Calling for mr. John Simmons
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It was like the Top-10 list from David Letterman (only I couldn't come up with ten things). But since you want to make it a serious political discussion... First, I don't know the minds of the men that decided to develop/use nuclear weapons, and you certainly can' blame anyone other than those men for that action. If you really sit down and analyze it, whoever developed the tech first was bound to use it. I suppose it came down to a matter of either was us doing it, or the Japanese/Nazis doing it. Which would you have preferred? (And don't think for even half a second that the Nazis would have stopped with just two weapons.) Lastly, it looks like the whole world learned a very scary lesson that day, and nukes haven't been used since. The fact that the US is the first and only country to use nuclear weapons is irrelevant to this discussion. Now, presented with the admittedly skewed news media reports, and mixed in with a jaundiced view of military intelligence reports, here's what we think we know. 1) Iran is actively supplying insurgents in Iraq with weapons, training, and (covertly) manpower. This is being done in an attempt to keep Iraq destabilized. 2) Iran is actively seeking nuclear technology. The goal of thousands of centrifuges is NOT for development of nuclear fuel for reactors, but is a blatant attempt to develop nuclear weapons. 3) Given Iran's disdain for all things U.S. and Israeli, you can probably understand the trepidation most of the rest of the world has expressed with regards to Iran's nuclear ambitions. It doesn't take a high-school graduate to figure Iran is up to no good with regards to its nuclear energy program. 4) I personally think the sanctions are pointless. It hasn't stopped Iran's search for nuclear weapon technology. 5) I personally think the US government isn't trying hard enough to avoid armed conflict with Iran. 6) I personally think that the Iraq war was a bad idea because the intel claiming the presence of "weapons of mass destruction" were too vague, and almost impossible to verify. 7) I personally think that the US should stop meddling in the affairs other countries (or at least be more selective about where they meddle and when). It's obvious to me that the Middle East - as a whole - is not interested in working out their regional differences. Y'all are acting like a bunch of third graders fighting over a swing on the playground. 8) VB sucks and I actually pity anyone forced to code in it. However, if they refuse to walk into the ligh
Now see, Mr Simmons, nothing *requires* you to be an asshat. That post was reasonable -- though it still would have been out of place as a "response" to what appears, from your own effort to catch the audience up[^], to have been Mr Mosavi's original post.
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I can't get too complicated - I have a foreign fan base to think of whose first language isn't English. Besides, I knew you'd have problems trying figure out what I meant if I used too many big words. Looks like I didn't try hard enough to counter the "Ilion Effect". I'll say this again - it was humor. And in case you didn't already know, humor of any kind is bound to piss at least one person off. I don't know why *you're* the one it pissed off, but Mother Nature is funny that way. In any case, I'm not here to talk to you.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
It wasn't idiotic. It was a comment on the absurdity that defines the Middle East.
After reading *your own* modest effort to catch the audience up[^], I must marvel, once again, at what an uncomplicated ass you are. I really do think you ought to look into changing your sobriquet from "John Simmons / Outlaw Programmer" to something more appropriate. A modest suggestion: "John Simmons / AssHat Programmer" (it even sounds somewhat like your current sobriquet, and it more closely reflects reality ... two plusses!) As happens so often to be the case, you own words are oddly appropriate to the situation:
"You've made your point - you're a puerile little penile gland with the cerebral activity of a grain of sand. Stop your bullsh*t and let us be hypocrites in peace. If you haven't figured it out yet, we don't give a redneck dick slap about your opinions of CP or its users. So, go back to your GameBoy and leave the grown-ups alone." -- someone who surely knows whereof he speaks.
Is AssHat the next version of Linux?
Broken Bokken You can't carry out a ninja-style assasination dressed as an astronaut. It's the luminous fabric; too visible. - Tripod http://www.brokenbokken.com
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Goodness, these withering assaults of yours are certainly too much for me. Where do you get them from, you must have a vast repository. Consequently, you'll forgive me for moving on and interacting with someone more, how you say, "intelligent".
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Is AssHat the next version of Linux?
Broken Bokken You can't carry out a ninja-style assasination dressed as an astronaut. It's the luminous fabric; too visible. - Tripod http://www.brokenbokken.com
Josh Christensen wrote:
Is AssHat the next version of Linux?
Can't rule that out; Marketing guys, and all. But, considering the context (reference to a rabid VB hater), it surely ought to be the code name for the new version of C++ ... which would give "AssHat Programmer" three plusses!
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Is AssHat the next version of Linux?
