yet so quick to put the boot in when they are the ones in power.
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Christian Graus wrote:
No, it's fascinating to consider a group who should know what it means to be persecuted, yet so quick to put the boot in when they are the ones in power.
Many of the Jews involved in the fight to carve out a homeland were either ex-members of the British Armed Forces or partisans who fought against the NAZIs in eastern Europe. By training and experience, they knew how to insure that the boot was not planted on their necks as it had been in Germany.
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dharani wrote:
Whats the real number then ?
6 million is the oft quoted figure. The borders of ISrael were well defined. Then after the war Israel didnt return the land, thus doubling its size. There are still UN resoloutions relating to this and demaning its reinstatement.
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Well, it's still fact that while jewish people were merely tolerated and hated around Europe they actually had no issues while living in the arab world for a long time (the arabs just taxed everyone that wasn't muslim). Unfortunately oppressed people without the power or organization to have a real army will fight back the only way they can, guerilla war or what we call today terrorism. It's nothing new, the Israelis did it against the Brits and Palestinians, that Palestinians (or whoever feels like killing themselves out of the muslim nuts out there) do it against the Israelis. Endless cycle that will keep going and probably escalate, it's life and no war on terror will ever stop it, be it terrorism or guerilla or whatever politics calls it. And yes, power makes men do strange things. The Israelis didn't do an innocent takeover, not when they (whoever was in charge) felt God had given them the right to the land and the infidels had to be thrown out, it's something human and being victims of the worst genocide in history would have only increased to religious nuts' determination to get the land at any cost. It's the exact same thing with Arab nuts now, the more you hit them the more they hate you. It's actually a shame that now after Israel is actually trying to make things sort of work there will still have to be a couple of generations before the other side will change, that is if something really bad doesn't make Israel switch back to actually acting instead of just small reactions. But it's same as always, indoctrination, history at the control of the masters, hunger for power, hate, all that makes us human :laugh:
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enlighten me then, where did this mosque massacre took place, and when? such a thing would have surely had some sort of reference on the internet? (unless offcourse you refer to the goldstein massacre, which is basiclly accusing israel for the acts of a lone lunatic who was put down the rabid dog he was) base your claims on facts everyone can see and read (your best source would probably be to find the program on one of the video sharing sites, it's a 10 year old program so it must be out there somewhere)
randprin wrote:
enlighten me then, where did this mosque massacre took place
I dont recall.
randprin wrote:
base your claims on facts everyone can see
Why do you think I heade this post "Who else saw the 'Birth of Israel' on TV". Its clearly an invitation to those who did to take part. Since you didnt, then dont presume to deny what was stated in the program.
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fat_boy wrote:
The guilt of one does not absolve the other. This was the point of my question.
And his, I believe
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fat_boy wrote:
So you are from Israel. OK, I guesss there is little point discussing this with you.
I guess that's better than being forced to defend yourself when you have been caught stretching the truth.
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Oakman wrote:
I guess that's better than being forced to defend yourself when you have been caught stretching the truth.
If you didnt watch the program, which I am assuing you didnt, then you have no basis on which to refute the statements made in the film as having been made.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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fat_racist is just that: a racist and an unreconstituted anti-semite who rails against us at every opportunity. It won't matter what facts you present to refute what he thinks (rarely backed with solid fact) he is set in his ways and won't change. I prefer to pity him his destructive and narrow minded ways.
Oh dear, did I offend you by posting about Israel again? Really, you level of bias is quite extraordinary. I am no anti-semite. What I am snti is the 'they have suffered so much let them have their way' attitude. Fact is Jews, despite their suffering, are not angels, and its about time the world stopped treading on egg shells every time their name is mentioned! BTW, ISraeli masacres, specifically the one mentioned in the program: http://www.soundofegypt.com/palestinian/adult/massacres.htm#DAHMASH[^] Cute isnt it, tell me you dont condemn that kind of savegery despite their religion?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Christian Graus wrote:
But historically, they have certainly done worse, perhaps before they had to worry about negative press, or under different leadership ?
Christian, can you name another modern country that, since WWII had war declared against it, won the war and occupied great swaths of the land used to attack it that gave the land back in order to create peace between it and its erstwhile neighbors?
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Oakman wrote:
can you name another modern country that, since WWII had war declared against it, won the war and occupied great swaths of the land used to attack it that gave the land back in order to create peace between it and its erstwhile neighbors
The US? UK? NATO?
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fat_boy wrote:
Then after the war Israel didnt return the land
So Gaza is still occupied territory? The Golan Heights? Southern Lebanon?
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Oakman wrote:
I guess that's better than being forced to defend yourself when you have been caught stretching the truth.
If you didnt watch the program, which I am assuing you didnt, then you have no basis on which to refute the statements made in the film as having been made.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
If you didnt watch the program, which I am assuing you didnt, then you have no basis on which to refute the statements made in the film as having been made.