Broken Bokken You can't carry out a ninja-style assasination dressed as an astronaut. It's the luminous fabric; too visible. - Tripod http://www.brokenbokken.com
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I'm sorry if I didn't get the funny part which I think is hidden behind a lot of hard facts. For the political parts, I can't help. I'm afraid to answer. Most of what I see here is to say some Iranian or some Muslim did something bad. What does it proves? that I am bad? That all Iranian are bad? That American or non Muslims are all good? Should I or you answer for what the government are doing? If they are not wise enough to be friends, shouldn't I and you be? You know John, the difference between me and you starts from where on the earth I was born and where you did. Here's why I am a bit angry when I here such things rather than taking it funny: Maybe out of luck or maybe for some good reasons that I don't know, you've been born in US. What would you do if you where in Iran? Put yourself in my shoes. I'm baned from buying the stuff the whole world creates, I am baned from even going into some websites that find out where's my IP from, I am baned to work for a company outside of this country, etc. Wouldn't you be nervous in this situation? I'm not even talking about what's going on inside. These are an everyday experience for us. I'm just trying to ignore them, but when someone puts his finger exactly on the pain, I get angry. About the nuclear bomb, I'm sorry. As I stated in another post, I was too angry and not thinking enough.
// "In the end it's a little boy expressing himself." Yanni while (I_am_alive)
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I'm sorry if I didn't get the funny part which I think is hidden behind a lot of hard facts.
How in the world am I supposed to know the "hard facts"? All the info the American people get is filtered through inane news stories from federally controlled news puppets spouting government-approved drivel that has been so white-washed as to remove any resemblance of real and timely information. I was just providing a little political humor.
Hamed Mosavi wrote:
Maybe out of luck or maybe for some good reasons that I don't know, you've been born in US.
Actually, I was born in the exact center of the Atlantic ocean, and not knowing any better, I started swimming west. The rest is history.
Hamed Mosavi wrote:
What would you do if you where in Iran?
I'd probably be ferrying weapons to Iraq.
Hamed Mosavi wrote:
Put yourself in my shoes. I'm baned from buying the stuff the whole world creates, I am baned from even going into some websites that find out where's my IP from, I am baned to work for a company outside of this country, etc.
Well, if you don't like your lot in life, move! All of your borders are apparently very porous, so it shouldn't be hard to get out of the country and take up residence somewhere else.
Hamed Mosavi wrote:
Wouldn't you be nervous in this situation? I'm not even talking about what's going on inside. These are an everyday experience for us.
When the people are afraid of the government, there is tyranny. When the government is afraid of the people, there is liberty. You don't have liberty. It's your right and responsibility to change the situation. The problem is that nobody's ever told you that.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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Actually, the Iranian guy started a thread about compilation errors and then Simmons jumped on it with gusto. The Iranian guy asked him to move it here. Frankly, I don't care who started it. Simmons was rather insulting as is now quite evident.
73Zeppelin wrote:
Actually, the Iranian guy started a thread about compilation errors and then Simmons jumped on it with gusto.
I wouldn't call it gusto, and for the record, I invited him to move the discussion to the soapbox because he turned what I posted into a serious political discussion.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Now see, Mr Simmons, nothing *requires* you to be an asshat. That post was reasonable -- though it still would have been out of place as a "response" to what appears, from your own effort to catch the audience up[^], to have been Mr Mosavi's original post.
I was catching people up because I knew the CP Thought Police would have my original top-7 list deleted. I didn't post anything after that because subsequent messages were directly related to getting the discussion moved to the soapbox.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Hamed Mosavi wrote:
I'm sorry if I didn't get the funny part which I think is hidden behind a lot of hard facts.
How in the world am I supposed to know the "hard facts"? All the info the American people get is filtered through inane news stories from federally controlled news puppets spouting government-approved drivel that has been so white-washed as to remove any resemblance of real and timely information. I was just providing a little political humor.
Hamed Mosavi wrote:
Maybe out of luck or maybe for some good reasons that I don't know, you've been born in US.
Actually, I was born in the exact center of the Atlantic ocean, and not knowing any better, I started swimming west. The rest is history.
Hamed Mosavi wrote:
What would you do if you where in Iran?
I'd probably be ferrying weapons to Iraq.
Hamed Mosavi wrote:
Put yourself in my shoes. I'm baned from buying the stuff the whole world creates, I am baned from even going into some websites that find out where's my IP from, I am baned to work for a company outside of this country, etc.
Well, if you don't like your lot in life, move! All of your borders are apparently very porous, so it shouldn't be hard to get out of the country and take up residence somewhere else.
Hamed Mosavi wrote:
Wouldn't you be nervous in this situation? I'm not even talking about what's going on inside. These are an everyday experience for us.
When the people are afraid of the government, there is tyranny. When the government is afraid of the people, there is liberty. You don't have liberty. It's your right and responsibility to change the situation. The problem is that nobody's ever told you that.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
if you don't like your lot in life, move!
With the image the world has from an Iranian in mind, I think I'll not be welcomed :-D
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I'd probably be ferrying weapons to Iraq.
With this talent, you must be making good deal of money in US then.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Actually, I was born in the exact center of the Atlantic ocean, and not knowing any better, I started swimming west.
Strange, sorry but that really looks like a fish man.
// "In the end it's a little boy expressing himself." Yanni while (I_am_alive)
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cout<<"I love to do more than just programming.";
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
if you don't like your lot in life, move!
With the image the world has from an Iranian in mind, I think I'll not be welcomed :-D
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I'd probably be ferrying weapons to Iraq.
With this talent, you must be making good deal of money in US then.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Actually, I was born in the exact center of the Atlantic ocean, and not knowing any better, I started swimming west.
Strange, sorry but that really looks like a fish man.
// "In the end it's a little boy expressing himself." Yanni while (I_am_alive)
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cout<<"I love to do more than just programming.";
}modified on Wednesday, May 7, 2008 1:41 PM
Hamed Mosavi wrote:
With the image the world has from an Iranian in mind, I think I'll not be welcomed
Europe doesn't seem to be picky these days.
CP Offenders: Over 50 offenders and growing! Current rant: "Me thinks CP needs an application process!" http://craptasticnation.blogspot.com/[^]
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73Zeppelin wrote:
Actually, the Iranian guy started a thread about compilation errors and then Simmons jumped on it with gusto.
I wouldn't call it gusto, and for the record, I invited him to move the discussion to the soapbox because he turned what I posted into a serious political discussion.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I wouldn't call it gusto, and for the record, I invited him to move the discussion to the soapbox because he turned what I posted into a serious political discussion.
Well, whatever. It was more suited to this messageboard than the lounge. At least it's been kept civil and intelligent unlike the drivel that's been spilled here lately.
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I was catching people up because I knew the CP Thought Police would have my original top-7 list deleted. I didn't post anything after that because subsequent messages were directly related to getting the discussion moved to the soapbox.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001Did I fault you for catching people up? I faulted you ... based on *your own* version of events ... for the "joke" itself in the particular context it was made (which context I know entirely from your effort to catch people up). And then here (a post or two up the line) I commented on your non-joke assessment of the world and politics and the ME, using it as evidence that nothing requires you to be an ass (while also observing that the reasonable post would still have been out of place as a "response" to Mr Mosavi's post) Human beings are free agents: we do what we do because we choose to do it.
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Hamed Mosavi wrote:
With the image the world has from an Iranian in mind, I think I'll not be welcomed
Europe doesn't seem to be picky these days.
CP Offenders: Over 50 offenders and growing! Current rant: "Me thinks CP needs an application process!" http://craptasticnation.blogspot.com/[^]
I don't think so. I have two friends, one in England and the other in Los Angeles. The man in US is much happier. Maybe the zone of living is a matter.
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Hamed Mosavi wrote:
With the image the world has from an Iranian in mind, I think I'll not be welcomed
Europe doesn't seem to be picky these days.
CP Offenders: Over 50 offenders and growing! Current rant: "Me thinks CP needs an application process!" http://craptasticnation.blogspot.com/[^]
Especially France.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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Hamed Mosavi wrote:
I'm afraid to talk about this. A prisoner can't do much from inside the prison.
That's why you (as well as others in Iran and China and other coutries in the world where they put people in prisons because of what they think and write ) need to go down in the street in MASSES and fight for your OWN freedom. As an example, if I go on the street with a sign saying "Stephen Harper is an asshole" (which he is BTW), I will get strange looks from people, but I will not get arrested; try to do that in Iran, or China (or some other countries... ), if you get arrested for your political opinions, then your country is wrong. It's not ours to give, but yours to win. Like the great philosophers (The Beasty Boys) of our time says : "You need to fight for your right to party!" another BTW, try to get the movie "Persepolis" (probably banned in Iran), it's a very good animation based on a cartoon by Marjane Satrapi. 40 years ago, there was the "Mai '68" uprising in Europe and the North Ameria (to a lesser extent) and one of the motto was : "Il est interdit d'interdir" which translate to "It's forbidden to forbid". Try to apply this to your own life.
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Maximilien wrote:
That's why you (as well as others in Iran and China and other coutries in the world where they put people in prisons because of what they think and write ) need to go down in the street in MASSES and fight for your OWN freedom.
Mmm... Not sure if that works. I mean, there can be a revolution and civil war, but it does not assure you that the next ones, for the "sake of the republic", will actually restore freedom. Consider the English Civil war with Cromwell, or the French Revolution and Robespierre, or the Chinese Revolution and Mao Zedong. Violence generates violence. A revolution will only lead to further dead. After so many deads the people will only want peace, whether they are free or not. I've come to think of this many times in the past, as my country suffered exactly the same. Ten years ago, still in the dictatorship, we were always thinking on a revolution. But then again, we were able to make it to a (yet weak) democratic state without violence. Given those experiences, I think that it is a (rather frustrating) slow change. First, the people must be convinced (in the end, the law is for the people; if the people wants a theocratic state, well, there's nothing else to do). Second, the "oposition" must never use violence and go through the reasoning path. They must claim for stronger institutions. Small changes, one by one, until the current state cannot hold and change is needed. That's my opinion, at least.
Stupidity is an International Association - Enrique Jardiel Poncela
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I don't think so. I have two friends, one in England and the other in Los Angeles. The man in US is much happier. Maybe the zone of living is a matter.
// "In the end it's a little boy expressing himself." Yanni while (I_am_alive)
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cout<<"I love to do more than just programming.";
}Hamed Mosavi wrote:
Maybe the zone of living is a matter.
I think the difference (other than the very important contribution to each situation by the two different individuals themselves) has a lot to do with "national character." Contrary to what "liberal" (i.e. leftist) news outlets always present as fact about Americans, we are not racists and/or other types or closed-minded reactionary bigots. We honestly do tend to see those with whom we interact as individuals first-and-foremost and as members of this or that group far down on the list. At any rate, the more "conservative" the American, the more the above assertion applies. Those of us who are leftists tend to be the opposite: seeing the person first-and-foremost as the local incarnation of some group.
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They kept it clean and then the guy from Iran started a thread in the Lounge.
CP Offenders: Over 50 offenders and growing! Current rant: "Me thinks CP needs an application process!" http://craptasticnation.blogspot.com/[^]
"the guy from Iran started a thread" ? You are calling for a ban on Iranian CPians? I thought you, of all people, would know what it is to be discriminated against. Oh, at least we Indians are not alone in your book - we now have the Iranians for company.
Cheers, Vikram.
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Maximilien wrote:
That's why you (as well as others in Iran and China and other coutries in the world where they put people in prisons because of what they think and write ) need to go down in the street in MASSES and fight for your OWN freedom.
Mmm... Not sure if that works. I mean, there can be a revolution and civil war, but it does not assure you that the next ones, for the "sake of the republic", will actually restore freedom. Consider the English Civil war with Cromwell, or the French Revolution and Robespierre, or the Chinese Revolution and Mao Zedong. Violence generates violence. A revolution will only lead to further dead. After so many deads the people will only want peace, whether they are free or not. I've come to think of this many times in the past, as my country suffered exactly the same. Ten years ago, still in the dictatorship, we were always thinking on a revolution. But then again, we were able to make it to a (yet weak) democratic state without violence. Given those experiences, I think that it is a (rather frustrating) slow change. First, the people must be convinced (in the end, the law is for the people; if the people wants a theocratic state, well, there's nothing else to do). Second, the "oposition" must never use violence and go through the reasoning path. They must claim for stronger institutions. Small changes, one by one, until the current state cannot hold and change is needed. That's my opinion, at least.
Stupidity is an International Association - Enrique Jardiel Poncela
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
Violence generates violence.
Well, no, *people* generate violence. And the reason revolutions almost always turn out bad (and frequently worse than what came before) isn't due to violence, necessarily. It's the rationales for the violence ... and the "acceptable" limits to the use of violence ... which largely determine the end-result. Even something as "irrational" and collective as a revolution or a war (or even mere mob-violence) has an internal logic to which it will conform.
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Hamed Mosavi wrote:
Maybe the zone of living is a matter.
I think the difference (other than the very important contribution to each situation by the two different individuals themselves) has a lot to do with "national character." Contrary to what "liberal" (i.e. leftist) news outlets always present as fact about Americans, we are not racists and/or other types or closed-minded reactionary bigots. We honestly do tend to see those with whom we interact as individuals first-and-foremost and as members of this or that group far down on the list. At any rate, the more "conservative" the American, the more the above assertion applies. Those of us who are leftists tend to be the opposite: seeing the person first-and-foremost as the local incarnation of some group.