That's not quite the same as saying that he didn't proving you were lying, now is it? Why should I believe you over him? Because of your reputation for always telling the truth? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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So you dont know the difference between a few acres and a few thousand square miles?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Oakman wrote:
can you name another modern country that, since WWII had war declared against it, won the war and occupied great swaths of the land used to attack it that gave the land back in order to create peace between it and its erstwhile neighbors
The US? UK? NATO?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
The US?
who declared war against the US? and when?
fat_boy wrote:
UK?
what war did GB had since WW2? israel wasn't a war, india wasn't a war, folkland isles were brit territory and were reoccupied by the brits.
fat_boy wrote:
NATO?
hmm, an interesting country?...
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fat_boy wrote:
If you didnt watch the program, which I am assuing you didnt, then you have no basis on which to refute the statements made in the film as having been made.
That's not quite the same as saying that he didn't proving you were lying, now is it? Why should I believe you over him? Because of your reputation for always telling the truth? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Trollslayer wrote:
How many wrongs make a right? Arial Sharon bombed the King David hotel killing many civilians and called others terrorists. Hamas attacks Israel so Israel shoots back hitting bystanders...
i honestly don't get where you get your facts from?! ariel sharon in the king david hotel bombing?! not according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing[^] and btw, when Hamas launches rockets on a civilian city, israel usually takes no action against those who orchestrate the rocket launching, who take great pains to hide behind woman and children.
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fat_boy wrote:
The US?
who declared war against the US? and when?
fat_boy wrote:
UK?
what war did GB had since WW2? israel wasn't a war, india wasn't a war, folkland isles were brit territory and were reoccupied by the brits.
fat_boy wrote:
NATO?
hmm, an interesting country?...
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Oh dear, did I offend you by posting about Israel again? Really, you level of bias is quite extraordinary. I am no anti-semite. What I am snti is the 'they have suffered so much let them have their way' attitude. Fact is Jews, despite their suffering, are not angels, and its about time the world stopped treading on egg shells every time their name is mentioned! BTW, ISraeli masacres, specifically the one mentioned in the program: http://www.soundofegypt.com/palestinian/adult/massacres.htm#DAHMASH[^] Cute isnt it, tell me you dont condemn that kind of savegery despite their religion?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
a most credible site i have to say, do you have any Respectable source? (one written by a non biased party) really, i don't claim israel is all sweet and harmless, but you digging up the hate mongering sites as credible sources for your views really doesn't show you to be either credible or reliable source of information.
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Oh dear, did I offend you by posting about Israel again? Really, you level of bias is quite extraordinary. I am no anti-semite. What I am snti is the 'they have suffered so much let them have their way' attitude. Fact is Jews, despite their suffering, are not angels, and its about time the world stopped treading on egg shells every time their name is mentioned! BTW, ISraeli masacres, specifically the one mentioned in the program: http://www.soundofegypt.com/palestinian/adult/massacres.htm#DAHMASH[^] Cute isnt it, tell me you dont condemn that kind of savegery despite their religion?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
I'm beyond being offended by you since I now expect it. I am, however, dissapointed at the frequncy with which you make posts where you appear to revel in painting Israel as the villain of the piece. And I have to agree, we are no angels but, just once, I'd like to see you make a post about the hundreds of rocket attacks that go unanswered or the number of palestinians given treatment in Israeli hospitals, free, or how about posting about all the suicide attacks that decimate families that just want to live in peace? Or how about you condemn the constant stream of anti-semitic bile spewed to palestininian children in school? Yes, I'm sure we made mistakes and I'm sure we'll make more but we do our damndest not to kill innocents and we do our best to try and make peace with people that would rather we just ceased to exist.
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randprin wrote:
israel usually takes no action against those who orchestrate the rocket launching
So your invasion of Lebanon last year was staged was it?
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fat_boy wrote:
So your invasion of Lebanon last year was staged was it?
you mean, the invasion that started after hezbullah launched a raid across the israel lebanon border to kidnap 2 soldiers from the israeli side of the border? i agree this was a mistake, sadly israel did not react as an arab nation would have (IE, carpet bomb south lebanon flat, and explain that unless the soldiers were produced, alive and well, at the border the following morning, the rest of the country will be a parking lot by noon) but instead took it's soldiers in to minimize as much as possible civilian casualties from the lebanon side (including giving up the element of surprise on quite a few fronts by dropping warning notes to the villagers living in the area to evacuate before the army arrived). really, stop while you have a shred of dignity left, you just keep digging yourself into the "foaming at the mouth hating israel no matter what" corner.
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How about the problem involves two sides with one surrounded by a legion of countries that would like to see Israel destroyed? The problem is a political one, and the politicians representing the Palestinians are less politicians than they are terrorists.
I'd have said the problem is that Israel is propped up by US support and thus able to invade the land, take it by force and hold it because of the support they get from the US, militarily and financially
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )